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hollickrichard
hollickrichard
lightening the load
Sep 1 2011, 7:23 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 1 2011, 7:23 AM EDT
could we talk about those little multi function things that could make all the difference to the weight of the bug out bag for those of us not as fit as maybe we should be i would like to put forward first on my list disposable lighters with little led lights built in I know they are not worth much in the long run but as a weight saver I dont think they can be beaten. What do you think and do you have anything to add to the list. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
Xiod
Xiod
1. RE: lightening the load
Sep 1 2011, 9:20 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 1 2011, 9:23 AM EDT
I'd put in small fire lighters, they're pre packaged white block which are handy to start a fire, a combat knife (if you can't get that, a sharpened butchers knife would be the next best thing), then maybe three or four days of tinned food and water and a tin opener, that might be a bit heavy.. But I'm only a n00b.. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
Xiod
Xiod
2. RE: lightening the load
Sep 1 2011, 9:21 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 1 2011, 9:23 AM EDT
Double post? what? How did I manage that? Do you find this valuable?    
hollickrichard
hollickrichard
3. RE: lightening the load
Sep 1 2011, 7:17 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 1 2011, 7:17 PM EDT
"Double post? what? How did I manage that?"
I did it because I am daft and didnt know how to fix it
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CDSm101-800s
CDSm101-800s
4. RE: lightening the load
Sep 18 2011, 10:29 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 18 2011, 10:29 PM EDT
"could we talk about those little multi function things that could make all the difference to the weight of the bug out bag for those of us not as fit as maybe we should be i would like to put forward first on my list disposable lighters with little led lights built in I know they are not worth much in the long run but as a weight saver I dont think they can be beaten. What do you think and do you have anything to add to the list."
I would not pick anything that runs on LEDs and has a built in battery, unless your planning to check the battery's power lvl often. There are solar powered LEDs which you can get fairly cheap, and they require no batteries at all.

Plastic bags - whether garbage bags or ziplock.. Billion uses, limited only to your ability to think.

Military Poncho - either used as a raincape, shelter half or groundsheet. Also green and helps you blend in while sleeping. Older ones do not breath well tho, but that can be good when in cooler weather.

A good mulit-tool ex: a Leatherman. Kinda like a swiss army knife with more options..
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renet76
renet76
5. RE: lightening the load
Sep 19 2011, 12:22 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 19 2011, 12:23 AM EDT
"I'd put in small fire lighters, they're pre packaged white block which are handy to start a fire, a combat knife (if you can't get that, a sharpened butchers knife would be the next best thing), then maybe three or four days of tinned food and water and a tin opener, that might be a bit heavy.. But I'm only a n00b.."
actually the firelighters are not to bad.
One thing i did to make an emergency fire starter was.

Break up firelighters blocks into small pieces then grag a box of matches and grind the the flammable compound off the end of them what ever its called and mix that with the bits of fire lighter.

Then package the mix into small zip lock bags so one bag per fire.
I have them for times when its life or death if you don't get a fire going quickly.
All you have to do is make a small hole in the bag and hit it with a spark and in a few minutes you have a nice fire going no matter what the weather is like
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TurnAndBurn
TurnAndBurn
6. RE: lightening the load
Sep 19 2011, 12:27 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 19 2011, 12:27 AM EDT
Interesting idea. Match tips are typically phosphorus by the way. Do you find this valuable?    
chitoryu12
chitoryu12
7. RE: lightening the load
Sep 19 2011, 12:37 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 19 2011, 12:37 AM EDT
Think about how much of your BOB is food weight and how much each unit weighs; as you eat and dispose of containers, the weight of your BOB decreases over time. You can factor this in and maybe squeeze by with a slightly heavier starting weight. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
hollickrichard
hollickrichard
8. RE: lightening the load
Sep 20 2011, 4:52 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 20 2011, 4:52 PM EDT
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Plastic bags - whether garbage bags or ziplock.. Billion uses, limited only to your ability to think.

