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Ironhex1
My survival plan
Sep 30 2011, 5:49 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 30 2011, 5:49 PM EDT
First I grab my baseball bat, my boy scout knife, a few sets of clothes, my boots and hiking backpack and get my family friends and supplies. Next I get into my family car and we drive to my summer camp. The camp is in the middle of no where, has a big resivior nearby, plenty of generators, and a farm section that can feed us. Also did i mention there is always at least 100-200 people there and in the summer there are 300+. Do you find this valuable?    
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PedroAsani
PedroAsani
1. RE: My survival plan
Sep 30 2011, 5:59 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 30 2011, 5:59 PM EDT
"First I grab my baseball bat, my boy scout knife, a few sets of clothes, my boots and hiking backpack and get my family friends and supplies. Next I get into my family car and we drive to my summer camp. The camp is in the middle of no where, has a big resivior nearby, plenty of generators, and a farm section that can feed us. Also did i mention there is always at least 100-200 people there and in the summer there are 300+. "
A few things:

Your first action looks like it occurs only when the zombies are on your doorstep. Part of the planning ahead is to ensure you get to safety with everything you need well ahead of the disaster.

You say you have supplies. What do you have so far? Any plans on expanding it?

Summer camp is one I haven't seen on here before, which is a good start. However, you then say that there are 100-200 people there year-round. What if the infection is at the camp? Myself I think I would prefer a summer camp that was closed out-of-season, and have a different place to go when it was open.
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ForsakenJames
ForsakenJames
2. RE: My survival plan
Oct 1 2011, 12:21 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 1 2011, 12:21 PM EDT
"Summer camp is one I haven't seen on here before, which is a good start. However, you then say that there are 100-200 people there year-round. What if the infection is at the camp? Myself I think I would prefer a summer camp that was closed out-of-season, and have a different place to go when it was open."
This was exactly my question. Generally, moving in a group it a good idea, but switching locations to a high-population-density are? Not so much. One person with a delayed reaction to the virus and one "love-bite" later, and you've got another 100-300 zombies after you. I'd find a country home, somewhere with a nice view so you can see them coming, a river nearby because zombies can't swim, and generally away from any highly-populated city.
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Ironhex1
3. RE: My survival plan
Oct 2 2011, 9:36 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 2 2011, 9:37 PM EDT
A few answers. One the camp is just up the road from Neversink resivior in upstate NY about 40 miles from woodstock. Second the the USED size of the camp is about 70 acres, mostly hilly and woody one main path. And third IF there are zombies there is huge hill with a few lodges on top and a mansion to hide in. Also did the words MIDDLE OF NOWHERE mean something? Go google "Neversink NY" and you will see, one two lane road and miles of rocky, hilly, woods. Do you find this valuable?    
OutlawJames
OutlawJames
4. RE: My survival plan
Oct 2 2011, 10:07 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 2 2011, 10:46 PM EDT
"A few answers. One the camp is just up the road from Neversink resivior in upstate NY about 40 miles from woodstock. Second the the USED size of the camp is about 70 acres, mostly hilly and woody one main path. And third IF there are zombies there is huge hill with a few lodges on top and a mansion to hide in. Also did the words MIDDLE OF NOWHERE mean something? Go google "Neversink NY" and you will see, one two lane road and miles of rocky, hilly, woods."
It doesnt realy mean much if there are 1-200 people there already.
If there are that many people that might be there, How many know about it?
How many will think about it as a safe place to go?
How many will get there already infected?
How many villages and towns are nearby?

Neversink is only about 75 miles from New York City.

It might balloon to well over a thousand in no time.
Be a little hard to call isolated.

What you want is the spot that is not well known, and is hard to get to.
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Ironhex1
5. RE: My survival plan
Oct 3 2011, 4:18 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 3 2011, 4:18 PM EDT
Then my back-up location comes in. Rangley Maine, a skiing town with a popular fly-fishing lake and a large skiing area and one road up the mountain. If you block the road it's doubtful that they would get past the woods with the slopes and rocks. So food and protection and maybe 1000 people but if you get to the mountain you can see the whole area with good vision. Do you find this valuable?    

Ironhex1
6. RE: My survival plan
Oct 3 2011, 4:23 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 3 2011, 4:23 PM EDT
Also for the camp the nearest town is around neversink and it's only a township AND the camp is almost 10 miles down a road to get to the center of the camp Do you find this valuable?    
OutlawJames
OutlawJames
7. RE: My survival plan
Oct 3 2011, 6:43 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 3 2011, 6:43 PM EDT
"Also for the camp the nearest town is around neversink and it's only a township AND the camp is almost 10 miles down a road to get to the center of the camp"
Yeah, granted, but people still know it is there.
Also obviously a popular destination before zedpoc...how many are going to think about getting away from the city and heading there...

