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StrykerPez |
Scenario: Raiders, Now or Later?
Sep 26 2011, 3:15 AM EDT
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You have joined with a small group that has a large tour bus converted into a mobile fortress. Nothing heavy duty, but there's one mounted Fifty on the roof, plenty of guns and ammo to go around, and enough diesel, food and water to get where you're going and then some. For the purposes of this exercise, the group number is fluid and you may substitute members of your own group if you want, but somewhere in the neighborhood of 15-20 people, counting women and children. Your only other vehicle is a 650cc dual-sport motorcycle, ridden by your scout. As you travel toward your hopefully zombie-free new home, your scout reports back that a group of bikers and troublemakers have set up a roadblock on an intact bridge, and are planning to levy a toll of most of your stuff. As a group, you decide to run their barricade at full speed, guns blazing. It pays off, and you make it through, losing only the gunner on the Fifty as a casualty and a flat tire on one of the sets of duals as collateral. Of the 20 or so bikers on the bridge, only 10 are left. You push on, stopping only when a bullet-holed fuel tank begins to make problems several hundred miles farther near the top of a grade. The group decides to make camp for the night. You have spare cans of diesel, but the tank must be patched first. It is almost dusk, and from your vantage point in the fading light you can see four motorcycle headlights winding up the road in the distance. They stop at what you recognize as an old motel you passed about 20 miles down the mountain. Now it comes to the decision. Do you: A: Find a good spot, dig in, and wait for them to come to you? B: Assemble a team and hit them after they pass out tonight? C: Keep running, live to fight another day (keep in mind they ARE following you and are pretty mad about the roadblock incident...) D: Other. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
VagabondVance |
1. RE: Scenario: Raiders, Now or Later?
Sep 26 2011, 3:35 AM EDT
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Bunker down, make fortifications and hold the hill, we've already got the high ground and the goal is to survive, not to be heroes and take out Toecutter. Besides we likely blew by that motel and thus have no idea of what can be waiting for us, four bikes that had their lights on could very well be 14 guys expecting you to pay them a visit, and getting into a close-quarters firefight in a motel you have no blue prints on is just asking for an ambush. TLDGSTR? A. Edit: Granted Mr.Motor bike and some company are going to be sent about 1/3 of the way so we can get a heads up in case. Do you find this valuable? |
renet76 |
2. RE: Scenario: Raiders, Now or Later?
Sep 26 2011, 3:39 AM EDT
Um a couple of questions i have to ask1. How many were at the road block to start with? 2. Why after you made the commitment to combat didn't we neutralize the threat totally as there was always going to be the chance they would come after us 3. Why didn't we take every thing from the road block after removing the threat? If we ran a road block with only one casualty and a couple of bullet holes it cant be that heavily defended Sorry if my questions seem stupid Do you find this valuable? |
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StrykerPez |
3. RE: Scenario: Raiders, Now or Later?
Sep 26 2011, 3:47 AM EDT
"Um a couple of questions i have to ask"I'd say about 20 guys at the roadblock, 2 and 3, because we blew threw the roadblock at 65mph, shooting non-stop. Good guess is at most 10 bikers / raiders left. Do you find this valuable? |
thomas13mike |
4. RE: Scenario: Raiders, Now or Later?
Sep 26 2011, 3:49 AM EDT
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How many of those 10-15 are actual fighters? VV is right if you've got the hill you've already got a reverse slope to fight from. If you've got enough fighters and you've got a .50 to support you better to deal with them when you've got the advantage then down the road when you might not. Let them get as close as you dare and then open up. Or if you've got enough guns use the fighters first and when they get over the hill and think they're clear there's the Ma Deuce waiting for them.
