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Forewarned76
Raging Judge
Nov 10 2011, 10:45 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 10 2011, 10:45 PM EST
Taurus's raging judge line is also a good choice for big bore users, it takes not only .454 Casull and .45 Long Colt, but 3 inch .410 shells 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
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ItsMrManCub
ItsMrManCub
1. RE: Raging Judge
Nov 10 2011, 11:49 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 10 2011, 11:49 PM EST
Indeed you are correct but the hand cannon is lacking in accuracy compared to other handguns. It is an option that seems popular for a vehicle weapon. I agree that if attacked in your vehicle 410 buckshot shells could clear out some space.

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brony4life
brony4life
2. RE: Raging Judge
Nov 10 2011, 11:55 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 10 2011, 11:55 PM EST
If you want to fire shotgun shells, use a shotgun.

Honestly, the appeal of the hand cannon is beyond my comprehension. Pistols are supposed to be light, concealable, and good for close range, yet hand cannons are none of these. It's like someone wanted to stitch a shotgun, pistol, and a rifle together, just like the frankestine monster. And like the frankenstine monster, it will get you killed.
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thomas13mike
thomas13mike
3. RE: Raging Judge
Nov 11 2011, 12:11 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 11 2011, 12:11 AM EST
I realize it's limitations I would have to carry it as a last resort weapon...If someone or something was within a few feet and a gun is always a better alternative to a melee weapon unless your a ninja. I've shot one before and they're not that bad... That's in my own opinion of course. If you can shoot a .44 accurately then you wouldn't have a problem with it. 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
brony4life
brony4life
4. RE: Raging Judge
Nov 11 2011, 12:18 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 11 2011, 12:18 AM EST
The way I see it, if you can't hit **** at more than 21 feet, it's pointless. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
brandon_a_boyer
brandon_a_boyer
5. RE: Raging Judge
Nov 11 2011, 3:05 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 11 2011, 3:05 AM EST
It's a gimmick gun. The original judge was designed with one very specific purpose in mind. Unfortunately people mistook it for being a legal sawed of shotgun, which it isn't. The .410 is useless beyond 10 feet. 2  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    
Sullivan714
Sullivan714
6. RE: Raging Judge
Nov 11 2011, 5:49 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 11 2011, 5:49 AM EST
I agree with you all that the Judge is useless beyond 10 or 15 feet. I think it's more of home defense weapon that would be more effective than a shotgun. A shotgun is hard to maneuver around in a house/apartment due to the long barrel. The Judge is much more compact and has the same scatter effect. My father bought one for this reason. I have no doubt it will fatally take down whoever breaks into their house. 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
brandon_a_boyer
brandon_a_boyer
7. RE: Raging Judge
Nov 11 2011, 7:59 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 11 2011, 7:59 AM EST
"I agree with you all that the Judge is useless beyond 10 or 15 feet. I think it's more of home defense weapon that would be more effective than a shotgun. A shotgun is hard to maneuver around in a house/apartment due to the long barrel. The Judge is much more compact and has the same scatter effect. My father bought one for this reason. I have no doubt it will fatally take down whoever breaks into their house. "
I have to disagree with you Sullivan. I don't even think the Judge would be effective for home defense. You cannot get shells that are effective as home defense loads.

The Judge was supposed to be an Anti-Carjacker gun, that is it.
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2WheeledSpeed
2WheeledSpeed
8. RE: Raging Judge
Nov 11 2011, 9:19 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 11 2011, 9:19 AM EST
"It's a gimmick gun. The original judge was designed with one very specific purpose in mind. Unfortunately people mistook it for being a legal sawed of shotgun, which it isn't. The .410 is useless beyond 10 feet."
+1

