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StarMushroom |
Living in a country with a small gun supply.
Sep 24 2011, 1:52 PM EDT
Personally I feel lucky for not living in a "gun infested" country. Having the chance to rely on guns for protection against zombies is something I am glad I don’t have. I will go through what I believe is the most important disadvantages about firearms and compare them with what I believe to be the advantage with using melee.Firearms: Melee: Ammo is limited - With melee you do not need ammo of any kind. You need a different type of ammo for almost every type of gun - You can make a weapon out of almost anything, both blunt and sharp, making it easy to adapt. Your firearm might misfire - A machete or a crowbar would never misfire. Firearms make a lot of noise - An axe would never make a sound, and neither would a katana. It is hard to hit the head exactly where you need to hit it - Swinging a machete toward a neck should not be to hard. Firearms require maintenance - You don’t have to do anything with your titanium bat after use. Unless you want it spit-shined just to look nice. If you can come up with more reasons why, please add them. But do not get me wrong, there are many advantages with firearms too. Of course. F e in short terms, a gun would be preferable over a melee weapon. Imagine yourself on the run. You know where you are going, and it’s not too far away. Anybody in their right mind would rather have a shotgun in hand instead of a crowbar, when you know where you are going. But then again, the Z-Apoc. might take years (most likely will). Having a gun means having to scavenge for ammo. When there probably are many more doing the same, supplies won’t last long. This means you have to be careful on the use bullets, a privilege you might not have. You will also have to run like hell after firing a couple of shots, cause it will most likely attract others. So: Gun or no gun? 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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StarMushroom |
1. RE: Living in a country with a small gun supply.
Sep 24 2011, 1:53 PM EDT
There is more to say ofc. but there was not enough room.
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byates |
2. RE: Living in a country with a small gun supply.
Sep 24 2011, 2:46 PM EDT
Using an ax, bat, or other up close and personal weapon allows you to enjoy that splash of undead flesh and fluids against your body that you would avoid with a longer range weapon. BTW, I can group in a 4 inch/100 cm circle at 25 meters with an issue .45ACP. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
Filadog |
3. RE: Living in a country with a small gun supply.
Sep 24 2011, 5:51 PM EDT
I don't understand what difference it would make if your country has a "small gun supply" ( what ever that means) as you can probably get along fine with just 3 to 5 guns if need beIf you get your guns and ammo now you probably won't have any trouble getting your melée weapons too for when you need them....You can always have both I think you have to be pretty much a slow head to just have melée and not guns too 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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StarMushroom |
4. RE: Living in a country with a small gun supply.
Sep 24 2011, 6:12 PM EDT
"Using an ax, bat, or other up close and personal weapon allows you to enjoy that splash of undead flesh and fluids against your body that you would avoid with a longer range weapon.With the propper armor, you dont have to worry about any splatter hitting the vital parts. With lots of training, almost everybody can group a what ever in a what ever. The problem is limitation. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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StarMushroom |
5. RE: Living in a country with a small gun supply.
Sep 24 2011, 6:24 PM EDT
"I don't understand what difference it would make if your country has a "small gun supply" ( what ever that means) as you can probably get along fine with just 3 to 5 guns if need beI dont understand whats hard to understand with "a small gun supply"... There are barely any guns in Norway, and the once we have, are hard to get. Norway is nothing like America. I can barely get one gun. And you really think you can store enough ammo to last through the whole Z-Poc? Dont forget the fact that you most likely need to move to a more secure location sooner or later. How much ammo can you carry?... And im no slow head, I just have limited supplies. Again, this is from my point of view. I quote myself - "PERSONALLY I feel lucky for not living in a "gun infested" country." 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Filadog |
6. RE: Living in a country with a small gun supply.
Sep 24 2011, 7:27 PM EDT
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"I dont understand whats hard to understand with "a small gun supply"... There are barely any guns in Norway, and the once we have, are hard to get. Norway is nothing like America. I can barely get one gun.Google gun numbers in Norway Norway has 1,320,000 private owned guns That's 31 guns for ever 100 people Out of 178 countries world wide Norway ranks 11 at rate of private gun ownership Most types of guns can be fairly easly obtained if you are a hunter or sport shooter and I think you can posses up to 10,000 rounds of ammo Wasn't the latest mass shooter in Norway ? He didn't seem to have trouble getting his guns and ammo Why don't people that live in a country don't know thier own country gun laws and facts? 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
