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JPTank |
20. RE: Scenario: Raiders, Now or Later?
Sep 26 2011, 11:36 PM EDT
"First move the .50 to passenger side window, put people at every window. Send 6 people on foot down to an area that provides cover. Roll the RV down to the motel, fire the .50 through the rooms, and fire on any one who comes out. Meanwhile your 6 on foot will watch the back of the motel to shoot any one coming out of any back doors or windows. When there is no one firing back, scavenge up what they have and trade in the bus for motorcycles. "Yea but what if there's not only bikers in the motel? Kids? Women? Hostages? Lighting up the motel like a chrstmas tree might cause unneeded casualties. Do you find this valuable? |
John_234 |
21. RE: Scenario: Raiders, Now or Later?
Sep 27 2011, 1:34 AM EDT
lol. JPTank, y u copying my plan for? :P
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JPTank |
22. RE: Scenario: Raiders, Now or Later?
Sep 27 2011, 1:37 PM EDT
"lol. JPTank, y u copying my plan for? :P"Really? I did? :O I didn't even read the whole thread lmao. I guess great minds think alike. Do you find this valuable? |
DevilNuts |
23. RE: Scenario: Raiders, Now or Later?
Sep 27 2011, 9:43 PM EDT
"Nothing heavy duty, but there's one mounted Fifty on the roof, plenty of [..] ammo...."1) Oxymoron detected. .50 is a heavy machinegun, and more than enough to get you through this ordeal. 2) Running their barricade full speed was a big mistake. The largest firearm we have available is the .50, and the largest advantage firearms give us is range. Larger firearms [typically] offer larger ranges, and thus by getting in close we have neutralized our largest advantage. In this case I think it would have been much smarter to hit them with the .50 while we still had the advantage of distance on our side. If they had anything heavy enough to counter our heavy weapon, we would have known about it with plenty of time to react. ... Otherwise, our gross advantage of fire superiority would decimate them or cause them to bug out and abandon their roadblock. **** On topic **** Since I missed the vote on the initial action, my assumption based on available data is that these guys for whatever reason are going to brave coming into contact with our Deuce again (either they have something which mitigates it as a threat, or they intend to acquire it for their own use). This to me suggests we should assume a defensive posture, while retaining our mobility option. 1) I would like to send a scouting party to see what they have left, and what they are up to. 2) It is imperative that a 360-degree defense be established, and that likely avenues of approach to our camp are adequately covered by sectors of fire. The most likely avenues of approach will, of course, be covered by the .50. 2 1/2) If possible, roadblocks and other obstacles may be employed to reduce viable approaches into our area. This may be easier or more difficult since we are dealing with bikers.... flexibility is the key. <tbc> 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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DevilNuts |
24. RE: Scenario: Raiders, Now or Later?
Sep 27 2011, 9:51 PM EDT
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3) If these things are not feasible, or it is determined that the threat is gone, we pull up anchor and head on our way. 4) The scouting party: Two small teams will be dispatched. - The main team will recon the motel, getting info on the makeup and disposition of the bikers, and reporting this info back to camp. They may also decide to assault the bikers, disable their bikes or light the motel on fire (team leader's discretion). - The secondary team will accompany the main team about 3/4 of the way to the motel, and then plant a$s and set up a fire position, awaiting return of the main team. If the main team is pursued or runs into trouble, the 2nd team will provide security or relief by ambushing the enemy from a perpendicular (preferably concealed) position. EDIT: This is going to require that my recon teams be inserted, or spend several hours on foot. If this isn't feasible, I'll scrap it. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
JunkCollector |
25. RE: Scenario: Raiders, Now or Later?
Sep 27 2011, 10:13 PM EDT
"Yea but what if there's not only bikers in the motel?F-them, they ain't me and mine and that's what I would be looking after. My group would probably need what they have to get us down the road. If and I say if we can hit them hard and fast, we more than likely will gain needed supplies, fuel, and transportation. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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DevilNuts |
