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brony4life |
Pre-zed organizations in a post-zed world.
Nov 10 2011, 10:06 PM EST
How many of us expect to create or join some sort of a faction after z-day? If you want survive, you will have answered "me". No one will be able to survive alone, and that is a cold hard fact. Billions of people will die worldwide on z-day, and if you think you'll be able to play lone wolf, you've got another thing coming.Yet this brings up an interesting question: what about factions that already have a foot in the door? Example: the mafia. Having one of the world's biggest industries on drugs, arm, human trafficing, and prostitution, this enigmatic group should have a huge edge over ants like us, especially since all the trades I mentioned will be in higher demand(not to mention the fuzz won't be around to stop it). There are other groups as well. The Pope has international influence, a professional army, and even ICBMs. How about the government? Their influence and power may decline, but they'll still be there, won't they? Or atleast try. What about companies? Gun manufacturers will see this as a perfect chance to sell their wares, and if they can keep the factories running, be some of the most influential figures in the entire world. So while many of these places will shrivel like grapes to raisins, what has us thinking that our tiny settlements will thrive while all of these titans magically evaporate without so much as a dying gasp. Do you find this valuable?
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Sharpie41 |
1. RE: Pre-zed organizations in a post-zed world.
Nov 10 2011, 10:49 PM EST
I seriously doubt the pope has ballistic missiles....and his "army" is a guard formation, its not like he'll invade Italy...
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BigLoki |
2. RE: Pre-zed organizations in a post-zed world.
Nov 10 2011, 11:21 PM EST
In all seriousness, I think that some organized religions will gain an enormous foothold int he world. I say this not being a member of any organized religion myself. I am admittedly a bit ignorant as to which specific religions believe what. I hope not to offend anyone, it's not my intention.To my knowledge, the Church of Latter Day Saints, has a strict policy on storing, and provisions called "Provident Living" (?) I think it's to have a storage up for normal events, but over time has developed into a massive effort in some churches. I think they also believe in the "Post Tribulation Rapture" I believe that this is likely the main reason for the policy, having seen the way some of the churches are designed. they look a lot like a fortress to me. I could be wrong, I am not a member of this religion. If anyone is, and I have gotten it wrong; please PM me, and know that it was by mistake, and not inflammatory. 7th Day Adventists, I think are even more actively preparing for the same event, with requirements for food storage, and fortifications. Same as above, if I am misinformed, please let me know, and know that no offense is meant. I'm sure there are others. I just haven't come across them. If you think about it, it's really a great set-up. They are already a group with similar beliefs (in some areas, not all I know). They have a fantastic means of storing, and procuring items, and have an already established BOL in plain view. They are diverse in their employment, and would have a good range of skill on hand; and there is already a "chain of command" in place. I think the devoutly religious of groups with these type of beliefs should fair well, barring some event directed more toward them. Militia groups should also fair very well. Stockpiling, weaponry, and similar beliefs are part of their organizations as well; with a pooling of income, and resources. Do you find this valuable? |
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brony4life |
3. RE: Pre-zed organizations in a post-zed world.
Nov 10 2011, 11:43 PM EST
Excellent point, Loki. I hope I don't wind up being forcibly indoctrinated though, as I frankly don't believe in any traditional religion. Plus I think freedom of religion is a right of mankind.What is your opinion on organized crime groups? They already have the guns and will to use them, so honestly I can't possibly picture anything happening but them increasing in strength. There's little or no influence from the law to stop them, so why would they not prosper? Another quick thing: how about buisnesses. I imagine the guys at Red Jacket will consider zombies a great stimulis package, but what about guys who aren't so focused on militaristic matters like, i don't know, pepsi or swift. Food and drink will be in high demand, and if they get lucky they could trade with well armed peoples and protect their goods. Do you find this valuable? |
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BigLoki |
4. RE: Pre-zed organizations in a post-zed world.
Nov 11 2011, 12:46 AM EST
I really can't say with any confidence about other groups really, just guessing, same as my above post. I think gangs, and mobs, and such would do well, if there was some notice. If they could rally up, and get their act together, then sure, they could be a force for sure. Weapons, and a violent mind set are already in place. The problem lies in long term planning. Not to many "Latin King" farmers to my knowledge. There is only so much to scavenge. Once that's done, then what? Hit every rural area on their own turf, and try to take it by force once they are already dug in? Nah, I think they won't fare any better than any group we could put together with the same notice.As for corporations: maybe higher up the "food chain". Big maybe though. While it makes sense that they would have the power, and the resources to make a huge survival effort, I doubt that very many of them are. If you are a factory worker, you wouldn't really be a part of that plan anyway. I could be wrong, but I don't think so. Even if they DID want to continue production of their product, a vast majority of companies depend on shipping, and transport. Not just to sell their goods, but mainly I'm talking about the materials to make the product itself. For example, a place like Pepsi needs filtered water, corn syrup, different chemicals, CO2 gas...ect... they aren't manufactured on location, they are trucked, or trained in. Once that stops, there's not much left to do. Some companies like "Hershey" had whole towns built around them for their workers... maybe one of those places, but very doubtful IMO. Do you find this valuable? |