Sharpie41 |
7. RE: Living in a country with a small gun supply.
Sep 24 2011, 7:29 PM EDT
"I dont understand whats hard to understand with "a small gun supply"... There are barely any guns in Norway, and the once we have, are hard to get. Norway is nothing like America. I can barely get one gun.The guy who killed 87 people didn't have trouble... You can get guns in Norway, maybe not very easy (Like Canada) but still do able 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
nate121 |
8. RE: Living in a country with a small gun supply.
Sep 24 2011, 7:31 PM EDT
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i find it rather annoying when people who can't get guns try to disprove there usefullness in any situation...i will take a lot longer to get tired of pulling the trigger than i will trying to swing something though someones skull. most improvised weapons are ****** excuses for weapons they will break and probably fail to kill even one infected. swinging a melee weapon at there neck is easy- if they don't have there arms out grabbing towards you my gun might misfire? fine, i can clear a jam in a few seconds while backpeddling what if you machete or ax breaks? guns do make noise, but unless you can already see who's shooting you won't be able to pinpoint a location, same with zeds melee weapons need maintenance, axe heads can rust and dull, wood can dry out, blades can dull and i've never seen a titanium baseball bat, only wood or aluminum And the ideal situation is to have a safer location (that you own) in a less populated area pre-stocked with supplies and ammo finally what if the infected are "rager" style i wouldn't want to be anywhere near them, as their stonger and faster than you 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
Zombot |
9. RE: Living in a country with a small gun supply.
Sep 24 2011, 8:13 PM EDT
I have to agree with Nate on this one. I'd rather clear a jam that poo myself and throw my broken baseball bat at a zombie as it latches onto my arm.That isn't to say that both weapons don't have their place. The noise is absolutely an issue, because I want to leave as small a footprint as I can, but screw me sideways if I'm relying on my Mall Ninja Katana and I run into a hungry bear. Noise or no noise, I'm shooting that damn bear if I can't avoid it. Which leads me to my third point, avoidance. If someone is relying entirely on either weapon for their survival, they aren't going to last long, period, end of story. So while I'm hoping to have thousands of rounds by the time the Z-poc happens, I'm also hoping to still have thousands of rounds by the time the offense against them begins, even if it's years later. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
John_234 |
10. RE: Living in a country with a small gun supply.
Sep 25 2011, 12:38 AM EDT
Are guns actually scarce in your country, or outlawed?The principle difference is scarce, like Japan, not having a gun really isn't as big a deal for survival because most people, gangsters included don't have them. Whereas the UK, if things went bad and people started dying, the guns would start popping up in pretty significant numbers, and it could be kinda ugly. Either way, I'd like to have a gun if possible. It's the most efficient weapon we've devised for handheld use and we know the most about using them to kill people. They jam, they break, but both are relatively easy to fix, as we've been doing so for several hundred years now. And the primary point of using a gun in a disaster isn't to blast away and live magazine to magazine, but to have the most effective weapon possible if ever forced into the ugly situation of a fight. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
GhostRaziel |
11. RE: Living in a country with a small gun supply.
Sep 25 2011, 2:50 AM EDT
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"I don't understand what difference it would make if your country has a "small gun supply" ( what ever that means) as you can probably get along fine with just 3 to 5 guns if need bewhat he means by a small gun supply is that it's likely very difficult to aquire guns due to availability, laws, etc, I live in canada and I've never once seen a gun store in my entire life, now that doesn't mean I'm not experienced with firearms of a sort, but mine date back a lot farther than the oldest flintlock. on another note, most guns, to be used efficiently require special training, as well as certain melee weapons, for example a katana would require years of martial training in order to use it to it's maximm potential, otherwise you might wear yourself down in a matter of minutes, and of course maintenance would be greatly needed for any bladed weapon, unless you don't mind having to swing your sword harder to cut through flesh, or having it rust until it's useless. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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StarMushroom |
12. RE: Living in a country with a small gun supply.
Sep 25 2011, 12:09 PM EDT
Well if you are going to bring anders bering breivik to the subject, i strongly suggest reading abit more about him and his case. He imported guns and ammo illegally = the police etc. did not know about it. Here in Norway, you also have to be a hunter or a sportsman(in guns ofc.) to obtain a firearm, but you also have to send in an application to be able to own a gun. You also need a hunters license or a gun club membership and be 21 years old or over, to get this application granted. Your regular rifle is 18, but still you have to have a legit reason for owning it, and you have to be a diligent shooter to be alowed. So if you dont have a problem with going to training and competitions all the time, and using alot of money on that, then go ahead. And good luck with having 10.000 round in your house, without having the police knocking on your door.
