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Ulysees73
Ulysees73
How to defend your base and why it wouldn't be easy
Nov 2 2011, 8:36 PM EDT | Post edited: Nov 2 2011, 8:36 PM EDT
Alright guys, so as I was sitting here thinking about how i might defend a post zed base, and i got to thinking about what would happen if a zed was attracted to the location i will be in. If i was to leave the zed clawing at the door, it would eventually break through, or worse, attract more. So a good melee weapon in the hands of a careful person should be enough to dispatch it.

But what happens when there is more than one zed, or someone slips up and uses a firearm. That might attract dozens more. So unless your very careful, while you are trying to defend your base, you could inadvertently make yourself into an online zombie game where you have to run all around your base re-barricading doors and windows while your trying to shoot the closest zed. I think we all know how those end. Game Over.

So what can you do? Well that's exactly why i started this thread. Also, if the answer seems obvious, i apologize in advance, I'm still adjusting to the community and am always learning.
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irishboy76
irishboy76
1. RE: How to defend your base and why it wouldn't be easy
Nov 3 2011, 12:26 PM EDT | Post edited: Nov 3 2011, 12:26 PM EDT
Good topic Ulysees, I would go for noise and light Discipline first and formost, keep noise down day and night,Now at night I would make sure that the windows are not giving out any light that raiders or looters would see also I would try to re angle the chimney so the smoke would be drifting into the woods( My BOL is up north canada so it would be in the woods) not up into the air where again raiders and looters would see and pinpoint your location . Set up your BOL ie board up windows and doors not being used, set up some type of Perimeter alert system , could be anything from string around your BOL with a can tied to the end thats in the BOL you hear the can you get ready for anything , I have seen this done on farms trying to keep foxs out of the chicken coup.

Day time I would go on scouting walks( with 3 other people , always go in groups or 4) to the highest point I can find to see whats coming in the distance or other bases that may be close to our BOL.

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BigLoki
BigLoki
2. RE: How to defend your base and why it wouldn't be easy
Nov 3 2011, 12:36 PM EDT | Post edited: Nov 3 2011, 12:36 PM EDT
About 90% would be your location itself. IF you're defending an exposed shack, the necessary steps will be different than something built to withstand something substantial.

In general, not being noticed is key. No need for super defenses if nobody shows up. That would include light/noise/activity. Most everything else hinges on what you're defending.
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irishboy76
irishboy76
3. RE: How to defend your base and why it wouldn't be easy
Nov 3 2011, 12:49 PM EDT | Post edited: Nov 3 2011, 12:49 PM EDT
Good Point Loki I'd still go with better safe than sorry also it gives people in your group something to do, bordome gives time for thought and when you have people suffering from post traumatic stress disorder from a zombie apocalypse and have nothing to do , well things might get ulgy, keeping people busy is very key to outlasting the undead lol 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
ItsMrManCub
ItsMrManCub
4. RE: How to defend your base and why it wouldn't be easy
Nov 3 2011, 1:10 PM EDT | Post edited: Nov 3 2011, 1:10 PM EDT
Well I think the most important thing is to make your "base" in a secluded location.

The best way to ensure the success of a BOL is to make it so no one will find it. My BOL#1 aka CubStock has the majority of my supplies but would honestly be the easiest to find. However with its open pastures I can see most things coming. BOL#2 aka TheCubCave is so well hidden, I literally believe 100% I could go off the grid right now and no one would/could find me. The only people who even know the location of it are immediate family, and it can be relocated with some effort if need be. It is not perfect though I won't lie, supplies have to be brought in currently because it is not self-sufficient, compared to BOL#1. While there is a small stockpile of food there it would only give me 1-2 months realistically. However that is not taking into account extreme rationing and fresh food I will be able to possibly procure there. It is very fertile land with plenty of fresh berries. Water is easy to find throughout the whole area, I might have to boil it but I won't go thirsty. I don't expect to go hungry either, will I eat venison or pork everyday, no but I'll eat something even if it happens to only be a raccoon I trapped or boiled minnows I cupped out of a pond. I wouldn't dream of barricading myself up since it was in the beginning a school bus. It could very easily be overrun thus spelling my end. The key to staying safe would be staying hidden. If found, the odds are I will be moving on down the road. It would be so much easier to keep the surrounding area secure if I have a group, but you can't guarantee that so these are just my thoughts on the subject if I was all alone.
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Ulysees73
Ulysees73
5. RE: How to defend your base and why it wouldn't be easy
Nov 3 2011, 4:34 PM EDT | Post edited: Nov 3 2011, 4:34 PM EDT
I like where this is going so far, and thank you for saying so.

