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How long do the "DEAD LIVE"?
Nov 5 2011, 5:37 PM EDT
,Zombies, their dead right?. Decomposition starts at death. If they don't eat us wonder how long will they live? how can they live if their dead. "BODY ROT"S". john
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chitoryu12 |
1. RE: How long do the "DEAD LIVE"?
Nov 5 2011, 6:33 PM EDT
Well, this makes a lot of assumptions. The traditional zombie archetype is a still-rotting corpse that eats without requiring food, water, or oxygen and cannot be killed through any means other than brain destruction and/or decapitation. But let's play with this archetype.Assuming that the corpse rots at a normal rate for a human body (with the assistance of insects), after 20 to 50 days the zombie will be mummified. This means that after only 2 or 3 weeks, the brain will have rotted to the point where the zombie begins to lose motor functions and finally dies on its own. There's a lot of variables that can affect this, but after about a month it's safe to say that a zombie of this type with nothing but natural decomposition and insects to wear it down will be dead. Now, this is still taking a lot of these assumptions into account. Scientifically, the most likely zombie is a 28 Days Later-style rager that is still alive and human, but driven into a rabid rage against all living things. These are actually far easier to deal with, as they're vulnerable to mortal wounds (both man-made and accidental), fire, drowning, starvation/dehydration, and potentially infected wounds. Not to mention that with starvation/dehydration comes the weakness that they simply cannot overcome with adrenaline. Within a few days, one of these zombies will be nearly dead from lack of water. Even if it requires no water but still requires food, after a week or two it'll be low on energy and sickly. A rager that makes it to 3 weeks is elderly. 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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x-wolfhunter |
2. RE: How long do the "DEAD LIVE"?
Nov 5 2011, 6:50 PM EDT
"Well, this makes a lot of assumptions. The traditional zombie archetype is a still-rotting corpse that eats without requiring food, water, or oxygen and cannot be killed through any means other than brain destruction and/or decapitation. But let's play with this archetype.I'd still rather have a "shambler" type zombie archetype . . . I wouldn't want to come face to face with a rager, but a shambler would just be a minor nuisance. They might last longer, but they'd be faaar easier to avoid, considering that you a) can't outrun a rager and b) can outwalk a shambler. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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chitoryu12 |
3. RE: How long do the "DEAD LIVE"?
Nov 5 2011, 10:36 PM EDT
"I'd still rather have a "shambler" type zombie archetype . . . I wouldn't want to come face to face with a rager, but a shambler would just be a minor nuisance. They might last longer, but they'd be faaar easier to avoid, considering that you a) can't outrun a rager and b) can outwalk a shambler."Shamblers are in a sense harder to kill; if they can only be killed through brain damage and decapitation like the standard archetype, that's a smaller target to hit. A rager can be taken out through the same means that eliminate humans (none of the pain-related effects will probably work, though) and they have a shorter individual lifespan. They also suffer the same fatigue effects as humans, while shamblers are essentially tireless. If you have a suitable fortification, you really only need to last a few days before the first horde dies of thirst. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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x-wolfhunter |
4. RE: How long do the "DEAD LIVE"?
Nov 6 2011, 8:18 AM EST
"Shamblers are in a sense harder to kill; if they can only be killed through brain damage and decapitation like the standard archetype, that's a smaller target to hit. A rager can be taken out through the same means that eliminate humans (none of the pain-related effects will probably work, though) and they have a shorter individual lifespan. They also suffer the same fatigue effects as humans, while shamblers are essentially tireless. If you have a suitable fortification, you really only need to last a few days before the first horde dies of thirst."I agree with you on your points . . . This is a matter of opinion/personal preference, though, so there's no point in debating it further. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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TPRDicko |
5. RE: How long do the "DEAD LIVE"?
Nov 6 2011, 9:31 AM EST
Due to their lack of ability to heal wounds, they'd most likely die within a week of being zombified. Ragers would die quicker than shamblers, as they would rack up more day to day cuts and scrapes, cumulating quicker to amputations and ultimately death