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StrykerPez |
5. RE: Scenario: Raiders, Now or Later?
Sep 26 2011, 3:55 AM EDT
I didn't specify which members of your group are combatants, mainly to leave it open to everybody. Specifically, if it were my group, I would have about 10 guys in shape and combat ready, 5 that could at least shoot, and 5 non-combatants. (plus or minus) Less one gunner, RIP... so now 9 in fighting shape. Do you find this valuable? |
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VagabondVance |
6. RE: Scenario: Raiders, Now or Later?
Sep 26 2011, 3:57 AM EDT
"Less one gunner, RIP... so now 9 in fighting shape. "We'll call him Leroy Jenkins for the purpose of this scenario, and while I'm digging in I'll help bury him and his red shirt. Do you find this valuable? |
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StrykerPez |
7. RE: Scenario: Raiders, Now or Later?
Sep 26 2011, 4:01 AM EDT
LEEEEROOOOYYYYYY JEEEEENNNNKINNNSSSSSSSSS!!!!! 6 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you? |
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thomas13mike |
8. RE: Scenario: Raiders, Now or Later?
Sep 26 2011, 4:03 AM EDT
"We'll call him Leroy Jenkins for the purpose of this scenario, and while I'm digging in I'll help bury him and his red shirt."At the least get rid of the red shirt...That thing sticks out like a sore (your choice) Do you find this valuable? |
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renet76 |
9. RE: Scenario: Raiders, Now or Later?
Sep 26 2011, 4:29 AM EDT
"LEEEEROOOOYYYYYY JEEEEENNNNKINNNSSSSSSSSS!!!!!lets hope leroy jenkings is on the other side as we all know he wiped his raid Do you find this valuable? |
Zombot |
10. RE: Scenario: Raiders, Now or Later?
Sep 26 2011, 4:44 AM EDT
I'd dig in to hold the hill, but I'd also be sending at least a few people back to the motel. If they get there and find much more than they bargained for, at least we've got some intel when they get back. Plus, they'd probably be able to at least neutralize several of the motorcycles, severely limiting the speed or numbers of the group when they attempt to hit you the next day.Reason being, we have some place we're headed. We have women and children. Whatever I can do to decrease the fighting with our bus, our primary transportation in the wasteland, the better. A few scouts in a surprise attack in the middle of the night would do exactly that, and just maybe convince them that we aren't worth attacking at all. (Joking from here on out) Besides, we all know bikers will get drunk every night, so it'd be easy to sneak in and kill em all. Do you find this valuable? |
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thomas13mike |
11. RE: Scenario: Raiders, Now or Later?
Sep 26 2011, 5:05 AM EDT
Or just have the scouts trash the bikes in the middle of the night i mean either way... You trash the bikes and now they're on foot. Hard to cover 20 miles on foot in that big of a hurry. I still say deal with them... You screw them over and people have a habit of making it their mission to get revenge.
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StrykerPez |
12. RE: Scenario: Raiders, Now or Later?
Sep 26 2011, 4:41 PM EDT
The biggest danger with leaving any of them alive is that it now makes you a target for anybody they tell their story to.
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John_234 |
13. RE: Scenario: Raiders, Now or Later?
Sep 26 2011, 4:52 PM EDT
I'd imagine everyone in my group could fight or contribute in some way, but realistically, I'd have five or six that would be too young / old / ill to fight in any given scenario. So say, fourteen people to work with. So we'd have to do this intelligently. They can see us, we can see them. That's what we have to assume.If they're sitting there with their freakin headlights on when they know a battle wagon just blasted through their barricade, they're probably trying to bait us out. Or they're just so stupid that waiting a few hours wouldn't make so much difference. Either way, we kill them before they turn into a long-term problem. So, battle plan. We need to take them out before a single one escapes to take the news back home to the raiders. First thing I'd like to do is send out a small patrol to see if those bikers are actually vulnerable. But it's twenty miles, a motorcycle is noisy and like hell we're going to drive the bus down there. We'd get to work on repairs and never keep less than four armed guards at the bus. Lights out if possible, any campfire / stove inside the bus itself. In the meantime, I need my guys doing some basic prep work. Two would search the general area for any back-routes and such that could be used to screw us over. They'd also find a good place to put down the fifty cal. Once that basic information was established, we'd have a two man patrol sent out with radios, a capture codeword and flare guns down the road to monitor any movement we don't see immediately. The rest of the people on hand would do some really simple work - digging pitfalls covered with blankets and dirt, just deep enough to screw up a rider, burying cables in the dirt to pull and trip riders, and cut down some small trees to use as a roadblock (I'm assuming there'd be some trees within several miles), as situation needs. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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John_234 |
