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KoRnZombie |
20. RE: Mall Survival
Oct 8 2011, 2:31 PM EDT
I live in a pretty small town, maybe a few thousand people at most. Most people around here wouldn't go for guns, first of all very few know about the guns there and second, most of the people around town are against people owning, let alon using, guns. They'd be trying to talk to the zombies, and the mall's usually pretty abandoned other than on the weekends or during holiday shopping. As I said before, I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm just trying to get the point across that my family's pretty poorly-prepared for any type of invasion, let alone a zombie invasion of apocalyptic size..
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tvercetti1 |
21. RE: Mall Survival
Oct 8 2011, 7:10 PM EDT
"I don't know how big your town is. but you have to also think about how many other people are going to be going after those guns. And they probably already have guns to take them with. So laying low might be your best bet."I have to agree and since I am in a pretty decent sized city, well... I have to say that unless I absolutely must leave my house, lying low for awhile would probably be ideal for me. Now of course, in the great white north I dont even think half of the folks up here know where a gun store even is. I know where pretty much all of them are in my city. I doubt hardly anyone except those with guts would go to a bunch of gun stores hoping to get inside. Now of course I could be wrong but I think most folks would probably be focused on trying to get out of the city, not arming themselves. Do you find this valuable? |
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CDSm101-800s |
22. RE: Mall Survival
Oct 8 2011, 8:42 PM EDT
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Keeping off the zombie radar is the best approach.The problem with gunstores has been explored in detail on several other threads. Basically, expect to find the place occupied with a determined defense from the owners, police with orders to shoot looters, other trigger happy surviviors, frenzied and panicky looters and/or all of the above. Add in a liberal helping of zombies that are bound to be drawn by all the noise and action.. your gonna be eyes deep in you know what real fast. You got to remember that where ever the panic sends the sheeple.. the zombies will be shambling and moaning right behind them. The best plan is when you see groups of ppls all heading to one spot, head in a different direction. Also, never underestimate the stupidity of ppls, especially in large groups. The herd mentality will send the lemmings to any place where they think they can find food, water, safety or shelter. Just imagine for a moment actually getting to the gunstore first, then having to fight off the scared frenzied, panicking, hysterical mobs and then the zombies right behind them... good luck. Do you find this valuable? |
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tvercetti1 |
23. RE: Mall Survival
Oct 8 2011, 9:51 PM EDT
"Keeping off the zombie radar is the best approach.You make good points but I have to counter them because things up here are drastically different. Police are stretched (at least in my city they are) to the very limits of what they can handle and barely have a few extra officers if needed to deal with whatever. They WILL NOT be deployed to guard gunstores and instead will be dispatched to deal with what emergency dispatchers think are disturbances and fights. So with that said, gun store owners are also members of the public. Just like you and I and are still susceptable to infection and/OR attack. When people panic|, Not a whole lot of people think about going to gun stores up here and why should they? If they already have guns, why bother? They got some so they'll just get out of dodge. Doesn't make ANY sense even for total idiots to just stick around the danger areas. Do you find this valuable? |
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24. RE: Mall Survival
Oct 8 2011, 9:59 PM EDT
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Yes the mob mentality and all that stuff has great and true influence on people but they will be focused on getting the hell out of the city. Like I said, most people around where I live dont know where a gun store is or even a store where they sell ammo. Sad I know but it's true. So I know the odds are that either everyone will be dead, dying, a zombie or a lucky survivor and I am not expecting there to be hardly any survivors because pretty much no one in my whole neighborhood has even enough to last them 72 hours without food, water, electricity, heat and cable. Yes I have asked around and pretty much everyone thinks I am nuts and no one around here takes the 72 hour disaster kit thing seriously at all. That was quite disturbing considering how much money was spent on advertising to encourage people to get prepared. I am not expecting very many people other than myself and a handful of friends to survive this when it happens anyways. Of course, maybe there will be more survivors but will anyone think of guns when all hell breaks loose? Hardly anyone does where I live. They just want to leave the city. I know it seems counter to what alot of people have said on various threads but I do have serious doubts because I have surveyed people on what they would do in a disaster. I didn't ask them what they would do in case of zombies (obviously because I have enough people saying "No thanks" or "You're crazy! Nothing is ever going to happen to us" and whatever else already without asking Z-Day questions) but I have gone around a bit and asked some people. No one seems to care or think that something can happen. I asked the store owner when the last time was that he sold a disaster kit of any kind. He told me to look at all the dust sitting on top of the damn things. So there you have it. Do you find this valuable? |
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KoRnZombie |
25. RE: Mall Survival
Oct 9 2011, 10:04 AM EDT
I agree with you tvercertty1, the police where I live would be too streched out to defend the store, and the owners aren't there because it's a chain store. They just run it, the only ones there would be employees that would run away at the first sign of danger. My town would be crowded with people trying to escape, which I would probably be among if I stayed with my family and we'd all get bitten turn into zombies.