26. RE: Scenario: Raiders, Now or Later?
Sep 27 2011, 10:23 PM EDT
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"Yea but what if there's not only bikers in the motel?Interesting. This highlights the need to send a team to quietly recon the situation. "Liberating" any unaffiliated residents at the motel could yield us a gratuity of supplies (or at least a comfortable place to spend a few days while repairing the vehicles). Best-case scenario is that we make some new friends to either visit on occasion (trade supplies & info) or even add them to our ranks. EDIT: The last thing I would want to do is shoot up the motel. .50 Ammo is very valuable, and won't be very easy to come by. Need to make it count. Do you find this valuable? |
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DevilNuts |
27. RE: Scenario: Raiders, Now or Later?
Sep 28 2011, 12:09 AM EDT
I hate to put my foot in my mouth like this, but I think Critter's daughter with her scoped rifle would be very useful for this scenario.
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StrykerPez |
28. RE: Scenario: Raiders, Now or Later?
Sep 29 2011, 1:50 AM EDT
DN, I really like it. +1 to the reasons I would defer to DN's leadership if we ever met up post apoc. If I had to guess, I would say they're chasing us out of rage, revenge, and desire to get our stuff. Even if they doubled up, four bikes means at most 8 guys. If they're stopping, it means they know we stopped. Either they're waiting until morning light to hit us (unlikely, facing a .50) Or they're planning on ambushing us tonight. I agree with sending a team to the motel, but I wouldn't want to put any of my guys in close quarters combat with raiders in an unknown motel. Do you find this valuable? |
VagabondVance |
29. RE: Scenario: Raiders, Now or Later?
Sep 29 2011, 2:57 AM EDT
Huh and here I thought you would have throw us a curve ball by now Stryker. Something like oh say the bikers radio on up ahead and we now have to contend with a gang of Prius drivers coming down the mountain at us in the middle of the night.
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DevilNuts |
30. RE: Scenario: Raiders, Now or Later?
Sep 29 2011, 4:22 AM EDT
"Huh and here I thought you would have throw us a curve ball by now Stryker. Something like oh say the bikers radio on up ahead and we now have to contend with a gang of Prius drivers coming down the mountain at us in the middle of the night. "Bikers are one thing, but we can't contend with an army of fuel-efficient hipsters! RUN AWAY!!! 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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DevilNuts |
31. RE: Scenario: Raiders, Now or Later?
Sep 29 2011, 10:17 PM EDT
If you'd like to give us an update we can play this out.
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StrykerPez |
32. RE: Scenario: Raiders, Now or Later?
Sep 29 2011, 10:25 PM EDT
Allright. Here goes.The group agrees that the raiders are a threat and will probably try an attack tonight. Problem is, we're 20 miles away (by road), they have motorcycles, and we have a broken bus. Thoughts on sending a team straight down the mountain via footpaths? Shorter distance... And unlikely the bikers will travel on foot, they have bikes... Do you find this valuable? |
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DevilNuts |
33. RE: Scenario: Raiders, Now or Later?
Sep 29 2011, 10:51 PM EDT
If I have enough time, digging concealed fighting positions in the dark would be my first choice. - Primary positions, again with two directions of fire on the enemy approach (like the ambush scenario) - Secondary positions, to support the primary. - Range cards drawn out, sectors of fire assigned, dead space identified. - The camp itself will be fortified as a tertiary fire position, but this is not preferred. My .50 would be assigned as a Final Protective Line, in case the bikers push us beyond our tertiary positions. In this case I would prefer to use both natural and artificial obstructions to force them into a concentrated kill zone, where our heavy weapon can tear them to pieces and no cover is available for them. I think using FIRE would be advantageous here as well, but I haven't worked out the details yet as to how I would employ it. I must also remain conscious of the possibility of uninvolved survivors nearby, and the potential impact of an unrestrained wildfire on them. Do you find this valuable? |