Rangley sounds nice also, but it once again is a popular resort area, one of the first places people that survive will think of going..

What you want is a place people dont frequent.
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Ironhex1
8. RE: My survival plan
Oct 4 2011, 4:17 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 4 2011, 4:17 PM EDT
Rangley is the best summer location and during winter I would go to neversink Do you find this valuable?    
PedroAsani
PedroAsani
9. RE: My survival plan
Oct 4 2011, 5:14 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 4 2011, 5:14 PM EDT
"A few answers. One the camp is just up the road from Neversink resivior in upstate NY about 40 miles from woodstock. Second the the USED size of the camp is about 70 acres, mostly hilly and woody one main path. And third IF there are zombies there is huge hill with a few lodges on top and a mansion to hide in. Also did the words MIDDLE OF NOWHERE mean something? Go google "Neversink NY" and you will see, one two lane road and miles of rocky, hilly, woods."
Thanks for the location, here's a few numbers to think about.

Neversink, NY is roughly 85 miles from New York City.
It is also roughly 135 miles from Philadelphia.
It is also roughly 70 miles from Albany.
There are other population centres, plus it is on a migration route to Canada, but we will go with these three.

Populations of those three places are (metro, rounded up from last census data):

NYC, 19,000,000
Philadelphia, 6,400,000
Albany, 860,000

First, using shambling speed (16.36 miles per day), you are only days travel for a zombie from these three locations. NYC, 5.2 days. Philadelphia, 8.25 days. Albany, 4.28 days. How many zombies? Let's break these into infection percentages. 1%, 10%, 25%, 50% and 70% zombies.

NYC-------- 190,000; 1,900,000; 4,750,000; 9,500,000; 13,300,000
Philadelphia 64,000; 640,000; 1,600,000; 3,200,000; 4,480,000
Albany----------8,600; 86,000; 215,000; 430,000; 602,000

So, within 9 days travel of you are between (depending on your infection scenario) 262,600 and 18,382,000 zombies. And that is just the population centres I listed. Throw in Springfield, MA; Boston, MA; Providence, RI; and others, and you have at minimum hundreds of thousands of zombies.

Now if you follow the Chain Swarm theory, there is a good chance, some would consider it an inevitability, that a large portion of these zombies will find you. How will you cope with this?
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PedroAsani
PedroAsani
10. RE: My survival plan
Oct 4 2011, 5:24 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 4 2011, 5:24 PM EDT
A few counterpoints to your predicted arguments:

Just because you are in what you call the "middle of nowhere" doesn't mean zombies can't find you. Much like an ant colony, they don't organise a search grid. They just have numbers on their side. The archetypal moan inadvertantly signalling to others that food is nearby will only increase the chances of a Chain Swarm.

Noise carries, and in the post-Z landscape there is no background noise to drown it out. No cars on the highway, no factories, no buzzing of electricity pylons. Lights at night will be seen from miles around, and they will *be* the only lights for miles around.

Your "middle of nowhere" is on a migration route to Canada. Much like the WalMart Plan, a lot of people's first idea is to head north, let the zombies freeze and then deal with the frozen cadavers. Well you are right in the path of people from Delaware, New Jersey, east Pennsylvania and any of the eastern coastal states. That's a lot of travellers, making it a fair chance you will have refugees and zombies following these refugees. People moving make noise. Zombies following people make noise. Noise attracts zombies.

Neversink is between the two largest bodies of water in the area. People need water, so they will be attracted to the area if they have maps of any kind. Water can't be crossed easily by people or zombies, so they will need to go around it. Which means that a lot of routes will be funneled through your area, again increasing the chance you are discovered by either people or zombies. And so refugees, zombies, noise, etc.
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theman838
theman838
11. RE: My survival plan
Oct 4 2011, 10:02 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 6 2011, 6:33 PM EDT
"Thanks for the location, here's a few numbers to think about.

Neversink, NY is roughly 85 miles from New York City.
It is also roughly 135 miles from Philadelphia.
It is also roughly 70 miles from Albany.
There are other population centres, plus it is on a migration route to Canada, but we will go with these three.

Populations of those three places are (metro, rounded up from last census data):

NYC, 19,000,000
Philadelphia, 6,400,000
Albany, 860,000

First, using shambling speed (16.36 miles per day), you are only days travel for a zombie from these three locations. NYC, 5.2 days. Philadelphia, 8.25 days. Albany, 4.28 days. How many zombies? Let's break these into infection percentages. 1%, 10%, 25%, 50% and 70% zombies.

