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Holocaust
Return of the Living Dead zombies
Aug 13 2011, 2:33 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 13 2011, 2:33 AM EDT
Okay, I know it is generally established that the slow, dumb, Romero style zombies are the ones that we will face but, what if the zombies are smart, need to be completely destroyed, and run fast like the ones from Return of the Living Dead? What would your tactics and plans be such as best disposable method, gathering supplies, and whether to keep on traveling or staying in base. If so what would your ideal fort be to use against these types of zeds and what weapons would you recommend using? Do you find this valuable?    
SovietPrince
SovietPrince
1. RE: Return of the Living Dead zombies
Aug 13 2011, 5:47 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 13 2011, 5:47 AM EDT
"Okay, I know it is generally established that the slow, dumb, Romero style zombies are the ones that we will face but, what if the zombies are smart, need to be completely destroyed, and run fast like the ones from Return of the Living Dead? What would your tactics and plans be such as best disposable method, gathering supplies, and whether to keep on traveling or staying in base. If so what would your ideal fort be to use against these types of zeds and what weapons would you recommend using?"
in such a situation i'd resort to sepukku
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John_234
John_234
2. RE: Return of the Living Dead zombies
Aug 13 2011, 5:49 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 13 2011, 5:49 AM EDT
Smart? I think trying to deal with them would be easier, really. So on top of just zombies banging at your door, you have the risk of someone getting their hands on a gun or molotov. Basically raider defense, except you can take fear-based stuff out of the question. Do you find this valuable?    

Holocaust
3. RE: Return of the Living Dead zombies
Aug 13 2011, 2:57 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 13 2011, 2:57 PM EDT
"Smart? I think trying to deal with them would be easier, really. So on top of just zombies banging at your door, you have the risk of someone getting their hands on a gun or molotov. Basically raider defense, except you can take fear-based stuff out of the question. "
If you have seen Return of the Living Dead you'll see that the zombies retain all memories of their former life and any body part that gets taken off still remains animate.
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SovietPrince
SovietPrince
4. RE: Return of the Living Dead zombies
Aug 13 2011, 5:28 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 13 2011, 5:28 PM EDT
"If you have seen Return of the Living Dead you'll see that the zombies retain all memories of their former life and any body part that gets taken off still remains animate."
Well, thats why its a movie.

Either way, the military would firebomb most of the hordes so it wouldn't be a problem.

^_^
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Carnack
Carnack
5. RE: Return of the Living Dead zombies
Aug 13 2011, 5:36 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 13 2011, 5:37 PM EDT
"Smart? I think trying to deal with them would be easier, really. So on top of just zombies banging at your door, you have the risk of someone getting their hands on a gun or molotov. Basically raider defense, except you can take fear-based stuff out of the question. "
Not that simple.

In ROTLD the zombies used the communications systems in a police car then an ambulance to call for backup.

IE Moar foodz.

Deception in other words. Which also includes ambush tactics and mental warfare (in the form of using your memories to nom your family and friends).
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SasquatchJim
SasquatchJim
6. RE: Return of the Living Dead zombies
Aug 13 2011, 7:09 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 13 2011, 7:09 PM EDT
Shoot them in the hip or knees. As tough as they are, they can't run if their legs don't work. Do you find this valuable?    
John_234
John_234
7. RE: Return of the Living Dead zombies
Aug 13 2011, 7:33 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 13 2011, 7:33 PM EDT
"Not that simple.

In ROTLD the zombies used the communications systems in a police car then an ambulance to call for backup.

IE Moar foodz.

Deception in other words. Which also includes ambush tactics and mental warfare (in the form of using your memories to nom your family and friends)."
Well what I meant is that normal fear based tactics like a flaming trench or a nasty fence don't work so well when they're... y'know, undead. So it's raider defense but even more challenging.
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thomas13mike
thomas13mike
8. RE: Return of the Living Dead zombies
Aug 14 2011, 2:29 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 14 2011, 2:29 AM EDT
"Shoot them in the hip or knees. As tough as they are, they can't run if their legs don't work."
I thought i was the only one that thought of that LOL... Buckshot will shatter some rotten bones...Aim for the legs can't run if the legs don't work... Finish them off later..
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SovietPrince
SovietPrince
9. RE: Return of the Living Dead zombies
Aug 14 2011, 6:35 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 14 2011, 6:35 AM EDT
"I thought i was the only one that thought of that LOL... Buckshot will shatter some rotten bones...Aim for the legs can't run if the legs don't work... Finish them off later.."
Shattering the pelivc bone would easily disable any zombie or human.

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SasquatchJim
SasquatchJim
10. RE: Return of the Living Dead zombies
Aug 14 2011, 2:15 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 14 2011, 2:15 PM EDT
I can't remember; burning them worked right? If so, do that after taking out their legs.
If not, get some big-ass nails and nail them to the ground.
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John_234
John_234
11. RE: Return of the Living Dead zombies
Aug 14 2011, 6:17 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 14 2011, 6:17 PM EDT
"I can't remember; burning them worked right? If so, do that after taking out their legs.
If not, get some big-ass nails and nail them to the ground."
Or, like Silent Hill, find a use for those damn swords and skewer them to the ground.
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Holocaust
12. RE: Return of the Living Dead zombies
Aug 15 2011, 1:56 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 15 2011, 1:56 AM EDT
Disabling their legs and rendering them immobile while their on the ground sounds like an effective way of dealing with them when their isn't too many zombies coming after you. Do you find this valuable?    
Toasterr
Toasterr
13. RE: Return of the Living Dead zombies
Aug 15 2011, 2:48 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 15 2011, 2:48 AM EDT
"Okay, I know it is generally established that the slow, dumb, Romero style zombies are the ones that we will face "

