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CheesyDoom	Camping: why it is such a half-@$$ed attempt at survival Sep 11 2011, 12:46 PM EDT As a long time "paranoid" person about zombies, i spend some time designing weapons and vehicles as well as buildings to escape in or to use as safe houses for survivors. When i get into a serious discussion with someone about zombies, and i ask them what their plan would be, they almost ALWAYS respond: "I'm gonna go hide in the woods". I know it sounds reasonable to some, but to me, i never look at that person the same way again. They think zombies are ALWAYS confined to cities. people (therefore zombies) live in the woods, too! When they think they're all safe and secure in their little tents which provide no protection (except TO the zombies, as the survivors can't see them coming), the zombies will rip down the cheap plastic their tents are made of. they think zombies are confined to a certain area, and they claim to have done some scouting to check if anyone lives in the general area, but guess what? ZOMBIES ROAM. how else do you think they infect MORE people? They go around, biting the crap outta people, and the more there are, the more likely they are to find you. Anyone ever see the (awesome) show, "the walking dead"? (yes, i know its' a comic, too). The people had a base in the woods. WHICH YOU COULD SEE OFF OF THE ROAD! They had not 4, not 5, but 1 dinosaur of a gun to protect themselves with! and their idea of a perimiter was a STRING WITH CANS TIED TO IT. No wonder they lost half their people in a later episode. idiots. So, What could POSSIBLY persuade me that hiding out in the woods on short notice IN TENTS is a good idea? i will scoff at you if you think the "seclusion" of the woods will be enough to protect you from the scourge of the living dead. at least get some walls! Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you? Keyword tags: argument camping Survival TV shows
VagabondVance	1. RE: Camping: why it is such a half-@$ed attempt at survival Sep 11 2011, 12:56 PM EDT Cool spoiler bro. You got a hood scoop to match? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Sharpie41	2. RE: Camping: why it is such a half-@$ed attempt at survival Sep 11 2011, 1:05 PM EDT More people are in the city, a lot of times people out in the sticks are few and far between, so therefore less zombies, so it would be safer out in the woods than the city, I agree with the tents, they are not the best, I would suggest to people that they either get trailers or sleep in the trees, or their vehicles, with guards, the tin can perimeter would be an okay idea as long as the guards listened for them if tripped, Canadian snipers use IR glowsticks as a perimeter tripwire and watch for that being tripped. Question...what would you do? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
timberrattler	3. RE: Camping: why it is such a half-@$ed attempt at survival Sep 11 2011, 1:11 PM EDT Welcome to the site CheesyDoom. Can't wait to read your plan. You sound like you know a lot about survival. The simple fact that you spend time designing weapons and vehicles as well as buildings to escape in or to use as safe houses for survivors tells me a lot about you. :) Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
JPTank	4. RE: Camping: why it is such a half-@$ed attempt at survival Sep 11 2011, 1:20 PM EDT The seclusion of woods alone will not stop them. Anyone can hide in a forest and get eaten. It's the terrain you use. If you put obstacles such as rivers, lakes, cliffs, rockland and etc in between yourself and the infected, it'll slow them down if not stop them. And that's why I become nomad. Camp not more than a day in one spot and move on. No place is safe - only safer. If I were to have a BOL it would be three quarters the way north - in Quebec; almost near the arctic ocean. Good luck zeds!!!! My route has me migrate around hudsons bay every year. What people? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Maricely	5. RE: Camping: why it is such a half-@$ed attempt at survival Sep 11 2011, 2:45 PM EDT What does this have to do with camping? And like Sharpie asked, what's your plan? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Sharpie41	6. RE: Camping: why it is such a half-@$ed attempt at survival Sep 11 2011, 3:01 PM EDT "What does this have to do with camping? And like Sharpie asked, what's your plan?" He's whining about how people want to "Camp" in the woods with a tent, but I don't see any alternate plan he would suggest, so Cheesy, whats your plan for z-poc Post reply Do you find this valuable?
