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Xemnasthe3rd	Does Computer Count as Engineering? Nov 7 2011, 2:27 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 7 2011, 2:27 PM EST Just a question, i have looked at the library list of Pedros. Just wondering, how important are computer programming and computer technician skills books? Post reply Do you find this valuable? Keyword tags: None
brandon_a_boyer	1. RE: Does Computer Count as Engineering? Nov 7 2011, 2:37 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 7 2011, 2:37 PM EST Depends on what you do with it. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Sharpie41	2. RE: Does Computer Count as Engineering? Nov 7 2011, 2:50 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 7 2011, 2:50 PM EST Now? Very After SHTF? Not at all, seeing as how the power grid will most likely go down Post reply Do you find this valuable?
brandon_a_boyer	3. RE: Does Computer Count as Engineering? Nov 7 2011, 2:57 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 7 2011, 2:57 PM EST "Now? Very After SHTF? Not at all, seeing as how the power grid will most likely go down" That's not necessarily true. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Sharpie41	4. RE: Does Computer Count as Engineering? Nov 7 2011, 4:45 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 7 2011, 4:45 PM EST "That's not necessarily true." How? If z-poc comes no one will go to work to keep the grid up, and what are the chances they will go back to work after to bring the grid back up? Or if there will still be anything left of the factory Post reply Do you find this valuable?
paulred2	5. RE: Does Computer Count as Engineering? Nov 8 2011, 12:59 PM EST "Just a question, i have looked at the library list of Pedros. Just wondering, how important are computer programming and computer technician skills books?" Learning to program gives you both applicable and passive skills. The applicable skills are obvious, you can write computer-programs, ie you can make computers do just about anything computers are capable of doing. The passive skills though, are less obvious. In learning to write code, you also learn a combination of acute problem solving skills, the ability to very effectively think abstractly and the ability to maintain several trains of thought in parallel. It also gives you a fairly extensive short-term memory. Or at least it did for me. All that said, there are clearly more applicable things you could be learning. But CS has it's value in the real world too. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
brandon_a_boyer	6. RE: Does Computer Count as Engineering? Nov 8 2011, 1:27 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 8 2011, 1:27 PM EST I love how people discount this so much. With a little know-how and a few cheap micro-controllers there is quite a bit that you could do with this. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Wilderness_Dude	7. RE: Does Computer Count as Engineering? Nov 8 2011, 2:58 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 8 2011, 2:58 PM EST Just saying if I had the choice between bringing along a computer engineer or a carpenter with me once the SHTF I'm picking the carpenter everytime. Sorry, but I just don't see how a computer program is going help me survive in a zombie situation. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Sharpie41	8. RE: Does Computer Count as Engineering? Nov 8 2011, 3:01 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 8 2011, 3:01 PM EST "Just saying if I had the choice between bringing along a computer engineer or a carpenter with me once the SHTF I'm picking the carpenter everytime. Sorry, but I just don't see how a computer program is going help me survive in a zombie situation." Agreed Post reply Do you find this valuable?
