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tvercetti1
tvercetti1
40. RE: Mall Survival
Oct 10 2011, 2:10 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 10 2011, 2:10 AM EDT
"1.It could be man made
2. That some one for sure would find a way to weaponized it"
Now either one of those scare the hell out of me.

Frightening possibilities, though.
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CDSm101-800s
CDSm101-800s
41. RE: Mall Survival
Oct 10 2011, 8:40 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 10 2011, 8:40 AM EDT
"Well, I wouldn't be so quick to say that. You never know what's out there. You don't know how it could happen. I personally do think it would be because of a virus that mutated and made everyone go f***ing psycho and presto! Zombies walk the earth.

But, to have at the statement you made about it being biologically impossible. How then do you think it could happen? I know there's voodoo, acts of GOD which could maybe reanimate a corpse but I am trying to think of what else besides biologically that a corpse would rise and start chasing after warm flesh.

What else could result in zombies?

And yes. If I saw someone in a body bag suddenly get up and start trying to eat someone through the body bag, I'd be haulin' ass real fast trying to get the hell out of there any way I could! The only other thing I can think of to MAYBE reanimate a corpse is either one helluva curse or a magic spell of some sort.

Now of all those, I think biological is the least worrysome though extremely concerning already and bad enough to try and deal with without some hokum and spell-casting s*** thrown in.

Maybe Harry Potter or some student at Hogwarts f***ed up a spell RRRREEEEEAAAAAALLLL BAD and zombies are the result LOL!"
I will agree that devine intervention could certainly cause the dead to walk, I won't agrue that point lol. But a dead body cannot move of it's own accord. Simply not possible. Some outside force would be required for that.

A "Rage" virus type is plausible, where the body is still alive, but the brain is psychotic. Whether fast or simply slow shamblers.. they would still be a huge problem to deal with.
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CDSm101-800s
CDSm101-800s
42. RE: Mall Survival
Oct 10 2011, 8:50 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 10 2011, 8:50 AM EDT
"The concept of natural or supernatural zombies is neither here nor there for me but what really scares me is the idea that
1.It could be man made
2. That some one for sure would find a way to weaponized it
3. They same people that made it and weaponized it would most likely try it out to see how well it works

Just think of some engineered virus that caused rage and sociopath behavior then release it on the masses
I would wonder why they did it and the only reason i could think of is
1. They were completely insane
2. It was a global decision by the main players who are now safely deep underground in secure facilities away from the horror and anarchy they unleashed on the global population for reasons know only to them"
LOL!

It would not surprise me at all, if your fear is well founded. Just look at what they are doing to the economy....

The worst thing is having some moron experimenting with that kinda crap and it is accidently released. Talk about Pandora's box.....
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tvercetti1
tvercetti1
43. RE: Mall Survival
Oct 10 2011, 1:51 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 10 2011, 1:51 PM EDT
"LOL!

It would not surprise me at all, if your fear is well founded. Just look at what they are doing to the economy....

The worst thing is having some moron experimenting with that kinda crap and it is accidently released. Talk about Pandora's box..... "
Well that's why I think that the poor folks living near the CDC center would probably be screwed first. I mean, that's basically Pandora's box right there so to speak. Also, folks living near hospitals will probably have additional concerns as well. I mean, anyone can just waltz into a hospital carrying who knows what and then boom. All hell breaks loose.

I do believe a virus could reanimate a body of someone who was not just clinically but positively dead. It would of course have to have the ability to repair it's own host and transmit easily from say, a source to a host.

I think that a virus which has a very elaborate ability to repair its host or at least activate the repair functions of its host (as in the Nerotonin-4 virus from 'Dead Frontier' for example) may be possible. A very frightening prospect to say the least though.

I think it is indeed possible but to actually succeed in making such a virus? The one weapon which could and probably will come close to wiping humanity off the face of the earth? I mean, that would take one helluva monster or evil kind of person to do that.

Or maybe a virus evolves or changes or a new strand of a virus. One of the such viruses I was curious about was have say the rabies virus and it mutates somehow so it infects humans and on a global scale. Say it meshes with the flu virus somehow and you then have a very easy-to-transmit virus with seemingly no end of hosts.

