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toxic_shock	Replacing the rifle in my bug out bag with....? Aug 19 2011, 1:27 AM EDT Most of you know I keep a full sized rifle in my bug out bag. For a few reasons, I have decided to sell my bastardized SKS I keep in the bag. I want to replace it with a more combat friendly rifle and I am looking for input. I want a center-fire rifle that has detachable mags, is less than 45 inches long, and is reliable under poor conditions. The rifle must cost less than $700, and ammo and extra mags must be of average to low price. I have not decided if I will mount an optic to it or not, but I would like that option. By now its obvious that I am looking at an AK variant with chrome lined bore. But if its going to be an AK, which variant? And if not an AK, what should it be? Post reply Do you find this valuable? Keyword tags: ak bob bug out rifle sks
oldannyboy37	1. RE: Replacing the rifle in my bug out bag with....? Aug 19 2011, 1:46 AM EDT "Most of you know I keep a full sized rifle in my bug out bag. For a few reasons, I have decided to sell my bastardized SKS I keep in the bag. I want to replace it with a more combat friendly rifle and I am looking for input. I want a center-fire rifle that has detachable mags, is less than 45 inches long, and is reliable under poor conditions. The rifle must cost less than $700, and ammo and extra mags must be of average to low price. I have not decided if I will mount an optic to it or not, but I would like that option. By now its obvious that I am looking at an AK variant with chrome lined bore. But if its going to be an AK, which variant? And if not an AK, what should it be?" I have a Mak 90 that's pretty nice, you can get them for a little over $500 easy. You can check for quality on almost any AK so I am a little hesitant to give you a list of what to buy. My AK buyers guide has a guide to detect quality on almost any variant. Most variants have a side rail mount or are capable of accepting an ultimak rail. You might also consider an underfolder AK, those can get pretty compact. Is there anything other than a chrome lined barrel you're looking for? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
toxic_shock	2. RE: Replacing the rifle in my bug out bag with....? Aug 19 2011, 2:01 AM EDT I guess it doesn't have to have a chrome lined barrel. I am finding that mounting a scope on an AK without a side rail is tough. And it seems that the only ones that come with side rails are Romanian WASRs. But what is an ultimak rail? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
oldannyboy37	3. RE: Replacing the rifle in my bug out bag with....? Aug 19 2011, 2:03 AM EDT "I guess it doesn't have to have a chrome lined barrel. I am finding that mounting a scope on an AK without a side rail is tough. And it seems that the only ones that come with side rails are Romanian WASRs. But what is an ultimak rail?" The Ultimak is a forward mounted rail system that allows you to mount a red dot sight, you can even co-witness some with the iron sights. You can also get special rails like the Texas Weapon System Dogleg rail. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
toxic_shock	4. RE: Replacing the rifle in my bug out bag with....? Aug 19 2011, 2:10 AM EDT "The Ultimak is a forward mounted rail system that allows you to mount a red dot sight, you can even co-witness some with the iron sights. You can also get special rails like the Texas Weapon System Dogleg rail. " I want to be able to use the iron sights too if at all possible. I don't know about the utilimark, though. I'm looking at some pictures now, and I'm not a fan of the scout scope set up. The dogleg looks good, but then you lose your rear sight. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
oldannyboy37	5. RE: Replacing the rifle in my bug out bag with....? Aug 19 2011, 2:13 AM EDT "I want to be able to use the iron sights too if at all possible. I don't know about the utilimark, though. I'm looking at some pictures now, and I'm not a fan of the scout scope set up. The dogleg looks good, but then you lose your rear sight." I don't know how well it works but they do make a rear sight for the dogleg. There's a few other rails that allow for co-witness. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
toxic_shock	6. RE: Replacing the rifle in my bug out bag with....? Aug 19 2011, 2:19 AM EDT "I don't know how well it works but they do make a rear sight for the dogleg. " I'm seeing that now. Interesting. This opens up some new doors, I think. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
oldannyboy37	7. RE: Replacing the rifle in my bug out bag with....? Aug 19 2011, 2:22 AM EDT "I'm seeing that now. Interesting. This opens up some new doors, I think." If you care to watch it Sturmgewehr on youtube has a great review of the Dogleg rail system. I'm going to install an Ultimak rail on my AK but if I wanted to mount a variable power scope on my rifle I'd probably get the TWS dogleg rail system. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
LJ126	8. RE: Replacing the rifle in my bug out bag with....? Aug 19 2011, 2:50 AM EDT You could also get a Mini-14, which meets all of the criteria you've listed. CDNN sells them for about the best prices I've seen online (under $600), but shipping and FFL will raise the price up another $60-$80. Not sure how you feel about 'em, but it's an option. I dig 'em because they don't scream "military rifle" to the average person like an AR or AK does. However, if I was dead-set on an AK, I'd get an Arsenal SGL-21. They're a little more than $700 but you're hard pressed to find a nicer AK variant rifle. There are a lot of good, more affordable AK's, but the SGL is worth the extra expense if you can pull it. I'd also buy a bunch of Bulgarian magazines as well. That's my $0.02 on it, for what it's worth. I'm going the other direction though - I want a heavy barreled bolt action carbine chambered in a full-power cartridge, with a scope and an attractive laminated stock. Maybe later on down the road I'll get another chopper! =) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
2WheeledSpeed	9. RE: Replacing the rifle in my bug out bag with....? Aug 19 2011, 8:55 AM EDT Considered an AR15? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Sharpie41	10. RE: Replacing the rifle in my bug out bag with....? Aug 19 2011, 8:59 AM EDT Bastard, AK... What about the CZ 858? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Whybother08	11. RE: Replacing the rifle in my bug out bag with....? Aug 19 2011, 9:43 AM EDT I'd go with a good quality AK, like LJ said. Not one of those throw-away Century parts-kit guns if you have $700 to throw at it. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