randomknife666	9. RE: Does Computer Count as Engineering? Nov 8 2011, 3:25 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 8 2011, 3:25 PM EST "Just saying if I had the choice between bringing along a computer engineer or a carpenter with me once the SHTF I'm picking the carpenter everytime. Sorry, but I just don't see how a computer program is going help me survive in a zombie situation." I agree with this to some extent, however, computer engineering isn't just programming, its building circuits, wiring them up to power sources, and a LOT of other stuff, so to some extent it may be useful. Now, will computer engineering be the most useful thing post z-day, no, but that doesn't mean it has lost all it's worth. What if you want to create some sort of automated Z-killing device? Someone has to figure out the circuitry to it. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Frag-12	10. RE: Does Computer Count as Engineering? Nov 8 2011, 3:27 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 8 2011, 3:27 PM EST "Agreed" What if the carpenter can't shoot worth a darn and the computer programmer was a former Marine Corps Scout Sniper turned Geek? :-) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
brandon_a_boyer	11. RE: Does Computer Count as Engineering? Nov 8 2011, 3:28 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 8 2011, 3:28 PM EST "I agree with this to some extent, however, computer engineering isn't just programming, its building circuits, wiring them up to power sources, and a LOT of other stuff, so to some extent it may be useful. Now, will computer engineering be the most useful thing post z-day, no, but that doesn't mean it has lost all it's worth. What if you want to create some sort of automated Z-killing device? Someone has to figure out the circuitry to it." Exactly. Look at the Maker community and the stuff that they come up with in their basements and garages. The Arduino has really opened up a huge market for diy tinkerers. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Frag-12	12. RE: Does Computer Count as Engineering? Nov 8 2011, 3:34 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 8 2011, 3:34 PM EST "Exactly. Look at the Maker community and the stuff that they come up with in their basements and garages. The Arduino has really opened up a huge market for diy tinkerers." I think you are focusing too much on the profession and not the individual. I rather have a computer programmer with loyalty and intent on living than a jerk who knows how to build things. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
randomknife666	13. RE: Does Computer Count as Engineering? Nov 8 2011, 3:49 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 8 2011, 3:49 PM EST "Exactly. Look at the Maker community and the stuff that they come up with in their basements and garages. The Arduino has really opened up a huge market for diy tinkerers." We've been toying with those in my Computer engineering class (sorta why this thread caught my attention), and I am amazed at what those Arduino's can do. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
randomknife666	14. RE: Does Computer Count as Engineering? Nov 8 2011, 3:50 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 8 2011, 3:50 PM EST "I think you are focusing too much on the profession and not the individual. I rather have a computer programmer with loyalty and intent on living than a jerk who knows how to build things. " This is more like it. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
PedroAsani	15. RE: Does Computer Count as Engineering? Nov 8 2011, 4:14 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 8 2011, 4:14 PM EST "I think you are focusing too much on the profession and not the individual. I rather have a computer programmer with loyalty and intent on living than a jerk who knows how to build things. " That's kind of outside the remit of the question. It's about the usefulness of the skill, not the tradeoff in personalities. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
PedroAsani	16. RE: Does Computer Count as Engineering? Nov 8 2011, 4:23 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 8 2011, 4:23 PM EST "Just a question, i have looked at the library list of Pedros. Just wondering, how important are computer programming and computer technician skills books?" During the Panic, and the years following (I need a name for that phase) it won't be much use. But during the Rebuilding phase, recovering records of ownership and information will be essential. Blueprints of buildings such as power plants, aviation maps (because runways will be required for supply drops and pickups) sewage systems. Everything is now stored on computers, and I doubt anywhere has got a decent Apocalypse Recovery Scenario. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Sharpie41	17. RE: Does Computer Count as Engineering? Nov 8 2011, 6:50 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 8 2011, 6:50 PM EST "I think you are focusing too much on the profession and not the individual. I rather have a computer programmer with loyalty and intent on living than a jerk who knows how to build things. " Personality and other attributes aside, which profession is more useful after zday? I say carpenter Post reply Do you find this valuable?
brandon_a_boyer	18. RE: Does Computer Count as Engineering? Nov 8 2011, 7:12 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 8 2011, 7:12 PM EST "Personality and other attributes aside, which profession is more useful after zday? I say carpenter" Carpenter is a word that gets thrown around too much some days. I've met carpenters who don't know the difference between a miter and a pegged tenon. But I've met Programming students who can clean an AR blindfolded. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Wilderness_Dude	19. RE: Does Computer Count as Engineering? Nov 8 2011, 11:40 PM EST "What if the carpenter can't shoot worth a darn and the computer programmer was a former Marine Corps Scout Sniper turned Geek? :-) " When I said computer engineer or carpenter I wasn't going on personal traits i was just going on those two skill sets, and be honest during a zombie apocalypse would you rather put yourself out there as a computer geek or a former marine sniper? My point is that computer engineering is not the most desirable skill set in a survival situation. Now it defiantly is useful but more in a rebuilding society sense. Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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