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shotgunlover |
Shovels vs Hatchets
Oct 25 2011, 7:04 PM EDT
I understand that these are both very useful weapons, but each have their pros and cons. For example, shovels can do lots of damage when swung very hard, but they are cumbersome and woudn't be easy to carry if it wasn't your main weapon. Hatchets on the other had are very mobile and easy to handls, but don't do as much damage and don't have the range of a shovel. Your thoughts?
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Oakspar77777 |
1. RE: Shovels vs Hatchets
Oct 25 2011, 7:24 PM EDT
I would leave shovels in the tool pile. I am aware that there are some trench shovels that are meant as secondary melee - but if you need to dig they suck.Go with a "boys axe" (longer than a hatchet, but smaller than a normal wood axe. It is fast, indestructable (with the metal handle), and can still do a big job if needed. 1 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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DonovanRichter |
2. RE: Shovels vs Hatchets
Oct 25 2011, 7:43 PM EDT
I personally would prefer a one handed axe to either really. =*_*= I wouldn't trust a shovel for a killing blow, but if using one as an improvised weapon I'd try to knock thing over with a blow to the side of the head. I wouldn't really carry it as a primary weapon though. It's only useful in the open when you've room to strike and have time to ready you're blows. The hatchet could at least go into the skull, but it would put your hand very close to the zombie's teeth =*_*= My partner has one handed axes that are very nearly a foot long and my bearded axe is also over two feet in length. I'm with oakspar, I'd prefer an axe to a shovel, but I wouldn't want to use a hatchet unless perhaps I could attack from behind. =^_^= 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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vampirejediknight |
3. RE: Shovels vs Hatchets
Oct 25 2011, 7:53 PM EDT
"I understand that these are both very useful weapons, but each have their pros and cons. For example, shovels can do lots of damage when swung very hard, but they are cumbersome and woudn't be easy to carry if it wasn't your main weapon. Hatchets on the other had are very mobile and easy to handls, but don't do as much damage and don't have the range of a shovel. Your thoughts?"I don't think shovels are cumbersome at all. I prefer them because them for versatility. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Sharpie41 |
4. RE: Shovels vs Hatchets
Oct 25 2011, 8:10 PM EDT
Its funny, all the comments disagreeing with shovels as weapons are "not valuable" and agreeing with shovels are "valuable"
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JunkCollector |
5. RE: Shovels vs Hatchets
Oct 26 2011, 1:10 AM EDT
Shovels are good, but axes are more durable for chopping wood, doors, or skulls.
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LJ126 |
6. RE: Shovels vs Hatchets
Oct 26 2011, 2:53 AM EDT
"Shovels are good, but axes are more durable for chopping wood, doors, or skulls. "I'll play Devil's Advocate and even go so far as to say that a hatchet probably delivers a nastier wound than an equal sized shovel or E-Tool does too. The striking portion is both sharper and heavier, and can be swung very authoritatively. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Carnack |
7. RE: Shovels vs Hatchets
Oct 26 2011, 3:02 AM EDT
"I'll play Devil's Advocate and even go so far as to say that a hatchet probably delivers a nastier wound than an equal sized shovel or E-Tool does too. The striking portion is both sharper and heavier, and can be swung very authoritatively."Plus there's that image of seeing some guy get cleaved sternum to scrotum with one chop and watching his killer kick away the bisected body. I know for a fact that I'd be ducking like a pro at that point xD Shovels are fine tools and so-so improv weapons. Yes with some modification you can make it into something decent...but an axe beats it there. An axe from it's very conception was a weapon and a tool. No improvisation needed. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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steve2284 |
8. RE: Shovels vs Hatchets
Jan 25 2012, 6:12 AM EST
Sharpen the side edges of the shovel , used to be done in ww1
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Zee-Man |
9. RE: Shovels vs Hatchets
Jan 25 2012, 8:13 AM EST
Implements of expediency are just that. They are not the right tool for the job. You might be able to do the job with one, but they will never get the work done as efficiently or as effectively. Implements of expediency almost always involve a safety hazard. One can use a screwdriver to hammer a nail but most would consider that a poor alternative to a brick even. If you find yourself weaponless in the street and a shovel is all you can pick up, then by all means use it. Sure, a shovel or a hatchet can be lethal, but why bother, the hardware store has better alternatives.1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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TreeLegs |
10. RE: Shovels vs Hatchets
Jan 25 2012, 12:05 PM EST
Cold Steel makes a spetnaz special forces shovel that's it amazingly durable and sharp. You should check it out.