oldannyboy37	12. RE: Replacing the rifle in my bug out bag with....? Aug 19 2011, 10:40 AM EDT "I'd go with a good quality AK, like LJ said. Not one of those throw-away Century parts-kit guns if you have $700 to throw at it." I'd normally agree, but if he quality checks a rifle before he buys it there's a chance of finding a pretty decent rifle for a good price. I've actually encountered a few Century guns that were awesome quality for the price. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
ItsMrManCub	13. RE: Replacing the rifle in my bug out bag with....? Aug 19 2011, 10:46 AM EDT Well Toxic you should look into a Saiga AK74. It will come in the sporter setup but you can change the furniture and have the look plus you can rest easy with the Made In Russia stamp on the side. The 5.45 round can be purchased online in a spam can with prices running just over 120$ for I wanna say 1020 rounds??? Don't hold me to that exact round count but its dang close to it. You can have all this for sub-700 bucks. Best of luck! Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
boater1217	14. RE: Replacing the rifle in my bug out bag with....? Aug 19 2011, 11:46 AM EDT "You could also get a Mini-14, which meets all of the criteria you've listed. CDNN sells them for about the best prices I've seen online (under $600), but shipping and FFL will raise the price up another $60-$80. Not sure how you feel about 'em, but it's an option. I dig 'em because they don't scream "military rifle" to the average person like an AR or AK does. However, if I was dead-set on an AK, I'd get an Arsenal SGL-21. They're a little more than $700 but you're hard pressed to find a nicer AK variant rifle. There are a lot of good, more affordable AK's, but the SGL is worth the extra expense if you can pull it. I'd also buy a bunch of Bulgarian magazines as well. That's my $0.02 on it, for what it's worth. I'm going the other direction though - I want a heavy barreled bolt action carbine chambered in a full-power cartridge, with a scope and an attractive laminated stock. Maybe later on down the road I'll get another chopper! =)" I went with a Remington 700 SPS with a 20" bull barrel in .308 for my long range weapon. Bud's has them resonable. Used to be able to pickup mini 14s cheap in pawn shops, but I haven't seen any in awhile. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Unassigned	15. RE: Replacing the rifle in my bug out bag with....? Aug 19 2011, 1:03 PM EDT If I was in your shoes, these would be my top choices: Custom AR-15 - Buy a fledgling company, mil-spec lower for $60-80. - Then buy this: http://www.palmettostatearmory.com/2252.php Boom... KISS Mil-spec AR for under $600 (not including shipping and FFL transfer of lower). Convert a Saiga Buy a SGL Remington 700 - Eventually purchase the box magazine conversio kit. Contact Legion Arms and begin building yourself a WASR-10 the way that Century Arms SHOULD be doing it. Suck it up, save a little more money and purchase a PTR-91 or higher quality AR/AK. I personally hate Mini-14's, but I'm not going to flame them. Some people love them, but they are by no means a battle rifle or heavy use rifle. Consider what you will be using your rifle for and make your choice based on that. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
John_234	16. RE: Replacing the rifle in my bug out bag with....? Aug 19 2011, 1:04 PM EDT To be honest, the chrome lined bore doesn't do too much, you're still going to have to clean out the thing. Speaking of ARs, ever looked at the SU-16s? Very compact, reliable option for a backpack rifle that'll still reach out and hit stuff. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
toxic_shock	17. RE: Replacing the rifle in my bug out bag with....? Aug 20 2011, 5:48 PM EDT The big thing about this gun is that it needs to be reliable. Accuracy can take a back seat here. The gun doesn't need to be compact, really, because my case is designed to carry a full length rifle. Weight is an issue, since this gun may need to be carried long distances on foot. Which is why I have ruled out heavy guns and guns that require large round which, in turn are heavy. I have considered an AR, but I see quite a few people with budget ARs they built fiddling with them at the range. The gun must be reliable if its going to be used in less than ideal conditions. Which is also why I would prefer a chromed bore. Everyone's heard the tales of early M16s failing because of the combination of conditions and the lack of a chromed barrel. I'm not crazy about buying online, so I would quality check the rifle anyway. I don't mind picking though a pile of centurys. I'm not really crazy about the mini-14 either, but it hasn't been ruled out. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
oldannyboy37	18. RE: Replacing the rifle in my bug out bag with....? Aug 20 2011, 6:29 PM EDT If weight of ammo is a big factor maybe you should look at an AK74. The 7.62x39 is somewhat heavy (Speaking from personal experience). The 5.45x39 is a bit lighter (Not from personal experience but from pretty much anything I've read). Century and Interarms both make cheaper 74 variants that my quality test will work on. The only problem with cheaper 74s is that some of them key-hole. You can buy ammo for $.17 or less a round if you shop around enough. The mags cost a little more than 47 mags but not to terribly much more. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
toxic_shock	19. RE: Replacing the rifle in my bug out bag with....? Aug 20 2011, 7:28 PM EDT I was carrying 60 rounds of 7.62x39 with the sks and it wasn't unbearable. I meant heavy ass ammo like .308. I am intrigued with the 74, but I don't want to end up with a rifle that keyholes. And that is something you can't really quality check for. Went to Gander just now, and saw 2 ARs that were intriguing. The Bushmaster AR15 Carbon was intriguing, till I read what I suspected of a plastic-received carbine: they crack. The other was a S&W M&P Sport in .223. It appears to be a basic AR without the forward assist, chrome-lined barrel and dust cover. But it has a price of $599. Anyone have anything to say about these? Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?

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