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Ulysees73 |
26. RE: Mall Survival
Oct 9 2011, 1:43 PM EDT
"Yes the mob mentality and all that stuff has great and true influence on people but they will be focused on getting the hell out of the city. "I agree tvercetti, most people who haven't read this site, previously myself included, would be concentrated on getting out of town. Of course they won't be able to do this because of road conditions, but they'll try. Stores, including malls, will not be affected to the extent that must people think they will imo, which means that once things settle down they may be a place to scavenge. This doesn't mean by any means that you should rely on this, for all we no the exact opposite might happen. P.S. thank you for saying so Bond. Do you find this valuable? |
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tvercetti1 |
27. RE: Mall Survival
Oct 9 2011, 2:50 PM EDT
"They just run it, the only ones there would be employees that would run away at the first sign of danger. My town would be crowded with people trying to escape..."I agree with what both of you said, KoRnZombie and Ulysees. And further, why would the gun store employees stick around the store? They got a family to look after so it would a heck of alot more sense to lock up the shop and head home or to where ever their loved ones or friends are. Why stick around if everyone else is dead or trying to kill you? Its just logic and survival instinct to get the hell out of dodge. I think most stores my remain largely intact with some supplies inside. Now of course like you said, Ulysees... definitely NOT something to rely on but if the hordes force WHAT IS LEFT of the survivors (again, I am thinking probably 1 out of 200 people would actually survive once things have really gone bad. Just a rough guess though folks.) why not try and get out of the city? Wouldn't that be a tad easier? Leave the zombies in charge of the city and be safe out in the country? Sure seems that way to me. Do you find this valuable? |
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28. RE: Mall Survival
Oct 9 2011, 4:22 PM EDT
"You make good points but I have to counter them because things up here are drastically different. Police are stretched (at least in my city they are) to the very limits of what they can handle and barely have a few extra officers if needed to deal with whatever. They WILL NOT be deployed to guard gunstores and instead will be dispatched to deal with what emergency dispatchers think are disturbances and fights.Things are a little different all over. Here first sign of trouble a car is sent to every place that sells guns and every registered dealer/collector. Where the sheeple run to will depend alot on how well the infection is spreading and if any particular spot seems better than where they are. A good chunk will start thinking that the gun laws are rather stupid and will start to go looking for one. I agree the smart ones will just get out of dodge. I also agree that it does not make sense for total idiots to just stick around the danger areas... But some proably will... My only point was to point out how idiotic the idea might seem without proper forethought. My main theory is that if you do not have what you need now.. your not going to be able to get it come apoc day. Better have a rifle now and plenty of ammo, cause the debit line is going to be down. The first sign of anything funny goin on and I am BOBing my @ss out of here and not stoppin til I hit my intial BOL. I am not planning on hitting the local gun store on the way out of town. LOL! Do you find this valuable? |
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29. RE: Mall Survival
Oct 9 2011, 4:26 PM EDT
"Yes the mob mentality and all that stuff has great and true influence on people but they will be focused on getting the hell out of the city. Like I said, most people around where I live dont know where a gun store is or even a store where they sell ammo. Sad I know but it's true. So I know the odds are that either everyone will be dead, dying, a zombie or a lucky survivor and I am not expecting there to be hardly any survivors because pretty much no one in my whole neighborhood has even enough to last them 72 hours without food, water, electricity, heat and cable. Yes I have asked around and pretty much everyone thinks I am nuts and no one around here takes the 72 hour disaster kit thing seriously at all. That was quite disturbing considering how much money was spent on advertising to encourage people to get prepared.True for the most part. But homicidal undead cannibals running or shambling around things will go a little different.. Do you find this valuable? |
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30. RE: Mall Survival
Oct 9 2011, 4:32 PM EDT