NYC-------- 190,000; 1,900,000; 4,750,000; 9,500,000; 13,300,000
Philadelphia 64,000; 640,000; 1,600,000; 3,200,000; 4,480,000
Albany----------8,600; 86,000; 215,000; 430,000; 602,000

So, within 9 days travel of you are between (depending on your infection scenario) 262,600 and 18,382,000 zombies. And that is just the population centres I listed. Throw in Springfield, MA; Boston, MA; Providence, RI; and others, and you have at minimum hundreds of thousands of zombies.

Now if you follow the Chain Swarm theory, there is a good chance, some would consider it an inevitability, that a large portion of these zombies will find you. How will you cope with this?"
I love you pedro (in the most strait way possible)
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chitoryu12
chitoryu12
12. RE: My survival plan
Oct 4 2011, 11:12 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 4 2011, 11:12 PM EDT
Also, how much safer are these areas than your house? Your house likely has far more food than you'd be able to transport to these BOLs and a farm takes some time to start up. Do you find this valuable?    
Sharpie41
Sharpie41
13. RE: My survival plan
Oct 4 2011, 11:42 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 4 2011, 11:42 PM EDT
"I love you pedro"
Umm, out of closet perhaps? I love how smart he is, well, how good he is at researching things
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ForsakenJames
ForsakenJames
14. RE: My survival plan
Oct 5 2011, 8:12 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 5 2011, 8:12 AM EDT
Not to be mean or anything, but this plan doesn't really work. You've got the basics down, weapons, food and dealing with other survivors, but in regards to finding a safe zone.....you're way off.

I think I'll make a topic on it--places not to go during the zombie outbreak. Basically anywhere that would be likely to have a large (100+ people) population, or be relatively close (100> Miles/KM/whatever) to a major population center.
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Ironhex1
15. RE: My survival plan
Oct 5 2011, 9:49 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 5 2011, 9:49 PM EDT
To answer many questions
1. I live in NYC so I HAVE to get out of my house
2.IF you read #5 you should know I have a backup plan to go to rangeley maine. 3 hours from boston and maybe 6 hours from NYC DRIVING.
3. if things get tough I have a fallback position up the mountain in rangley.
4.The whole area is mountainy and woody.
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chitoryu12
chitoryu12
16. RE: My survival plan
Oct 5 2011, 10:01 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 5 2011, 10:01 PM EDT
Have you ever lived in the mountains on a farm before? Do you find this valuable?    

Ironhex1
17. RE: My survival plan
Oct 6 2011, 5:54 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 6 2011, 5:54 PM EDT
nope! time to learn stuff!!! Do you find this valuable?    
PedroAsani
PedroAsani
18. RE: My survival plan
Oct 6 2011, 7:04 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 6 2011, 7:04 PM EDT
"2.IF you read #5 you should know I have a backup plan to go to rangeley maine. 3 hours from boston and maybe 6 hours from NYC DRIVING."
144 miles from Montreal. 8.8 days shambling travel. Population 3,640,000.
181 miles from Boston. 11 days shambling travel. Population 7,610,000.

Albany is 222 miles, 13.56 days shambling travel.
New York City, 338 miles. 20.66 days shambling travel.

Now the further you get from the population centres, the longer it will be before a Chain Swarm can find you, longer before it can reach you, and likely to be fewer zombies in the Swarm. However, you are still accessible to them. You are again near large fresh water sources, making it likely that other refugees will find you.

I'm not poking holes in your plan to be a d*ck about it. These are things that everyone will have to deal with. But part of developing a large plan is accommodating more variables. And acknowledging the sheer scale of the problems is an important part. When you start talking about large numbers of people, the logistics of food, water, housing, security perimeters and waste management all need to be addressed.
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Uzzgub
Uzzgub
19. RE: My survival plan
Oct 8 2011, 12:39 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 8 2011, 12:39 AM EDT
"144 miles from Montreal. 8.8 days shambling travel. Population 3,640,000.
181 miles from Boston. 11 days shambling travel. Population 7,610,000.

Albany is 222 miles, 13.56 days shambling travel.
New York City, 338 miles. 20.66 days shambling travel.

Now the further you get from the population centres, the longer it will be before a Chain Swarm can find you, longer before it can reach you, and likely to be fewer zombies in the Swarm. However, you are still accessible to them. You are again near large fresh water sources, making it likely that other refugees will find you."
Pedro i love the fact that you can be bothared to work this stuff out =)

but i hate the fact that you have just made me aware of the fact that in less then 10 days i could (in theroy) have the entire population of England and Whales (all the way up to the boarder with Scottland) at me fort =.(
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