DonovanRichter	7. RE: Camping: why it is such a half-@$ed attempt at survival Sep 11 2011, 3:29 PM EDT Welcome to the site. =^_^= Yeah, I think you'll find that most people here are proponents of the building a walled in area or sleeping in areas protected by some of the above mentioned measures. Its cool, I think you'll find that the people here are more hardcore/informed than most you've talked too. =^_^= Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Markthegenius	8. RE: Camping: why it is such a half-@$ed attempt at survival Sep 11 2011, 3:47 PM EDT When I saw the title of this thread i thought it would be knocking off camping for fun. As it turns out, i agree that the ideology many people seem to have of "Lets hide in the woods" is foolish. Firstly, if there were a Z-poc this would be INCREDIBLY retarded...you know, zombies being zombies and all... Surely ANY solid structure woul be better than none at all in a z-poc. However, i find the Z-poc extremely unlikely, and pretty much any other kind of S is more likely to HTF, so I prepare (e.g.) for the collape of societal structure. I can see situations where it may be neccesary to abandon one's home. In this likelihood it may transpire to some people that they have no other safe places (buildings) to go, and (lets imagine) there may be widespread violence and looting of domestic properties. In this type of situation it may be worth considering sleeping outside. After all, gangs of violent youths aren't very likely to scour the woods looking for goods to plunder or for food to live off. For me, there are dozens of friends + family's houses I could visit, but some are over 10 miles away. As such, I have a small tent and sleeping bag attatached to my BOB. Regardless, If you have to leave your home for any reason in a SHTF situation, i think it very wise to at LEAST pack a sleeping bag, because 1) You might not have a host to put you up 2) Your host might not have enough quilts/bedding 3)You can keep your belongings in the SBag with you. @Maricely, I think he refers to bugging out in the woods. I also thought he meant camping as in the casual, fun activity of sleeping outdoors, but now I think he refers to bugging out in the woods. Please correct me if i'm wrong, Cheesy. One last note...Some woods are immense. Given this, "Seclusion" would be a good defence. I highly doubt zombies would be any good at tracking, either... Post reply Do you find this valuable?
CheesyDoom	9. RE: Camping: why it is such a half-@$ed attempt at survival Sep 11 2011, 4:24 PM EDT "So Cheesy, whats your plan for z-poc?" I have a variety of contingency plans, just in case, all varying on the amount of survivors, different POVs of others (i don't want a civil war on my hands), the kinds of zombies, but i do know that no matter what, SOMEONE must survive. It could be me, you, or ANYONE, I just increase my odds by planning ahead. resident evil-type zombies? I go mobile. L4D? Establish a set area, with safe houses defining the area, and block off all the entrances. I only allow those who will pull the trigger on time and on the mark, with intentions to survive, who know the risks, but who also know when to not to take them. No matter the situation, i will have a plan. any zombie, any human, any place. I think i'll make a thread about it. because this one response is taking too long. by the way, i'm in michigan. Stand with me or against me, your choice. i know someone will always live. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Sharpie41	10. RE: Camping: why it is such a half-@$ed attempt at survival Sep 11 2011, 4:42 PM EDT "I have a variety of contingency plans, just in case, all varying on the amount of survivors, different POVs of others (i don't want a civil war on my hands), the kinds of zombies, but i do know that no matter what, SOMEONE must survive. It could be me, you, or ANYONE, I just increase my odds by planning ahead. resident evil-type zombies? I go mobile. L4D? Establish a set area, with safe houses defining the area, and block off all the entrances. I only allow those who will pull the trigger on time and on the mark, with intentions to survive, who know the risks, but who also know when to not to take them. No matter the situation, i will have a plan. any zombie, any human, any place. I think i'll make a thread about it. because this one response is taking too long. by the way, i'm in michigan. Stand with me or against me, your choice. i know someone will always live." All I see is, either bug out, or bug in, I will have a plan. Where will you go, where will you stay what is your real plan, where are your vehicles and weapons you have supposedly designed? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
randomknife666	11. RE: Camping: why it is such a half-@$ed attempt at survival Sep 11 2011, 4:50 PM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 11 2011, 4:51 PM EDT All I'm thinking is can these vehicles and weapons work at even 70% efficiency (I consider this minimum, since 100% is damn near impossible) in a post apocalyptic environment, not just a week long field test (remember, you always go home and perform maintenance eventually, what if you can't perform any maintenance?). Are these weapons and vehicles proven effective in even peace-time environments? What is your testing process, what kind of hell do you put them through? How easy is it to maintain them if you can't order new parts? Can you make parts without powered equipment should need be? Well, there is more, but I think I would break the page if I continue with my criteria. Yeah, I got some pretty heavy criteria for self-made stuff. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
LJ126	12. RE: Camping: why it is such a half-@$ed attempt at survival Sep 11 2011, 5:08 PM EDT @ OP Why would anyone want to live in tents in the woods when the zombies come? Ever heard the term "off-the-grid" before? If not, acquaint yourself, as trying to scavenge a shelter might just get you shot and killed by a human, or worse. A tent is a waterproof shelter, and trust me, it beats the living hell outta trying to stay in a wilderness-made shelter. Real life isn't a movie. You're not just going to walk into a warehouse or shopping mall and turn it into your ultimate zombie stronghold. You're going to have access to your home, your car, and whatever you can purchase beforehand, and what you can construct in a pinch. That's home, and that's why a tent is a good idea. The advantages to living in the woods are few but they're significant. There's naturally renewable food sources, from small to medium sized animals and gather-ables, and later, you could possibly grow your own food. It's also hidden from human eyes, not all of which will be well-meaning. And, if you've never walked in the woods before, it's slow moving on all but the most prepared trails - zombies would be loud and even slower than normal. It stacks the odds further in a well-prepared person's favor. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