A nightmare and-a-half if ever I did think of one.
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CDSm101-800s
CDSm101-800s
44. RE: Mall Survival
Oct 10 2011, 3:39 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 10 2011, 3:39 PM EDT
"Well that's why I think that the poor folks living near the CDC center would probably be screwed first. I mean, that's basically Pandora's box right there so to speak. Also, folks living near hospitals will probably have additional concerns as well. I mean, anyone can just waltz into a hospital carrying who knows what and then boom. All hell breaks loose.

I do believe a virus could reanimate a body of someone who was not just clinically but positively dead. It would of course have to have the ability to repair it's own host and transmit easily from say, a source to a host.

I think that a virus which has a very elaborate ability to repair its host or at least activate the repair functions of its host (as in the Nerotonin-4 virus from 'Dead Frontier' for example) may be possible. A very frightening prospect to say the least though.

I think it is indeed possible but to actually succeed in making such a virus? The one weapon which could and probably will come close to wiping humanity off the face of the earth? I mean, that would take one helluva monster or evil kind of person to do that.

Or maybe a virus evolves or changes or a new strand of a virus. One of the such viruses I was curious about was have say the rabies virus and it mutates somehow so it infects humans and on a global scale. Say it meshes with the flu virus somehow and you then have a very easy-to-transmit virus with seemingly no end of hosts.

A nightmare and-a-half if ever I did think of one."
I agree about being too near any place where sick ppls are brought. We are all to often running into simple bacteria which is virtually immune to the most potent anti-biotics we can wield. Despite the best efforts to quarentine the patients, our best attempts to minimalize inter-patient contact and our exhaustive measures to decontaminate ourselves and equipment, ppls are still getting infected/dying from these germs..
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CDSm101-800s
CDSm101-800s
45. RE: Mall Survival
Oct 10 2011, 3:57 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 10 2011, 3:57 PM EDT
We are even seeing how some STDs that were easily treated only a decade ago, are now turning up strains that are virturally immune to all anti-biotics.

Another concern is the hap-hazzard approach to genetic engineering companies are employing. Kinda shoot the genes in and see what happens. Easy enough to have one that is bad, escape, mutate and then everybody is going to have a real bad day.

It does not matter if it is a bacteria or virus if that happens....

The dead simply cannot be revived. Too many processes at work once the body dies. For instance, once rigor mortis wears off, the muscles themselves have already begun to be broken down by enzymes in the body. Eventually they are totally destroyed.

Also, once a cell dies, there is virtually no way to restart it. The chemical processes of life cease to opperate cellular wide. Once the heart stops, and blood oxygen lvls become non existant, the chain of life stops dead.

A person can appear to be clinically dead, tho still living, kinda like being in a coma, and could then appear to "reanimate". In this I am reminded of the process of making a voodoo zombie... A virus or bacteria, or even a parasite, like the one fungus that infects zombie ants could plausibly create flesh eating cannibal zombies. Although not truely dead, they would still be a problem.

I mean it would be neat to have the dead walk get up and all... but without something going horribly wrong.. IE: your bad Harry Potter spell, or some supernatural force it is not going to happen. And if it did.. I seriously doubt the "neatness" would last very long once they prove to be not so friendly..
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Ulysees73
Ulysees73
46. RE: Mall Survival
Oct 10 2011, 4:08 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 10 2011, 4:08 PM EDT
"Or maybe a virus evolves or changes or a new strand of a virus. One of the such viruses I was curious about was have say the rabies virus and it mutates somehow so it infects humans and on a global scale. Say it meshes with the flu virus somehow and you then have a very easy-to-transmit virus with seemingly no end of hosts. "
I've thought of this after seeing the movie Contagion. In the movie, SPOILER ALERT, it takes the cdc and world health organization something like 130 days to create a vaccine, and that's just with people that get sick, not become zombies and infect and kill others. I think tens of millions of people were killed by the virus, but i could be off. If this kind of virus was to combine with the zed virus, i don't think anything would be able to stop it.