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StrykerPez |
34. RE: Scenario: Raiders, Now or Later?
Sep 30 2011, 2:42 AM EDT
Here's the idea:I really want to know what the raiders that have just pulled into a comfy (abandoned) motel are up to sooner than later. SO... We send one volunteer down on the scout's bike with a radio and one of the better guns. He coasts down to avoid detection and hoofs it the last 200 meters. If the raiders are (hopefully) still making preparations for our gruesome death our forward observer digs in and keeps an eye on them. At this point construction of defenses around the bus should be completed and a non-combatant should be fixing the fuel tank. Strike Team Bravo should be digging in halfway down the hill and Strike Team Alpha should be well on it's way to the motel on foot. If the raiders stay put, Strike Team Alpha joins the FO and they ambush the motel. If the raiders move out before Alpha is in place, the FO will be.... screwed? Do you find this valuable? |
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DevilNuts |
35. RE: Scenario: Raiders, Now or Later?
Sep 30 2011, 3:02 AM EDT
"...I really want to know what the raiders that have just pulled into a comfy (abandoned) motel are up to sooner than later........If the raiders move out before Alpha is in place, the FO will be.... screwed? "Heh. More likely he'll be the only one who survives, and he has a motorbike to escape on :) Obviously you are using your scout to have eyes on the bad guys. So, again obviously, he should have a way to communicate back to you whatever he finds. This guy is an alert system -- he is not going to be a big part of the fight (if there is one) and it would be safest for him to just lay low and let the bad guys roll past him. I wouldn't want to use radios -- chances are, the bad guys have them, and without a back-pack radio with at least an 8-foot whip antenna, there's no way a hand-held will call back 20 miles anyway. My preferred course of action for this guy would be to attempt to (safely) disable the bikes or otherwise slow the bad guys' movement, but his PRIMARY task is to alert you when the bad guys move out. I would prefer using FIRE as a reliable signal. Not just any fire, because the bikers may decide to light a fire and send the wrong message. Must be something that you will easily identify from 20 miles away. Example (and this is right off the top of my head, there's probably a smarter way): Buckets stack. Give the scout three buckets, and a can of gasoline. He sets his buckets up about 20 feet apart, in a line, and puts some gas in each one. Once the bad guys roll out, he lights each bucket. YOUR lookout will see three tiny fires and raise the alarm. Laser pointers may also work, if you're creative about it. Fireworks or signal flares would be awesome: "Red cluster means they are coming, Blue means they are stronger than we thought. Both means I'm f*cked and TSHTF." You get the idea. Do you find this valuable? |
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DevilNuts |
36. RE: Scenario: Raiders, Now or Later?
Sep 30 2011, 3:08 AM EDT
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Something that has been nagging at me:I do believe it would be a GRAVE mistake not to assume that the bikers have sent out scouts of their own and are looking at you through a scope the same way you are watching them. Another thing that strikes me as "duh" obvious is that Motorcycles are NOT "sport" bikes -- they need roads to travel on. If you manipulate the roads, you are significantly reducing the speed and mobility of the enemy force. Conclusion: You need to be prepared for an assault on foot. The bikes may never be a part of the equation -- they may have just left them running down there with the lights on to throw you off, and are sneaking around your flank at this very moment waiting to push your sh*t in at first light. Do you find this valuable? |
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StrykerPez |
37. RE: Scenario: Raiders, Now or Later?
Sep 30 2011, 3:35 AM EDT
"...there's no way a hand-held will call back 20 miles anyway..."yeah but that's 20 miles by the mountain road... significantly shorter from top to bottom as the crow flies. In any case... This scenario comes down to how clever the bikers are. If they have brains, they will be doing the same thing we are. If they don't, they will be cleaning their guns waiting for a good time to attack, thinking we're stuck with the bus. Do you find this valuable? |
thomas13mike |
38. RE: Scenario: Raiders, Now or Later?
Sep 30 2011, 8:21 AM EDT
"yeah but that's 20 miles by the mountain road... significantly shorter from top to bottom as the crow flies.Was going to say the same thing you've got no idea who's leading the bikers... You'd have to assume the worse case scenario regardless. That's what the scouts would be for...If they started moving out on foot or on bike they could signal one way or the other... If they use some sort of signal that everyone can see they better be able to outrun whoever is sent after them. Do you find this valuable? |
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StrykerPez |
39. RE: Scenario: Raiders, Now or Later?
Oct 1 2011, 11:34 PM EDT
Looks like so far the decision is to send a scout, and two teams, while defending the bus. This will stretch our defenses thin, but hopefully the raiders are not as well rested and we triumph. Any other opinions? Do you find this valuable? |