CheesyDoom	13. RE: Camping: why it is such a half-@$ed attempt at survival Sep 11 2011, 5:10 PM EDT i gotta new thread up and stuff. it has crap about my plans. each post will be a different scenario and what i plan to do. http://www.zombiesurvivalwiki.com/thread/4735837/The+plans+to+end+all+plans.+%28continuing+from+the+camping+thread%29 just copy/paste it to your web address bar. i already have a forest scenario posted! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
knurled	14. RE: Camping: why it is such a half-@$ed attempt at survival Sep 11 2011, 11:12 PM EDT Im not saying camping is the best idea in the world or that a tent is good protection but I have a reason to go into hte wilderness. It is what I know, its as simple as that. Ive spent my life in the sticks, I dont know anything about surviving in the city and id get lost every time i went out (Im directionally ******) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
kbstone	15. RE: Camping: why it is such a half-@$ed attempt at survival Sep 12 2011, 8:13 AM EDT "The seclusion of woods alone will not stop them. Anyone can hide in a forest and get eaten. It's the terrain you use. If you put obstacles such as rivers, lakes, cliffs, rockland and etc in between yourself and the infected, it'll slow them down if not stop them. And that's why I become nomad. Camp not more than a day in one spot and move on. No place is safe - only safer. If I were to have a BOL it would be three quarters the way north - in Quebec; almost near the arctic ocean. Good luck zeds!!!! My route has me migrate around hudsons bay every year. What people? " Nice, finally someone thinking about going in Quebec! Make sure you pass by ST-Eustache, lol. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
FrankLeeDeRainged	16. RE: Camping: why it is such a half-@$ed attempt at survival Sep 12 2011, 12:54 PM EDT Has anyone given any thought to just how long 'Run And Hide In The Forest' has been a normal response to fear? Hundreds of years, Thousands? When you start to think about it it may be some leftover primate programming. However a forest with its background noise and movement, formless confusion of light and shade is exactly the place to hide from a predator with senses like ours, if (and its a biggie) you know how to use it. And theres the rub because anyone with the skills to use the forrest will probably have a better plan than "I'm going camping" _ Post reply Do you find this valuable?
ManoCrowbar	17. RE: Camping: why it is such a half-@$ed attempt at survival Jul 21 2012, 11:15 PM EDT yes that is a good point. oh, and hi!!! but back too buisness, i, like mark, thougth u were refering 2 those snotty ******* that camp in a a/c conditoned trailer and all that, but it is now apparant ur in to the whole rant kind of thing ( cough shawnxzcough) as many have quoted thru out this tread, the woods do offer many advantiges, and to be honest, i'm not the most mountian man type of person, but i do enjoy the outdoors, so yeah. ok i'm going to put up three advantiges, and ur hopfully going to think on them, and if you still don't agree, feel free to rant aganst them: 1. natrual food and water: lets face it, food comes from nature, and where does nature come from. exactly. even if u can't find any thing to hunt/ catch (which would be odd due to, but not only, rabbits, squirrrls, fish, birds, and the ocational house cat whos was chasing a butterfly. trust me, that last one was hard to type, for i am a cat person) , there are edible plants (BUY A BOOK ABOUT IT BEFORE TRYING!!!!). in the case of water..... wait, do i really need to explain this part? 2. cover: Trees, bushes, long grass, and toher natural thing do a good job at hiding ur camp. you can also cut down branches and lay them on ur tent to disgiuse it even better. beware of ivy though....... 3. nosie: sure stepping on leaves many give away ur position (although if u sweep them all away form ur camp ground that won't happen as much) but i will also give away others!. plus if u never heard of max brook's theory that total silence in the woods means that zeds are near! srry for the long ass post. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
EveningFlower	18. RE: Camping: why it is such a half-@$ed attempt at survival Jul 23 2012, 5:40 AM EDT If it comes down to it one of my plans does involve heading for the forest. I however do not plan on being an easy target on the ground. Instead my bug out location consists of a series of platforms and rope bridges by which the platforms are connected. Some of the platforms are already fully equipped living spaces which we can reach through trapdoors with rope ladders. We might put up some tents on the ground for storage or day use but in the nighttime no one touches the ground. I'm also considering putting in a weight system similar to those of ancient drawbridges on the ladders. (Heavy weight in one end of the rope, ladder in the other and an attachment point higher up. Basically when one end goes up the other goes down.) That way in an attack you could just step on to a ladder and get winched up. This would be a quick method of getting mainly the very old or very young up to safety without having to worry about their climbing speed. (Or any unwanted followers.) NOTE: This is a backup plan and its usage will depend entirely on the situation at hand. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
shadowmancer	19. RE: Camping: why it is such a half-@$ed attempt at survival Jul 24 2012, 12:53 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jul 24 2012, 12:54 PM EDT as for the woods haveing no defences I call bullshiit on that. Simplest defence you can make in a forest? take some rope and loop it between the trees in a grid thread loose logs between the ropes voila instant surivival fence. If its good enough to prevent a dang bear from entering your camp its good enough for zombies. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?

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