Now of course this was just a movie and could be completely impossible, but it gives you something to think about.
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tvercetti1
tvercetti1
47. RE: Mall Survival
Oct 10 2011, 5:38 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 10 2011, 5:38 PM EDT
"I mean it would be neat to have the dead walk get up and all... but without something going horribly wrong.. IE: your bad Harry Potter spell, or some supernatural force it is not going to happen. And if it did.. I seriously doubt the "neatness" would last very long once they prove to be not so friendly.."
Well it all depends on how soon after the person dies that the virus takes over. In the case of zombie infection, a "good" virus (well, speaking from the perspective that the virus is real fast and elaborate) would take over almost immediately after the victim dies, thus avoiding to whatever extent cellular breakdown to which you refer to. I mean, okay it seems far off and to that I agree without a doubt.

I prefer to address that though by looking at it this way: Maybe such a virus already exists. Maybe it's just been buried or frozen in the glaciers or whatever for thousands of years or something. Not that I wish to take a page from the Zombie Survival Guide because I dont like the book. BUT... if that was true and we have in our history already encountered what we would call zombies here in the modern day, then history really does repeat itself.

I dont claim to know whether that is true or not. IF however it is (pretty big "IF" for ya) then we got some serious problems ahead.

So if, right after the heart has stopped, if the virus then took over the functions of the body and began whatever it is designed to do, we would basically have a zombie on our hands.

Think of this: How many secret or hidden labs are there in the world? How many black projects are out there that have been covered up in concern to biological weapons? There's got to be thousands of things that we dont know about that COULD DAMN WELL kill us all real fast. There has to be a ton of labs out there. Maybe the not so secret ones make something that gets out there and then everybody is basically screwed.
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tvercetti1
tvercetti1
48. RE: Mall Survival
Oct 10 2011, 5:48 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 10 2011, 5:48 PM EDT
"I've thought of this after seeing the movie Contagion. In the movie, SPOILER ALERT, it takes the cdc and world health organization something like 130 days to create a vaccine, and that's just with people that get sick, not become zombies and infect and kill others. I think tens of millions of people were killed by the virus, but i could be off. If this kind of virus was to combine with the zed virus, i don't think anything would be able to stop it.

Now of course this was just a movie and could be completely impossible, but it gives you something to think about. "
Well the movie Contagion was exactly was I was getting at. I don't think for one second it would be impossible for rabies to jump from, say the canine species over to us at all. All it takes is a few determined scientists playing God or maybe it will just happen naturally by the virus evolving or the virus mutates or gets changed somehow.

Biological weapons are out there, folks. I dont even want to guess how many. At least with chemicle weapons, its reasonably easy to protect yourself and know what to do. With nuclear weapons, either you wont even feel it or you get away from the fallout or hunker down.

Biological is so much harder because you never know if you dont already have a bug inside you. So with that in mind... your expensive containment suit might not even be any good. You just dont know. You could already be infected.

I think that if a virus was already inside a host and somehow managed to activate the functions of the brain such as motor skills WITHIN a certain amount of time (which is basically all you need anyways for a zombie) we would have a very serious problem on our hands, folks. We really would.

I know cellular decomposition occurs very fast after someone dies so the virus would have to be both elaborate and sophisticated in its abilities and functions and of course it would have to be able to do a myriad of things.
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CDSm101-800s
CDSm101-800s
49. RE: Mall Survival
Oct 10 2011, 9:58 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 10 2011, 9:58 PM EDT
"I've thought of this after seeing the movie Contagion. In the movie, SPOILER ALERT, it takes the cdc and world health organization something like 130 days to create a vaccine, and that's just with people that get sick, not become zombies and infect and kill others. I think tens of millions of people were killed by the virus, but i could be off. If this kind of virus was to combine with the zed virus, i don't think anything would be able to stop it.

Now of course this was just a movie and could be completely impossible, but it gives you something to think about. "
Another good example of a natural virus causing worldwide problems is from a BBC series shot in 1975 called Survivors. It can get a little stupid at times with the drama, but the entire sickness concept is very plausible..