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9twombat |
11. RE: Shovels vs Hatchets
Apr 12 2012, 1:23 PM EDT
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I've look at many tools and came down to two the crovel and the Chinese military shovel. I settled on the Chinese for weight reasons and utility. There are ways to temper the edge and dispite the food prep demo, it make splitting zedheads easier. Take a look.http://WWW.greenbeetlegear.me/2011/05/16/chinese-military-shovel-wjq-308-review/ Do you find this valuable? |
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IamSlowRide |
12. RE: Shovels vs Hatchets
Apr 12 2012, 1:37 PM EDT
Hatchet...for me if I have to choose, I would preer my riflemans tomahawk or Sayoc clone
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brandon_a_boyer |
13. RE: Shovels vs Hatchets
Apr 12 2012, 2:12 PM EDT
"I've look at many tools and came down to two the crovel and the Chinese military shovel. I settled on the Chinese for weight reasons and utility. There are ways to temper the edge and dispite the food prep demo, it make splitting zedheads easier. Take a look.I'd personally go with a Hatchet. It's more effective as a weapon and I see myself needing a chopping tool far before I need a digging tool. I know this is just my engineering ocd and this is going to sound sort of prickish. You harden steel to hold an edge You then temper steel to soften it just a little bit to prevent it from shattering You normalize steel when you heat it up and then let it air cool Do you find this valuable? |
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9twombat |
14. RE: Shovels vs Hatchets
Apr 12 2012, 3:28 PM EDT
I can say I know little on the laws of thermal dynamics or metallurgical processes. But with a shovel like that I can take over the world muhahaha! Na I tend to need a all in one tool for big things and at 2.5 lbs not bad. I get most of my zday stuff from do it yourself guide to surviving the zombie apocalypse.
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RainofMails |
15. RE: Shovels vs Hatchets
Apr 12 2012, 3:29 PM EDT
"Cold Steel makes a spetnaz special forces shovel that's it amazingly durable and sharp. You should check it out. "When cold steel did their hog head zombie killing demonstration that shovel was easily the deadliest thing they tested. The spike hawk had the easiest kills but the shovel basically bisected a hog skull on the first hit. Do you find this valuable? |
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epic_epicness |
16. RE: Shovels vs Hatchets
Apr 12 2012, 4:24 PM EDT
I don't see the issue here, you don't dig holes with a hatchet and you don't chop wood with a shovel so there really is no comparing the two. they are tools meant to do a specific job. there are tools made for killing, maybe you should look that up instead of trying to make something into something its not. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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epic_epicness |
17. RE: Shovels vs Hatchets
Apr 12 2012, 4:28 PM EDT
"I don't see the issue here, you don't dig holes with a hatchet and you don't chop wood with a shovel so there really is no comparing the two. they are tools meant to do a specific job.After all, I dont try to use my M-4 to chop wood or my bar mace to dig holes. that sounds like a stupid idea..... 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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9twombat |
18. RE: Shovels vs Hatchets
Apr 12 2012, 4:51 PM EDT
After watching the vids on the cws it chops as good as a hatchet. So I think its a good add to my tools/weapons.
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Zee-Man |
19. RE: Shovels vs Hatchets
Apr 12 2012, 5:54 PM EDT
"You normalize steel when you heat it up and then let it air cool"In blacksmith lingo, that is annealing. Hardening yields a body centered crystalline structure in the metal, usually with carbon as an additive atom Tempering migrates atoms toward a face centered crystalline structure Annealing yields a face centered crystalline structure Body centered structure is hard and brittle, specially with trapped carbon atoms. It will hold an edge against materials softer than itself. It is resilient to shear and compressive forces, but has less tensile resistance. The structure in tempered metal is softer and not as brittle. It has less compressive resistance but is resilient to tensile stress. The face centered crystalline structure in annealed metal is soft, but more uniform than the structures that develop during forging. For forged or rolled metals it is hard to see the crystalline structure without a microscope. To get an idea of what the face centered crystal looks like you could take a piece of cast iron and break it. The revealed cross section has a coarse granular appearance. Do you find this valuable? |