well i think youre wrong, the most scientifically plausible zombie scenario is more akin to 28 days later, sans the extremely fast onset
it will be a pathogen that causes the host to develop extreme hostility to others and is spread by bodily fluid
you can also assume they will have the same limitations, and the same strengths, that the average human being has, therefore they will be able to run, jump, climb and possibly use rudimentary melee weapons

you should plan to be ducked off somewhere hard to reach that wont draw the attention of the infected, you would want to block all windows on every floor to prevent light from giving away your position to infected and raiders alike
scouting/supply parties should be 1-4 people, keeping low and fast at night to use the cover of darkness to your advantage

as far as weapons? you want a rifle to deal with them at a distance so they cant get close enough to infect you, a pistol for if they do, and a good bowie or machete cant hurt, you would want 1-2 people with bows or crossbows, because silent kills are key, unlike shambler theory, if you discharge a firearm, the infected are all going to converge on your position....fast

this being said, even though runners are far more dangerous than shamblers, they do have more weaknesses, mainly their mortality, they are still human, although crazed, cold, fire, blood loss, bullets, and dismemberment are all effective methods of dispatchment

remember, if it can kill you, it can kill them too
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SovietPrince
SovietPrince
14. RE: Return of the Living Dead zombies
Aug 15 2011, 3:55 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 15 2011, 3:55 AM EDT
I would also like to point out that, in the realm of plausible zombie science,

theres the possibility that such a virus might simply eat away at the infected.

This would go to say something akin to rabies, which would allow the agressor response to be probable.

Now, here's the tricky part, and it REALLY determines how wide an array of defensive/offensive tactics you really have.

PAIN tolerances.

If they became our worst nightmares, corpses that dnt fear pain.. well, that's pretty damn traumatizing to say, shoot them in the heart and they KEEP coming. and of course everyone will start yelling "just aim for the head". Well, that would make things boring.

See, just like how we've done to our own kind, should they retain pain receptors and appropriate reactive instincts, one could hypothesize that virtually anything offensive to us would be the same to them.

But, its all fictional theory until I see pictures of NYC and LA being overrun.

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SovietPrince
SovietPrince
15. RE: Return of the Living Dead zombies
Aug 15 2011, 3:58 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 15 2011, 3:58 AM EDT
"Okay, I know it is generally established that the slow, dumb, Romero style zombies are the ones that we will face but, what if the zombies are smart, need to be completely destroyed, and run fast like the ones from Return of the Living Dead? What would your tactics and plans be such as best disposable method, gathering supplies, and whether to keep on traveling or staying in base. If so what would your ideal fort be to use against these types of zeds and what weapons would you recommend using?"
Now, reconsidering the OP, should a threat involving intelligent "zombies" that need to be completely destroyed.. well i don't really have a clue. I mean, if it really came down to it.. shredding a body apart with semi auto/full auto fire--everything from .22's to ak's to 12gauges-- if that didn't kill em, I'd pray that napalm rained from the sky.

I think its really just an inventive form of the undead thats enirely fictional. They would need to be synthetically engineered using Nano tehcnology several hundred years ahead of what we can do today. In that sense, we'd be fighting t-1000's instead of zombies.
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Holocaust
16. RE: Return of the Living Dead zombies
Aug 16 2011, 7:18 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 16 2011, 7:18 PM EDT
"Now, reconsidering the OP, should a threat involving intelligent "zombies" that need to be completely destroyed.. well i don't really have a clue. I mean, if it really came down to it.. shredding a body apart with semi auto/full auto fire--everything from .22's to ak's to 12gauges-- if that didn't kill em, I'd pray that napalm rained from the sky.

I think its really just an inventive form of the undead thats enirely fictional. They would need to be synthetically engineered using Nano tehcnology several hundred years ahead of what we can do today. In that sense, we'd be fighting t-1000's instead of zombies."
That was very informative especially the part about the Nano bots I guess this means technology would create the most deadly type of zombie their is and spread via bite or fluid due the bots small size.
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John_234
John_234
17. RE: Return of the Living Dead zombies
Aug 17 2011, 4:19 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 17 2011, 4:19 AM EDT
"That was very informative especially the part about the Nano bots I guess this means technology would create the most deadly type of zombie their is and spread via bite or fluid due the bots small size. "
I'm pretty sure nuclear warfare or Apple Computer Inc. is going to end the world first.
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SovietPrince
SovietPrince
18. RE: Return of the Living Dead zombies
Aug 17 2011, 4:22 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 17 2011, 4:22 AM EDT
"I'm pretty sure nuclear warfare or Apple Computer Inc. is going to end the world first."
Yes, this is the more Plausible outcome to humanity. We get too good for ourselves.

Allow technology to run our world.

We're still suceptible to outside conditions that entirely FRY electronics.
With the world so intetwined now, all it takes is one REAL big solar flare...
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Toasterr
Toasterr
19. RE: Return of the Living Dead zombies
Aug 17 2011, 10:43 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 17 2011, 10:43 AM EDT
"Yes, this is the more Plausible outcome to humanity. We get too good for ourselves.

Allow technology to run our world.

We're still suceptible to outside conditions that entirely FRY electronics.
With the world so intetwined now, all it takes is one REAL big solar flare..."
since 1965 the computing power of integrated circuits has increased 100,000x
by 2025 the average home computer will have the processing power of the human brain
i assume since the rate of electronic evolution is hundreds of thousands of times faster than biological evolution by roughly 2050 our robotic overlords will have eradicated us from the face of the planet

lets hope that solar flare is well timed
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