"I agree tvercetti, most people who haven't read this site, previously myself included, would be concentrated on getting out of town. Of course they won't be able to do this because of road conditions, but they'll try. Stores, including malls, will not be affected to the extent that must people think they will imo, which means that once things settle down they may be a place to scavenge. This doesn't mean by any means that you should rely on this, for all we no the exact opposite might happen.For the most part that would be true. Things get iffy when you have hordes of undead wandering about chewing on ppls. Another point to consider is that the ppls who may be heading there are not from around town. Perhaps fleeing an area already infected and looking for supplies and/or weapons. Perhaps other survivors will head there and form some sort of community militia to help put the undead down. The big problem is too many unknowns. Do you find this valuable? |
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31. RE: Mall Survival
Oct 9 2011, 4:38 PM EDT
"I agree with what both of you said, KoRnZombie and Ulysees.The big chain stores would prolly be less defended, but most of the places that sell firearms around here are family owned. Risky at the best of times.. If I was working at a gunstore, I imagine that I would already have what I need at home and would not need to head there. If I was on the job when undead things start showing up.. then I would hunker down and expend a ton of ammo thinning them out enough to make a run for it. Unfortunately, you can never totally account for stupidity, and there is bound to be either an employee, owner, or some other survivor setting up shop there. One intereting point tho. If I was the guy Andy in the remake of Dawn of the Dead, I would have used up 90% of my ammo picking off the undead in the parking lot. Use up the small caliber stuff first. Basically thin them out enough to get the heck out of there instead of starving while sitting on top of tons of ammo.... Which leaves another reason to avoid them.. no food there.. Do you find this valuable? |
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32. RE: Mall Survival
Oct 9 2011, 4:42 PM EDT
"True for the most part. But homicidal undead cannibals running or shambling around things will go a little different.."Alright I agree with you 100% there but who in their right mind is literally gonna believe that homicidal cannibals are running around everywhere? Even though I have been a member of the site for awhile now, I still wouldn't believe it if someone came to my door and starting pounding on it shouting and screaming. So with that said, do you think anyone else would believe it? Do you think the news crews and authorities are going to believe it? No they simply will not. They will send out the cops out to deal with what they think are fights or crazy people attacking each other. I'll be honest with you. If I was a cop and someone flagged me down and told me there are bunch of folks goin at it, I'd call it in as a fight and deal with it as such. Nobody is really gonna believe it right away anyways. Even if they see it with their own eyes, are they going to be in their right frame/state of mind? They most certainly will not be. That said, who knows. Also, the infection itself must be factored in. If the infection spreads faster than greased lightening and the only folks that are immune are those who are for whatever reason naturally or otherwise immune to infection, then really the only worries I will have are barricading up the house fast enough and hoping I can stave off infection or am myself immune from it. My mindset is this: It will be real fast. Most people wont show any symptoms for maybe even up to an entire month but after that, they are all "ticking time bombs" for lack of a better term. Or, maybe... thanks to mass transit, it spreads real fast and one day, you get bit in a barfight and the next you are in ICU about to reanimate. Okay, I know that's from 'Dawn Of The Dead' (2004) but it is a possibility. I mean, the only way we'll find out is when it happens. Do you find this valuable? |
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KoRnZombie |
33. RE: Mall Survival
Oct 9 2011, 4:54 PM EDT
Yeah, it depends on the infection. If it only hits a few people and only spreads through being bitten and no one's immune, then it's different than having it affect everyone other than people who are somehow immune. I personally think it's going to affect a small group of people and spread through people getting bitten.
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tvercetti1 |
34. RE: Mall Survival
Oct 9 2011, 5:04 PM EDT
"Yeah, it depends on the infection. If it only hits a few people and only spreads through being bitten and no one's immune, then it's different than having it affect everyone other than people who are somehow immune. I personally think it's going to affect a small group of people and spread through people getting bitten."Well either way, in the beggining, it will be a small group. After that though, thanks to mass transit, we're all f***ed! Do you find this valuable? |
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KoRnZombie |
35. RE: Mall Survival
Oct 9 2011, 8:49 PM EDT
To Hell with mass transit! That's why I only use buses and subways when I desperately need to. It's a waste of time and money when you could either walk or buy your own vehicle. Over all the years (about 10 if you REALLY take care of your car) you're paying to take the bus, you could spend that money one one reliable vehicle that will take care of you when the apocalypse comes.