Here is a link to the beginning of part one, from the first series. I think you can watch the whole episode there and a few more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak1SrFGXgA4&feature=related
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CDSm101-800s
CDSm101-800s
50. RE: Mall Survival
Oct 10 2011, 10:08 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 10 2011, 10:08 PM EDT
"Well the movie Contagion was exactly was I was getting at. I don't think for one second it would be impossible for rabies to jump from, say the canine species over to us at all. All it takes is a few determined scientists playing God or maybe it will just happen naturally by the virus evolving or the virus mutates or gets changed somehow.

Biological weapons are out there, folks. I dont even want to guess how many. At least with chemicle weapons, its reasonably easy to protect yourself and know what to do. With nuclear weapons, either you wont even feel it or you get away from the fallout or hunker down.

Biological is so much harder because you never know if you dont already have a bug inside you. So with that in mind... your expensive containment suit might not even be any good. You just dont know. You could already be infected.

I think that if a virus was already inside a host and somehow managed to activate the functions of the brain such as motor skills WITHIN a certain amount of time (which is basically all you need anyways for a zombie) we would have a very serious problem on our hands, folks. We really would.

I know cellular decomposition occurs very fast after someone dies so the virus would have to be both elaborate and sophisticated in its abilities and functions and of course it would have to be able to do a myriad of things."
I doubt anything thing is out there hidden or anything yet. I am more concerned about the little understood genetic manipulation of bio-organisms. As I mentioned earlier, it would really suck if eating something like that causes a mutation or whatever. Literally ending up with killer tomatoes or something. I wonder who tests the stuff..

But they are using viruses now to do genetic manipulation in humans... known as gene therapy. One random mutation...

Cellular death is rather rapid.. soon as the stored oxygen content is used up.
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renet76
renet76
51. RE: Mall Survival
Oct 11 2011, 7:00 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 11 2011, 7:00 AM EDT
Its kind of ironic that with all of our modern medicine nature always finds away to fight back at what ever we do
We make a vaccine the virus mutates we make a new vaccine it mutates again and so it goes on

The one that i keep a close eye on because i feel it poses the greatest risk of a global pandemic with a very high body count is the H5 N1 or commonly know as Avian influenza ( bird flu)
The day it mutates and allows consisted human to human transmission its going to get rough and a lot of people will be infected before governments can react quickly enough to stop its spread on a global scale

In 2006 there was a quite siting of government and one of the things they did was ratify the emergency powers act removing the right to every person to a separate grave. Now its legal under the emergency powers act to use mass graves and to enforce mandatory home quarantine of the whole population and to stop all forms of travel unless approved by the government.
There was a whole bunch of things passed without public discussion. Some of it was leaked onto the net but it was quickly pulled down before to many people got on to it
What they are really doing is making sure order is maintained because once people know who is getting the vaccine all hell will break lose. It kind of hard to explain to an angry mob why a politician and his golf buddies get a needle while your family dies
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CDSm101-800s
CDSm101-800s
52. RE: Mall Survival
Oct 11 2011, 10:22 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 11 2011, 10:22 AM EDT
"Its kind of ironic that with all of our modern medicine nature always finds away to fight back at what ever we do
We make a vaccine the virus mutates we make a new vaccine it mutates again and so it goes on

The one that i keep a close eye on because i feel it poses the greatest risk of a global pandemic with a very high body count is the H5 N1 or commonly know as Avian influenza ( bird flu)
The day it mutates and allows consisted human to human transmission its going to get rough and a lot of people will be infected before governments can react quickly enough to stop its spread on a global scale

In 2006 there was a quite siting of government and one of the things they did was ratify the emergency powers act removing the right to every person to a separate grave. Now its legal under the emergency powers act to use mass graves and to enforce mandatory home quarantine of the whole population and to stop all forms of travel unless approved by the government.
There was a whole bunch of things passed without public discussion. Some of it was leaked onto the net but it was quickly pulled down before to many people got on to it
What they are really doing is making sure order is maintained because once people know who is getting the vaccine all hell will break lose. It kind of hard to explain to an angry mob why a politician and his golf buddies get a needle while your family dies"
Hmmmm any more information on this?
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Uzzgub
Uzzgub
53. RE: Mall Survival
Oct 11 2011, 1:44 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 11 2011, 1:44 PM EDT
The thing that worries me the most, is what happens if the Zombie virus actualy starts life as something like a cure for cancer or HIV (or anything like bird flu) because the company that makes it will have exported it to alot of countries, and would have been given to alot of people before any problems are noticed Do you find this valuable?    
tvercetti1
tvercetti1
54. RE: Mall Survival
Oct 11 2011, 2:07 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 11 2011, 2:07 PM EDT
"The thing that worries me the most, is what happens if the Zombie virus actualy starts life as something like a cure for cancer or HIV (or anything like bird flu) because the company that makes it will have exported it to alot of countries, and would have been given to alot of people before any problems are noticed"
Well thasts basically what happened in 'I Am Legend'