You brought up something i hadn't, ignorantly, thought about and that is raiders. What happens when they follow you back to your base and starting shooting up the place? It won't take long for a substantial horde to arrive and then everyone loses. So do you abandon your base, taking everything you can and not having to worry about the zeds, or do you try to take out the raiders before any zeds arrive and lay low when they do? Other?
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ItsMrManCub
ItsMrManCub
6. RE: How to defend your base and why it wouldn't be easy
Nov 3 2011, 4:38 PM EDT | Post edited: Nov 3 2011, 4:38 PM EDT
That is why you always keep some form of BOB even when your at your BOL. You have to have the ability to get out of dodge quickly and be able to survive afterwards. Do you find this valuable?    
vampirejediknight
vampirejediknight
7. RE: How to defend your base and why it wouldn't be easy
Nov 3 2011, 4:42 PM EDT | Post edited: Nov 3 2011, 4:42 PM EDT
I'm tired of hearing 'raiders are a bigger threat'. (Not that you're saying that, Ulysees, I'm just posting my thougts on raiders.) You see, the idea of a "zombie" apocalypse is that an overwhelming majority of people will be dead or no longer human.

You see, the odds that there are people left in your area (depending on where you are) are pretty slim, and even then, they might just as soon join you as steal from you.

The problem with raiding is simple: most of humanity is gone. If your goal is only your survival and to hell with it all afterwards, it's fine, but if you want to do some good for the world, you need to try to preserve any kind of life you can. Hunt when you need food; kill a person if that person needs to be killed, but for God's sake, try not to do more than you must. You need everyone you can get. In order to survive, they must either be smart or skilled, or just really lucky, and you will need them with you.
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Ulysees73
Ulysees73
8. RE: How to defend your base and why it wouldn't be easy
Nov 3 2011, 4:52 PM EDT | Post edited: Nov 3 2011, 4:52 PM EDT
Well my thinking is that it is better to prepare for something that might not happen than be unprepared for something that does.

As for Mr.ManCub, would it be as easy as just leaving your bol, even if you have a second location? What if you fortified your location so well, that the raiders are blocking all the ways out?
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ItsMrManCub
ItsMrManCub
9. RE: How to defend your base and why it wouldn't be easy
Nov 3 2011, 5:05 PM EDT | Post edited: Nov 3 2011, 5:05 PM EDT
"As for Mr.ManCub, would it be as easy as just leaving your bol, even if you have a second location? What if you fortified your location so well, that the raiders are blocking all the ways out? "
Duh I get into my panic room and hit the mustard gas.

Seriously I think the situation your saying I am in kinda spells my end. However IRL I have already "fortified" my location and I still have ways out. Besides I think one of my key points earlier was that I am not going to let myself get boxed in.
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StoreHenning
StoreHenning
10. RE: How to defend your base and why it wouldn't be easy
Nov 3 2011, 5:47 PM EDT | Post edited: Nov 3 2011, 5:47 PM EDT
Good post. But I still think that beingg in one spot is the way to survive. Of course not if its swarmed with z's. I dont think that z's got functioning brain and memory so if you stay out of sight long enough, they will eventually leave Do you find this valuable?    
Ulysees73
Ulysees73
11. RE: How to defend your base and why it wouldn't be easy
Nov 4 2011, 4:15 PM EDT | Post edited: Nov 4 2011, 4:15 PM EDT
"Good post. But I still think that beingg in one spot is the way to survive. Of course not if its swarmed with z's. I dont think that z's got functioning brain and memory so if you stay out of sight long enough, they will eventually leave"
That's an interesting thought, but how would you test it? If you let zeds surround your base, and they don't forget, than your in trouble.
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CDSm101-800s
CDSm101-800s
12. RE: How to defend your base and why it wouldn't be easy
Nov 4 2011, 7:58 PM EDT | Post edited: Nov 4 2011, 7:58 PM EDT
One of the first things I was taught in REECE was that: If the enemy does not know you are there, they will not go looking for you. If they start to look for you, they will find you... simple as that.

Ppls already mentioned the need for light and noise discipline. You want you house or BOL to look like nothing more than just another shack or house in the country, and not worth the effort to pick over. A secluded area helps, natural barriers helps too.

One thing to remember is movement discipline. Following trails, patrolling your area, and being on the look out for any movement that gives away potential problems or trouble, and being aware that your own.

Any good spot should include cleared fields of fire. Areas cleared of cover and offering clear shots of any hostiles or zombies. One person with a pair of binos can cover the entire area and give warning if a zombie stumbles or even crawls into your area. It would be up to you then whether to simply let it pass by and keep an eye on it, wander out with a few baseball bats for a little fun or whatever.