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tvercetti1 |
36. RE: Mall Survival
Oct 9 2011, 9:02 PM EDT
"To Hell with mass transit! That's why I only use buses and subways when I desperately need to. It's a waste of time and money when you could either walk or buy your own vehicle. Over all the years (about 10 if you REALLY take care of your car) you're paying to take the bus, you could spend that money one one reliable vehicle that will take care of you when the apocalypse comes."Well I was actually referring to airtravel. Cruise ships and that sort of thing. I mean, it's so easy for someone to go from say Europe to Asia and wherever else. Thats what I was getting at. Not your local transit. Do you find this valuable? |
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37. RE: Mall Survival
Oct 10 2011, 12:52 AM EDT
"Alright I agree with you 100% there but who in their right mind is literally gonna believe that homicidal cannibals are running around everywhere? Even though I have been a member of the site for awhile now, I still wouldn't believe it if someone came to my door and starting pounding on it shouting and screaming.Yeah, I once saw a guy staggering around at 1 in the morning with his arms out from his sides, just like in Night of the Living dead.. Drunk or something.. Stopped at a red light and just watched him thinkin...nah..... nah.... nah... can't be... nah.. nah.. Did drive straight home tho and listened for awhile to the news etc.. was a kinda wierd experience.. I know reanimation is impossible biologically, I am in the medical field, and I would truely have a hard time fully believing it myself. But I can say for certain if anything that was clinically dead got up and started walking around.. I would be long long gone before it got anywhere near where I was standing.. The worst senario is being in a small town near a big city where an outbreak has occured.. large influx of ppls fleeing the city, scared, hungry, and looking for shelter. Some infected, others trying to buy or fight over food and water at the local store. Just plain anarchy. I remember how some ppls reacted to katrina, squabbling over food and water etc. Now imagine all those ppls fleeing into your town, zombies moaning and shambling, following behind them. I think a lot of ppls will just get killed cause they refuse to believe, or act prudently to protect themselves and their property. They die and become more zombies.. and then they bite two friends.. and they bite two friends.. panic is gonna set in.. I hope to GOOD by then.. GETTING OUT OF DODGE.. lol. Do you find this valuable? |
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38. RE: Mall Survival
Oct 10 2011, 1:19 AM EDT
"I know reanimation is impossible biologically, I am in the medical field, and I would truely have a hard time fully believing it myself. But I can say for certain if anything that was clinically dead got up and started walking around.. I would be long long gone before it got anywhere near where I was standing.."Well, I wouldn't be so quick to say that. You never know what's out there. You don't know how it could happen. I personally do think it would be because of a virus that mutated and made everyone go f***ing psycho and presto! Zombies walk the earth. But, to have at the statement you made about it being biologically impossible. How then do you think it could happen? I know there's voodoo, acts of GOD which could maybe reanimate a corpse but I am trying to think of what else besides biologically that a corpse would rise and start chasing after warm flesh. What else could result in zombies? And yes. If I saw someone in a body bag suddenly get up and start trying to eat someone through the body bag, I'd be haulin' ass real fast trying to get the hell out of there any way I could! The only other thing I can think of to MAYBE reanimate a corpse is either one helluva curse or a magic spell of some sort. Now of all those, I think biological is the least worrysome though extremely concerning already and bad enough to try and deal with without some hokum and spell-casting s*** thrown in. Maybe Harry Potter or some student at Hogwarts f***ed up a spell RRRREEEEEAAAAAALLLL BAD and zombies are the result LOL! Do you find this valuable? |
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39. RE: Mall Survival
Oct 10 2011, 2:02 AM EDT
The concept of natural or supernatural zombies is neither here nor there for me but what really scares me is the idea that 1.It could be man made 2. That some one for sure would find a way to weaponized it 3. They same people that made it and weaponized it would most likely try it out to see how well it works Just think of some engineered virus that caused rage and sociopath behavior then release it on the masses I would wonder why they did it and the only reason i could think of is 1. They were completely insane 2. It was a global decision by the main players who are now safely deep underground in secure facilities away from the horror and anarchy they unleashed on the global population for reasons know only to them Do you find this valuable? |