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CDSm101-800s |
6. RE: How long do the "DEAD LIVE"?
Nov 8 2011, 2:15 AM EST
There really is no valid way a dead body can reanimate after death. Medically speaking, it is simply not possible. There is a reason why rigor mortis only lasts for so long, and the body goes limp.George Romero never really bothered to explain why the dead were suddenly getting up and wanted to munch on ppls. It was never important to the story. What was important is that they ARE up and moving and they WANT to eat you. From the Romero movies, and similar ones, they seem to decompose slowly, and prolly would last for some time. Perhaps a year or so, depending on climate and such. It would really boil down to what type of force that could animate what is essentially dead matter. A 28 days later type would prolly last 3 days before dehydration set in and it would collapse. Perhaps as long as 9 days before renal failure occurs. Now if they are smart enough to drink, then perhaps as long as thier stored body fat would allow them to continue. That is unless they eat as well. If they heal normally, and are smart enough to survive winter etc, then decades would be realistic. However, they would still be susceptable to other diseases as well, and they could simply die of the first flu bug that hit them. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Frag-12 |
7. RE: How long do the "DEAD LIVE"?
Nov 8 2011, 12:01 PM EST
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A rager would be more difficult to hit in the head because they move quicker than an undead zombie and can be all over you in a matter of seconds which in some cases is worse than an undead archetype especially if you panic. It is true ragers can be killed with mortal wounds to the body. However, do remember this, they are still immune to pain and most likely resistant to firearm concussive forces so if it is not an immediate killing shot due to damage, they may still have a lot of dangerous and contagious fighting\eating potential before they finally bleed out and die. I definitely agree living rager zombies will be considered old at 3 weeks and just like 28 Days Later, I do not see them living much longer than 21 to 28 days for special cases. Depending on the climate, some ragers will even be dead within a few minutes to 24 hours later. Colder climates will definitely kill living ragers in a matter of minutes due to exposure. Hot climates will kill a rager within a few minutes to 24 hours depending on how hot is and if it is day or night due to heat illness or later, dehydration.Of course this is all theory and there is one variable missing, perhaps the disease will speed up death too? Do you find this valuable? |
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Frag-12 |
8. RE: How long do the "DEAD LIVE"?
Nov 8 2011, 12:03 PM EST
"Due to their lack of ability to heal wounds, they'd most likely die within a week of being zombified. Ragers would die quicker than shamblers, as they would rack up more day to day cuts and scrapes, cumulating quicker to amputations and ultimately death"True, infection of some sort may kill some off sooner. Do you find this valuable? |
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brandon_a_boyer |
9. RE: How long do the "DEAD LIVE"?
Nov 8 2011, 1:30 PM EST
Why do we have these sorts of threads? I mean don't we all really agree that it's impossible to know exactly what we'd be dealing with?
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PedroAsani |
10. RE: How long do the "DEAD LIVE"?
Nov 8 2011, 4:31 PM EST
",Zombies, their dead right?. Decomposition starts at death. If they don't eat us wonder how long will they live? how can they live if their dead. "BODY ROT"S". john"You assume that "dead" is dead, and not shorthand for "cerebral, cardiac and pulmonary activity is slowed to such an extent that it cannot be differentiated from death, whilst the pathogen alters the host physiology to create the zombie state". If you are simply starting with a corpse, then you are limited by current human necrotic behaviour. Exposed to the elements, insects et al. they will be gone within a week. On the other hand, other archetypes say they can last for years, possibly forever. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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SEALDoc911 |
11. RE: How long do the "DEAD LIVE"?
Nov 9 2011, 10:06 AM EST
I suppose at it is the brain and cerebral activity that keeps them functioning these organs would atrophy and decay slower...How long will they survive? Not sure I care...A bullet to the brain solves the problem
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waffmann |
12. RE: How long do the "DEAD LIVE"?
Nov 10 2011, 7:49 PM EST
I don’t remember where I saw this but I think that Romero zombie’s lives for 2 years if someone could verify this would be nice