I highly doubt ammo is going to be very plentiful post z-day. Nobody is going to waste a shot on a single zombie unless dire need. Munitions are a finite resource, even with reloading, how long can it be made to last?

I get tired of the redneck mall ninjas who say something like.. well I got like 50k rounds for my assult rifle.. I say good luck.. how many ppls within 1 hour of you? I have over a million. 50k is not going to make much of a dent in the local zombie population even if I can get them to line up for headshots 10 at a time.. Anybody who spent an hour or so at the range knows how quickly you can burn through ammo...

Any combat vet can tell you how much ammo weighs, and how fast you can go through it if you do not watch what your doing..

The best thing is to avoid looking like easy pickings for raiders, and be invisible to the undead.
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Ulysees73
Ulysees73
13. RE: How to defend your base and why it wouldn't be easy
Nov 5 2011, 5:26 PM EDT | Post edited: Nov 5 2011, 5:26 PM EDT
"Any good spot should include cleared fields of fire. Areas cleared of cover and offering clear shots of any hostiles or zombies. One person with a pair of binos can cover the entire area and give warning if a zombie stumbles or even crawls into your area. It would be up to you then whether to simply let it pass by and keep an eye on it, wander out with a few baseball bats for a little fun or whatever.
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That would be ideal, but wouldn't it also be kind of obvious. I would think that in a suburban area, creating cleared fields of fire will be a huge give away of your location. Also if it was in the middle of a field somewhere, wouldn't you be tempted to have a peak inside? I know i would.
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crittergetter
crittergetter
14. RE: How to defend your base and why it wouldn't be easy
Nov 8 2011, 7:06 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 8 2011, 7:06 AM EST
Barbedwire is your best friend when securing and fortifing a BOL.
1) Normal fence style barriers will help slow and impeed Zeds or raiders. Put up multiple layers around the BOL and even right around any fighting or living builings.
2) Trip wire like the European mil;itary use. Lay zig-zag patterns about a foot from the ground and let grass grow to cover it.

Useing these two easy but vital wire systems together with buried posts with different heights sticking out of the ground and old tires in grass. All of these will slow and or trip most attackers. The posts will help keep anyone using a vehicle (to crash your barriers) from breaking completely through.

You can find barbedwire everywhere and its not to hard to string and is a semi-barrier with out giving the threat cover.

Any long term BOL will be easily reconized by all the new crops and animals. It cant be hidden. The only time a BOL will needs to be stealthy is while the worst of the Apox/SHTF scenario is happening. Once the worst is over or you can survive off of your stock pile then the stealth option is all gone. So be prepared to fortify and secure lots of ground. So more people are a bonus.
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MonsterWhoop
MonsterWhoop
15. RE: How to defend your base and why it wouldn't be easy
Nov 8 2011, 12:05 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 8 2011, 12:05 PM EST
Lol, i find it funny how everyone always prepares with big guns and all Rambo-like type of stuff, but it never seems to appear in anyone's mind, to get a f*cking silencer for your firearm, seriously, always the preparation but no one ever mentions this, and one more thing, the ideal hideout, to my opinion especially for lots of survivors, a crazy people institute.
Why? Barred thick windows, big heavy doors, lots of space and rooms, it will be so damn easy to barricade, and defend! And i think the windows might be soundproof too, since the people who live in the area won't listen to moaning and groaning the whole time, so uhm that's my opinion :D
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Frag-12
Frag-12
16. RE: How to defend your base and why it wouldn't be easy
Nov 8 2011, 12:30 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 8 2011, 12:46 PM EST
"Lol, i find it funny how everyone always prepares with big guns and all Rambo-like type of stuff, but it never seems to appear in anyone's mind, to get a f*cking silencer for your firearm, seriously, always the preparation but no one ever mentions this, and one more thing, the ideal hideout, to my opinion especially for lots of survivors, a crazy people institute.
Why? Barred thick windows, big heavy doors, lots of space and rooms, it will be so damn easy to barricade, and defend! And i think the windows might be soundproof too, since the people who live in the area won't listen to moaning and groaning the whole time, so uhm that's my opinion :D"
I already thought of it. Remember one of the APOC rules, do not break the law while preparing or you may end up in jail during. And unless Randall Flagg saves your butt, you are going to die behind bars. In order to legally purchase and attach a silencer in the US, you must be free of any felony convictions, follow the procedures and purchase a $200 Class 3 tax stamp from ATF, and then you can legally purchase and attach the silencer.

In addition, you need to have your BOL located in a very rural location. You want to be in areas of darkness the most and that can support agriculture and farming all 4 seasons assisted (greenhouses\etc) and unassisted.

http://www.nightearth.com/

You want to be at least 2+hours from the nearest town or city. I guess you can go further but remember when you need to make preparation\pre-apoc supply runs, you want to accomplish them in one day.