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brony4life |
5. RE: Pre-zed organizations in a post-zed world.
Nov 11 2011, 12:59 AM EST
Actually, the mexican drug cartel have tons of farmers, along with farmland that was most likely aquired through ugly means. The mexican government pretty much works for the cartels, and their influence will only increase as the number of destraught do. Plus, what if someone wants a "boost" to help fight zombies, so they try crack or PCP to increase their fighting ability, only to get hooked. Just saying.In the case of hershey, having the the sweetness of chocolate again would be something very worthwhile for many. Not to mention there are many other things we enjoy today that will be in high enough demand to work post z-day. GE owns crap-loads of power-plants worldwide, so they could sell electricity. Do you find this valuable? |
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BigLoki |
6. RE: Pre-zed organizations in a post-zed world.
Nov 11 2011, 1:08 AM EST
I'm not very familiar with Mexican gangs, you could be right. In that case, yeah, they would probably be around, and a substantial group.I stand by my original on the companies though. Those factories take people to run them. While their goods are definitely useful, you need people, and materials to produce them. When we are talking about an event serious enough to classify as an apocalypse, that's not likely to happen unless all those people were in on a survival plan. Then there's still the matter of transporting materials. I don't see it happening really. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
renet76 |
7. RE: Pre-zed organizations in a post-zed world.
Nov 11 2011, 6:45 AM EST
In my country i put my money on bikie gangs being the top dog after a zed apox.The reason i say this is pretty simple apart from what most people think due to lack of any experience or knowledge of them apart form what they have gained from watching TV shows glorify them or on the news they are well organized and have a well established hierarchy of control The presidents of the different chapters are generally very smart and have excellent people skills or ultra violent either one they are true leaders in the world they operate in they already have large stockpiles of weapons and ammunition They come from so many different walks of life their skill base is huge They own a lot of property including farms, warehouses and normal houses plus lots of properties in remote area's Most of them are hardened men who have lived a violent life for pretty much all of their life so its unlikely they will think twice about taking what they want from you and leaving you face down in the gutter bleeding out. they have proven they have no fear of the law or police at the best of times They already have fortified buildings that are built to withstand attacks from rival groups they just call them clubhouse's instead of forts and if you have ever been inside one of those club houses you will know how well stocked they are i could easily see them taking over if the system goes down as for them it would just be another business opportunity Given that for most of them they only tow the line and behave simple because they want to have some fun before going back to jail to catch up with their mates As one outlaw biker president said to me once I will die for any member you see in this club house without regret the rest of the time i will kick his butt and remind him who is in charge Do you find this valuable? |
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8. RE: Pre-zed organizations in a post-zed world.
Nov 11 2011, 8:54 AM EST
I don't think the military is going away in the US any time soon. I don't think they would strive for control so much as try to end the zpoc.
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brony4life |
9. RE: Pre-zed organizations in a post-zed world.
Nov 11 2011, 7:03 PM EST
Excellent idea about the bikers, though I think if they were to try to raid, they would wind up dead FAST. Why? Because they ride the wimpiest vehicles on earth. No offroad, a limited max speed, no protection whatsoever, poor handling, loud as ****... The motorcycle is an awful idea in general. A prius would win a fight with one.Another thought: what do you make of people like me, who live in the middle of no where and herd cattle? Will I have to worry about the ones I sent off for the winter, or will I manage to retrieve those cows? How do you propose trade will go? Remember: most ranchers know how to and are mentally unstable enough to make explosives out of their cow's... fertilizer. That could be a trade good, right? Do you find this valuable? |
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renet76 |
10. RE: Pre-zed organizations in a post-zed world.
Nov 11 2011, 8:47 PM EST
"Excellent idea about the bikers, though I think if they were to try to raid, they would wind up dead FAST. Why? Because they ride the wimpiest vehicles on earth. No offroad, a limited max speed, no protection whatsoever, poor handling, loud as ****... The motorcycle is an awful idea in general. A prius would win a fight with one. Part of the whole biker thing with the bikes is a statement People see or hear a pack of Harley's coming down the road and they react to it some get frightened all the guys that look up to them admire them as they go past the ladies start to wonder about other things but its also their way of saying "up yours" to the nine to fiver's as they are living the way they want to. When ever they are doing anything more then making their presence felt they are in normal cars and trucks Do you find this valuable? |
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brony4life |
11. RE: Pre-zed organizations in a post-zed world.
Nov 12 2011, 5:38 PM EST
"Even still, we get a lot of them in Wyoming, and they aren't THAT tough. When they commit crimes, guess what? They wind up in jail. The fact is that the force of the many outweigh the few. Not to mention, even though they look mean, more often then not, they're big teddy bears that look like they'll gut you open. From big donations to charity, to helping stop the assholism of the Westboro Baptists, most of them actually aren't that dangerous. The ones that are, however, go down faster than the stock market in 2008. So in short, I'm not worried about bikers. Raiders have been around forever, and rarely do they directly shape history. Do you find this valuable? |
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renet76 |
12. RE: Pre-zed organizations in a post-zed world.
Nov 12 2011, 6:07 PM EST
hmm want to swap bikies?They are a big enough threat over here the government is passing laws to completely outlaw them as criminal organizations so just by being a member and wearing their colours is enough to get you a lengthy jail time They crossed the line when they beat a man to death in front of hundreds of people in the Airport Do you find this valuable? |