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StarMushroom |
13. RE: Living in a country with a small gun supply.
Sep 25 2011, 12:12 PM EDT
I wouldnt have trouble if i whent the criminal way either... Read up on 07/22/2011 "Sharpie".
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Sharpie41 |
14. RE: Living in a country with a small gun supply.
Sep 25 2011, 12:35 PM EDT
"Well if you are going to bring anders bering breivik to the subject, i strongly suggest reading abit more about him and his case. He imported guns and ammo illegally = the police etc. did not know about it. Here in Norway, you also have to be a hunter or a sportsman(in guns ofc.) to obtain a firearm, but you also have to send in an application to be able to own a gun. You also need a hunters license or a gun club membership and be 21 years old or over, to get this application granted. Your regular rifle is 18, but still you have to have a legit reason for owning it, and you have to be a diligent shooter to be alowed. So if you dont have a problem with going to training and competitions all the time, and using alot of money on that, then go ahead. And good luck with having 10.000 round in your house, without having the police knocking on your door."He went with the Mini-14 because he could get it legally, read up on his case buddy. IIRC he was a hunter. Do you find this valuable? |
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StarMushroom |
15. RE: Living in a country with a small gun supply.
Sep 25 2011, 1:31 PM EDT
Part 1.I am not trying to "disprove there usefullness in any situation". I am simply saying I, i repeat IIIIIII, would prefere melee. Ofc. I'd take the gun if i had it, but i dont, hence i try to make the beste out of melee and rely on that. And everybody know to stay away from combat at almost any cost, so we are not talking about some sort of bigteam battle here. Anybody in their right mind would run, before trying to fight of 20 Zs with a group of 2-4 owe. And if you are going to improvise a weapon, read the ZSG. Not everything can be used, that is why i said "almost everything". Hitting the neck is still easy, if you have the right length. Dont use a friggin nail hammer... Can you clear any kind of jam in a few seconds? If my machete breaks?! Show me an example of a high quality machete breaking... Even if it did, i would have a ready to use bat on my back.If that broke, i could even have another one, and another one, and still be able to run. how many guns can you carry, and for how long? And then you have to hide for them. Remember their smelling ability. Id rather kill 2 Zs and then move on, than to kill 4, then having to hide/ deal with/ run from another 100... Stainless steel... Its easier to have 30 machetes/ axes/ bats/ what ever melee weapon, than 30 guns. Its also easier to carry a knife grinder in your BOB, that a crapload of tools for gun maintenance. Screw melee maintenance. And titanium? google it. You need to see it to believe it? This is "ZOMBIE survival wiki"... Ofc. about the ideal situation, but youre not always in it... Well if the infected are "rager" style, you would ofc. be even more careful. You would do even more to avoid contact of any sort, even if you had guns. Do you find this valuable? |
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StarMushroom |
16. RE: Living in a country with a small gun supply.
Sep 25 2011, 1:44 PM EDT
What about his strongly recomending to import guns from poland owe? He obtained the rifle ilegaly. He got the gun permit legaly, but the gun was never bought in Norway. And getting a automatic rifle here in Norway(especially these days) is like trying to buy sex legaly from a cop.
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StarMushroom |
17. RE: Living in a country with a small gun supply.
Sep 25 2011, 1:54 PM EDT
Never use replicas that are not battle ready. Period. And never leave your safehouse without the propper armor. The propper armor would hold against a couple of bites.Ofc. shoot the damn bear if you want to, but we are talking about personal preferences here. I would rather hack loose, than having to run like a little *****. And yes, as i said in another comment: "Everybody know to stay away from combat at almost any cost, so we are not talking about some sort of bigteam battle here. Anybody in their right mind would run, before trying to fight of 20 Zs with a group of 2-4". AND thank you for not going highwire crazy ***** on my thread. Do you find this valuable? |
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StarMushroom |
18. RE: Living in a country with a small gun supply.
Sep 25 2011, 2:01 PM EDT
I guess you could say they are a bit of both. I would recomend to read up on it, so i dont have to write about it. Haha.If people startet dying and so forth, as you said about england, things would not be any easier. Every Norwegian gun owner, is required to have every single gun, locked up in a steel safe. Finding the key/ password would be a *****. I would like to have a gun too, but mostly as a last resort. They are hard to handle, and (this is what/ how i think/ feel) less reliable. Do you find this valuable? |
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Sep 25 2011, 2:07 PM EDT
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