This does not mean you can not have a survival fortress within a city. However, to keep it hidden, keep it safe, and to generate food through aquaponics, you are going to need some deep pockets. The more rural you are, the safer you will be in many respects.


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Frag-12
Frag-12
17. RE: How to defend your base and why it wouldn't be easy
Nov 8 2011, 12:44 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 8 2011, 1:49 PM EST
"I'm tired of hearing 'raiders are a bigger threat'. (Not that you're saying that, Ulysees, I'm just posting my thougts on raiders.) You see, the idea of a "zombie" apocalypse is that an overwhelming majority of people will be dead or no longer human.

You see, the odds that there are people left in your area (depending on where you are) are pretty slim, and even then, they might just as soon join you as steal from you.

The problem with raiding is simple: most of humanity is gone. If your goal is only your survival and to hell with it all afterwards, it's fine, but if you want to do some good for the world, you need to try to preserve any kind of life you can. Hunt when you need food; kill a person if that person needs to be killed, but for God's sake, try not to do more than you must. You need everyone you can get. In order to survive, they must either be smart or skilled, or just really lucky, and you will need them with you. "
Even if the raider band is small, they will still be more dangerous of a zombie hoard because upper brain functions for tactical decisions are still in tact. In The Walking Dead, I believe only 1,400,000 humans out of 7,000,000,000 people remain truly alive and I am sure this number changes for the worse daily. That means, there are approximately 6,998,600,000 people either dead or undead. Even with a 1 million people still remaining, this is still considered an apocalyptic or really an extinction level event. Apocalyptic really means a disclosure of something hidden from the majority of mankind in an era dominated by falsehood and misconception and an extinction level event would definitely show us something that was hidden about mother nature and ourselves. Shane, in The Walking Dead, is a perfect example of something hidden manifesting itself during the apocalypse.
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crittergetter
crittergetter
18. RE: How to defend your base and why it wouldn't be easy
Nov 8 2011, 1:14 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 8 2011, 1:21 PM EST
"Lol, i find it funny how everyone always prepares with big guns and all Rambo-like type of stuff, but it never seems to appear in anyone's mind, to get a f*cking silencer for your firearm, seriously, always the preparation but no one ever mentions this, and one more thing, the ideal hideout, to my opinion especially for lots of survivors, a crazy people institute.
Why? Barred thick windows, big heavy doors, lots of space and rooms, it will be so damn easy to barricade, and defend! And i think the windows might be soundproof too, since the people who live in the area won't listen to moaning and groaning the whole time, so uhm that's my opinion :D"
A silencer dang boys lets all go home and let the brain here do it all for us.
Somebody tell the military the secret weapon is a silencer. Sh*t nobody ever thought that. Especially since almost 30% of us have one. And a silencer as stated is a restricted item and thats even if your state or local will let you. Not everyone can afford or get one. Silencers reduce ballistics and have limitations.

As for assylum they usually dont have sound proof windows, since they drug all the trouble makers nowadays. And if its secure from Zeds and others then it should have a full house of local residents and care takers.

You've been a member for a week and you have read all the threads and know we havent discussed this yet. Dam either your real good or full of sh*t. I will let everyone else figure it out for themselves.
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Frag-12
Frag-12
19. RE: How to defend your base and why it wouldn't be easy
Nov 8 2011, 2:11 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 8 2011, 2:11 PM EST
1. A bow and crossbow are great alternatives to a firearm.
2. Behind a barricade and/or with protection, a crossbow is the best because of increased accuracy, penetration, and ease of use. The main problem with the crossbow is rate of fire.
3. If you have the skills, the bow is a better weapon to use out in the field. If you do not have the skills, then the crossbow is the best weapon to use besides a firearm. The main advantage of a bow is rate of fire. If you have many archers, you can lay down one massive and suppressive indirect fire that will kill most unprotected things in the dead zone including zeds because the arrows come from above. However, do not bring an ancient weapon to a gun battle.
4. If you have a firearm, the ammunition to spare, and a silencer than you should use it when you need to. Do not go out of your way to kill zombies unless you need to because you should be saving your ammo for when you need it.
5. However, the key to help reduced being noticed is being located where the majority of the hoard is not. If you are scavenging\salvaging, stay away from the large cities unless you have a team to deal with mass numbers of zombies. The cities belong to the dead and they keepeth. Small country towns, especially 1 horse towns, will be a lot better for scavenging and salvaging than larger towns or cities.
6. Build your own retreat or become a nomad or join a survival group. Do not rely on an existing structure that does not belong to you or was not design to keep people out. In addition, these facilities require outside support for business.

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