Military Poncho - either used as a raincape, shelter half or groundsheet. Also green and helps you blend in while sleeping. Older ones do not breath well tho, but that can be good when in cooler weather"
if you have found shelter plastic poncho's hung upside down in a tree with a stone in the hood make a great way to catch rainwater and funnel it into any spare bottles or even ziplocks i love ziplocks ...... garbage bags can do this funnel trick too.
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hollickrichard
hollickrichard
9. RE: lightening the load
Sep 20 2011, 4:59 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 20 2011, 4:59 PM EDT
"if you have found shelter plastic poncho's hung upside down in a tree with a stone in the hood make a great way to catch rainwater and funnel it into any spare bottles or even ziplocks i love ziplocks ...... garbage bags can do this funnel trick too."
the Bushmen of the Kalahari desert use empty eggs to store water. They fill empty shells and bury them in shade under trees. An ostrich egg shell can hold about a litre of water. so why not caches of water filled ziplocks the bags weigh nothing take advantage of every drop of clean rain that you can and stash all that you can...
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John_234
John_234
10. RE: lightening the load
Sep 20 2011, 6:54 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 20 2011, 6:54 PM EDT
"the Bushmen of the Kalahari desert use empty eggs to store water. They fill empty shells and bury them in shade under trees. An ostrich egg shell can hold about a litre of water. so why not caches of water filled ziplocks the bags weigh nothing take advantage of every drop of clean rain that you can and stash all that you can...
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A ziploc isn't particularly durable or watertight. They are intended to hold /sandwiches/ you must realize. However, there are a lot of collapsible plastic canteens on the market, so you could use those.
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chitoryu12
chitoryu12
11. RE: lightening the load
Sep 20 2011, 7:26 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 20 2011, 7:26 PM EDT
"A ziploc isn't particularly durable or watertight. They are intended to hold /sandwiches/ you must realize. However, there are a lot of collapsible plastic canteens on the market, so you could use those."
Ziplocks are actually ridiculously common waterproof containers for valuables such as phones; the problem comes with the water pressure breaking the seal after not even a few meters of depth. When it comes to rain or shallow water (like a puddle), you should be fine.
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CDSm101-800s
CDSm101-800s
12. RE: lightening the load
Sep 20 2011, 11:52 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 20 2011, 11:52 PM EDT
"Ziplocks are actually ridiculously common waterproof containers for valuables such as phones; the problem comes with the water pressure breaking the seal after not even a few meters of depth. When it comes to rain or shallow water (like a puddle), you should be fine."
True, but it also depends on the type of ziplock you get. Freezer ones are the best, darn near air tight seals on those. Tested them out pretty good before I added them to my BOB.
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John_234
John_234
13. RE: lightening the load
Sep 21 2011, 12:15 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2011, 12:15 AM EDT
"Ziplocks are actually ridiculously common waterproof containers for valuables such as phones; the problem comes with the water pressure breaking the seal after not even a few meters of depth. When it comes to rain or shallow water (like a puddle), you should be fine."
Well, hollickrichard was talking about using them as water containers.
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DevilNuts
DevilNuts
14. RE: lightening the load
Sep 21 2011, 5:41 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2011, 5:41 AM EDT
Ziplock bags will hold water, and as long as you're not being rough with them they will save you money on collapseable canteens. Also, they are found everywhere.

I like this idea -- it goes well with my disposable lighter "keep it simple" plan.
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chitoryu12
chitoryu12
15. RE: lightening the load
Sep 21 2011, 10:38 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2011, 10:38 PM EDT
I've seen ziplocks full of water, and I can attest that they will hold as long as you don't do stuff like sit on them or drop them too much. If you want, you can seal your ziplocks of water in larger ones to catch any water in case they burst. Do you find this valuable?    
hollickrichard
hollickrichard
16. RE: lightening the load
Sep 22 2011, 3:20 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 22 2011, 3:20 AM EDT
"I've seen ziplocks full of water, and I can attest that they will hold as long as you don't do stuff like sit on them or drop them too much. If you want, you can seal your ziplocks of water in larger ones to catch any water in case they burst."
the double skin idea is great, the idea was to catch any and all water that you can and store the surplus on the way to your safe zone, you never know when you'll be back this way, the bush men would load up with all the water they could travel in to the desert till they had consumed a third of the carried water leave a second third and use the last portion to safely travel home again repeat this system as many times as you need to and you end up with a trail of caches across the biggest dessert you have water at every stop and all it cost you is time. Most of us are lucky not to live in a dessert but after shtf day water will become your own responsibility DON'T LET A DROP OF RAIN GO TO WASTE, unless of course there have been nuclear weapons exchanged then water gonna be a bitxh.....however you look at it......
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