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brony4life |
13. RE: How long do the "DEAD LIVE"?
Nov 11 2011, 12:28 AM EST
Honestly, I believe a worst case scenario. While my wife, and many more, may disagree heavily with me on this, I don't believe zombies are rationally possible. Instead, I believe they will be brought back by supernatural forces, like black magic. I also believe that there's a good chance running will be enabled for them, and that the magic might stop all decomposition for them and maybe even fatigue.But if that is what brings back the dead, I think zeds will be the least of our problems. Do you find this valuable? |
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CDSm101-800s |
14. RE: How long do the "DEAD LIVE"?
Nov 11 2011, 1:27 AM EST
"Honestly, I believe a worst case scenario. While my wife, and many more, may disagree heavily with me on this, I don't believe zombies are rationally possible. Instead, I believe they will be brought back by supernatural forces, like black magic. I also believe that there's a good chance running will be enabled for them, and that the magic might stop all decomposition for them and maybe even fatigue.In reality, only some form of supernatural force can animate a dead body. That being said, they really do not have to be runners, or even be as strong as a normal human, as in the Romero zombies. The real problem is that unless you lobotomize them, they don't die. They feel no pain, no fear, no exhaustion no pity, no remorse, or self preservation. They cannot be bargined with, or reasoned with. They simply have nothing else to do but wander around looking for things to munch on. When they do find you, they will not get bored and wander off. They just hang around moaning and thrashing against your barricades until either they or the barricade gives out. If you run away, they just shamble behind you.... Who the heck would want to fight an enemy like that? They simply do not give up. Eventually, you will find yourself running low on ammo, cornered while the horde presses in from all sides. Make them fast, strong and even worse, intelligent, and your best bet is to get bit and join the ranks... Do you find this valuable? |
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Oakspar77777 |
15. RE: How long do the "DEAD LIVE"?
Nov 11 2011, 10:10 AM EST
Romero zombies were virtually immortal. Sure, occasionally one would get stuck somewhere dry and dessicate to re-death, but so long as there was sufficient ambient moisture (rain) its digestive system and metabolism were such that a single feeding could allow it to last for decades (crazy doc in Day of the Dead, dessication from Land of the Dead "cryptkeepers").Of course, in the Romero archtype we are ALL infected, and any death (falling down the stairs) would result in animation. Bites only introduced pathogens that accelorated death. Rotting in Romero zombies was limited to open wounds and surface tissue, implying some deeper antibacterial process that delayed necrofaction. After all, if the tissue is poison then bacteria will not decompose it (ie formaldehyde or alcohol preserving tissue in a specimine jar). Now other zombie types are actually "alive" (28 Days) and can die of hunger or any other wounds (aparantly the desire to drink still existed as any hydrophobia would kill them in 2.8 days, not 28). Likely the most frightening is the Resident Evil type (silly boss zombies aside). Since that was a regenative process, the condition of the courpse could improve over time - meaning that even if they were shot, they could likely heal and get back up within a few days or weeks - meaning that total body destruction might be required. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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brony4life |
16. RE: How long do the "DEAD LIVE"?
Nov 11 2011, 7:16 PM EST
"In reality, only some forms of supernatural force can animate a dead body."I'm sorry to offend, but may I ask where you got this info? For all we know about the super-natural, it could start raining chocolate milk out of cotton-candy clouds if certain entities wished it. While I consider myself to know more than your average man about life after death and other things to that effect, all I know comes from my dad's last few hours of life. Which, being as how he only went under for maybe 5 minutes, he didn't get to learn much. But anyway, let's get out of "cool story bro" material. Frankly, the only thing I KNOW about the supernatural is that we know very little about it. Do you find this valuable? |
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CDSm101-800s |
17. RE: How long do the "DEAD LIVE"?
Nov 12 2011, 7:32 PM EST
"I'm sorry to offend, but may I ask where you got this info? For all we know about the super-natural, it could start raining chocolate milk out of cotton-candy clouds if certain entities wished it.Doh! Did not proof read that enough... Should say ....only some form of supernatural force... No idea what it would be, and quite frankly, I am not all that keen to find out. Lol.. hope that helps clear it up.. Do you find this valuable? |
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Zombiestomper |
18. RE: How long do the "DEAD LIVE"?
Nov 16 2011, 4:02 PM EST
I think they will dehydrate just like a living person/corpse, if you deprive them of sustenance, they wither and decay. This is my main reason for holing-up and waiting out an apocalypse.
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