Yes that would be real scary too.

I mean, how many people do you think are playing GOD right this very moment? Has to be at least in the hundreds of thousands.
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renet76
renet76
55. RE: Mall Survival
Oct 11 2011, 11:00 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 11 2011, 11:00 PM EDT
"Hmmmm any more information on this?"
No problem
just give me some time find the right links and i will post them here the only part i wont be able to supply a link to is the amendments to the emergency powers act as you need a to be a registered user now to access that part even the site that is free to the public was made tighter to access after the 2006 amendments but most of it is still open to the public under the freedom of information act. the rest of the federal government pandemic planning is open to the public including the parts about enforced home quarantine

All so should note that this only applies to Australia i am not sure of other countries
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CDSm101-800s
CDSm101-800s
56. RE: Mall Survival
Oct 12 2011, 11:03 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 12 2011, 11:03 AM EDT
"No problem
just give me some time find the right links and i will post them here the only part i wont be able to supply a link to is the amendments to the emergency powers act as you need a to be a registered user now to access that part even the site that is free to the public was made tighter to access after the 2006 amendments but most of it is still open to the public under the freedom of information act. the rest of the federal government pandemic planning is open to the public including the parts about enforced home quarantine

All so should note that this only applies to Australia i am not sure of other countries"
Just makes me wonder... I bet you Aussies did not come up with that idea for any old reason.. I will also wager that your gov is not the only one who came up same idea.

Now that is an interesting concept..
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Uzzgub
Uzzgub
57. RE: Mall Survival
Oct 12 2011, 3:04 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 12 2011, 3:04 PM EDT
"Well thasts basically what happened in 'I Am Legend'

Yes that would be real scary too.

I mean, how many people do you think are playing GOD right this very moment? Has to be at least in the hundreds of thousands."
yeah and a few TV programs, it got me very worried (for a few nights anyway)

back to the OP i wouldnt go near a shopping mall till the panic died down (unless i was there when it started and i would get out of there to my home asap) and i was the last person in my town. But even then im not sure as it is in a valley and me and my mates think that Zeds would find it easyer to go down hill so they will most likely end up down in the town
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tvercetti1
tvercetti1
58. RE: Mall Survival
Oct 12 2011, 3:19 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 12 2011, 3:19 PM EDT
"yeah and a few TV programs, it got me very worried (for a few nights anyway)

back to the OP i wouldnt go near a shopping mall till the panic died down (unless i was there when it started and i would get out of there to my home asap) and i was the last person in my town. But even then im not sure as it is in a valley and me and my mates think that Zeds would find it easyer to go down hill so they will most likely end up down in the town"
I would stay in the mall though if all the zeds were outside. No use trying to get through them all if you would be safer inside of the mall but I agree. If I was there when it started, maybe best to stay.

Of course you have to gauge the risk. Not easy to do on the fly either.
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Uzzgub
Uzzgub
59. RE: Mall Survival
Oct 12 2011, 4:18 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 12 2011, 4:18 PM EDT
"I would stay in the mall though if all the zeds were outside. No use trying to get through them all if you would be safer inside of the mall but I agree. If I was there when it started, maybe best to stay.

Of course you have to gauge the risk. Not easy to do on the fly either."
if the news broke while i was down town (in the mall) i would still leave (unless the news said it started in my town =( witch i doubt) caus there is nothing there that would be usefull, the 3 sports shops there only sell clothes, shoes and the odd football =(

because of that i would get the hell out of there to my house and supplys/weapons, because i would be dead if i stayed there
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