14. RE: Scenario: Raiders, Now or Later?
Sep 26 2011, 4:57 PM EDT
The scouts are relieved, everyone takes turns sleeping, in a few hours we increase the scouts on the road and have them move a little farther out. Then final preps happen.The bus is going to have anybody who can't fight and a few guards on it. We're going to put a mockup of a gun on it and put the fifty down on the side of the road. Various things are going to be arranged to make it appear like a crash that got ripped up by zeds, and it's absolute lights out, dead silent. Of course, it's ready to roll out at any time. Riders come up, scouts radio their numbers. If the pitfalls, cords and such are more effective than we though, we can probably capture a lot of them alive. If not, we let it rip, roll the smaller trees into the road to trip them up and cut off escape, and cut them down with the fifty. If numbers were crazy and all went sour even with our preparations, we'd roll a tree down behind the bus and pull it out of there, and attack with everything we've got as they try to follow. We either win, or do some damage and get the heck out of there. Those pitfalls become graves, we take what we can and bury what we can't. When those raiders start looking around, it's going to be like their people disappeared off the face of the planet. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
Whybother08 |
15. RE: Scenario: Raiders, Now or Later?
Sep 26 2011, 4:57 PM EDT
"The biggest danger with leaving any of them alive is that it now makes you a target for anybody they tell their story to. "I'd go with disable the motorcycles beyond ad-hoc repair. Slice a big section of the fuel line out so they can't just tape it together. And there would be a couple holes in their story if they tried to bend it in their favor. >Why are they set up on a travel choke point and not a more defendable location? >Why didn't we stop to take their stuff? What would be our purpose of gunning them down? Even if they do manage to sell that story, they have no clue where we are going, other than "Up that road." Do you find this valuable? |
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StrykerPez |
16. RE: Scenario: Raiders, Now or Later?
Sep 26 2011, 6:12 PM EDT
I just had a thought... if we are on a mountain, can't the scout just coast down on his bike silently? He could start it after cutting some fuel lines to GTFO quickly. John, I like the idea of dismounting the fifty and making a fake one! Clever! Do you find this valuable? |
JPTank |
17. RE: Scenario: Raiders, Now or Later?
Sep 26 2011, 9:34 PM EDT
Since the bus is rather imobalized and the bikers are comming, the 50 cal comes off the bus. Get everyone out of there and actually move a little ways towards the bikers direction - leaving the bus and contents as a token.Set up an ambush. These guys are on bikes and will probably hightail it all the way to the bus; to take what they can and maybe even kill or capture who they can - to get some kind of idea where were going. Since they're looking at the bus as being their finish line they probably won't be slowing down or thinking about what might be in wait for them just before they get there. The thing about bikes is they offer little protection. By hiding the 50 call in some folliage by the side of the road and a good sized ambush, they'd get mowed down. That 50 would make quick work, not to mention their buddies seeing more of them getting torn to shreds still on their bikes - would be a morale attack and may make them think about turning around. Add some rifles and so onto pick others off, it would be chaos. In addition, if time permits you couldset up speed traps, to make their ride through the ambush even more uncomfortable. Potholes, bumps, things they shouldn't be able to see untill it's too late. Maybe other sorts of attacks. Think like an ewok from starwars. Maybe disabling the breaks from the bus and giving it a push downhill towards the attackers just after they've been nailed would give them more reason to gtfo. As a vehicle that weighs tons is barreling down the hill. Mind you it might lose controll and crash into somthing friendly... Do you find this valuable? |
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JPTank |
18. RE: Scenario: Raiders, Now or Later?
Sep 26 2011, 9:40 PM EDT
Regardless, use the approaching dark to your advantage. They may not see a clothesline stretched accross the road or a spike strip. Even if they send a large number, ambushing would be best. This way any bikes up front get torn to scrap, and the ones still behind that will end up running through that or be in for a bumpy ride. Face plants all around! Do you find this valuable? |
JunkCollector |
19. RE: Scenario: Raiders, Now or Later?
Sep 26 2011, 11:28 PM EDT
First move the .50 to passenger side window, put people at every window. Send 6 people on foot down to an area that provides cover. Roll the RV down to the motel, fire the .50 through the rooms, and fire on any one who comes out. Meanwhile your 6 on foot will watch the back of the motel to shoot any one coming out of any back doors or windows. When there is no one firing back, scavenge up what they have and trade in the bus for motorcycles.
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