The ability to shoot .410 "shotgun" shells isn't as cool as Taurus would lead us to believe.
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cavscout888
cavscout888
9. RE: Raging Judge
Nov 11 2011, 9:28 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 11 2011, 9:28 AM EST
Like a pistol AR15, traits of both but good at neither. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
brandon_a_boyer
brandon_a_boyer
10. RE: Raging Judge
Nov 11 2011, 10:24 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 11 2011, 10:24 AM EST
"Like a pistol AR15, traits of both but good at neither."
I have to diagree there. I personally like the idea of a chopped AR that uses standard mags. Not only does it simplify ammo usage, but it also allows you to have a short, but powerful weapon for when you are in confined areas/vehicles.
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chitoryu12
chitoryu12
11. RE: Raging Judge
Nov 11 2011, 11:44 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 11 2011, 11:44 AM EST
"Like a pistol AR15, traits of both but good at neither."
I'd rather have an AR pistol than a Judge; the AR-15 can still hit way harder than a .410 shell out of a pistol barrel, and it'll probably hit a target at a longer range than the Judge because they didn't try to fudge on the rifling to make it worth something and end up with a gun that had a terrible shot pattern and bad bullet accuracy.

The Judge is little more than a gimmick that doesn't work very well at either of its intended jobs.
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brandon_a_boyer
brandon_a_boyer
12. RE: Raging Judge
Nov 11 2011, 11:54 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 11 2011, 11:54 AM EST
You'd be better off with a S&W governor, with that one at least you can use clipped .45 acp casings. Do you find this valuable?    
John_234
John_234
13. RE: Raging Judge
Nov 11 2011, 12:01 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 11 2011, 12:01 PM EST
It's been said that the Judge was designed as a carjacker gun, but I think it's really more, something that it was found to be suited for - it's only real design imperative was "hey, shotgun revolver sounds cool." And I suppose even poor penetrating, inaccurate buckshot will ruin someone's day at car window range.

I wouldn't volunteer to be shot by one, but it's a pretty big deal that no judge loads pass the 12'' in ballistic gel FBI minimum - it being worth noting that rounds meeting the standard have and will fail.

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chitoryu12
chitoryu12
14. RE: Raging Judge
Nov 11 2011, 12:02 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 11 2011, 12:02 PM EST
If someone's carjacking me, can I just used a .38 instead? Do you find this valuable?    
John_234
John_234
15. RE: Raging Judge
Nov 11 2011, 12:08 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 11 2011, 12:08 PM EST
"If someone's carjacking me, can I just used a .38 instead?"
The fact that I hate .38s for carry aside, I don't think gun choice really matters at that range and situation.
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brandon_a_boyer
brandon_a_boyer
16. RE: Raging Judge
Nov 11 2011, 12:27 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 11 2011, 12:27 PM EST
"It's been said that the Judge was designed as a carjacker gun, but I think it's really more, something that it was found to be suited for - it's only real design imperative was "hey, shotgun revolver sounds cool." And I suppose even poor penetrating, inaccurate buckshot will ruin someone's day at car window range.

I wouldn't volunteer to be shot by one, but it's a pretty big deal that no judge loads pass the 12'' in ballistic gel FBI minimum - it being worth noting that rounds meeting the standard have and will fail.

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The idea was to put something like #4 shot in it and just hose the person in the face. It may not kill them, but I promise they won't be having a great day either.

My major issue at first was that the Original judge only held 2.5" .410 shells, so the maximum size shot was 000 buck with only 3 pellets per round. This was remedied later with the Judge Magnum Edition, which can handle 3" shells, but still that's only 5 pellets of 000 shot.
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John_234
John_234
17. RE: Raging Judge
Nov 11 2011, 12:37 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 11 2011, 12:37 PM EST
"The idea was to put something like #4 shot in it and just hose the person in the face. It may not kill them, but I promise they won't be having a great day either.

My major issue at first was that the Original judge only held 2.5" .410 shells, so the maximum size shot was 000 buck with only 3 pellets per round. This was remedied later with the Judge Magnum Edition, which can handle 3" shells, but still that's only 5 pellets of 000 shot."
It's not really payload so much as velocity. We're talking soft lead pellets that aren't optimally shaped to penetrate a target. A lot of velocity is needed to make that lethal, and those tiny shells tend to come short.
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Sullivan714
Sullivan714
18. RE: Raging Judge
Nov 11 2011, 1:24 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 11 2011, 1:24 PM EST
"I have to disagree with you Sullivan. I don't even think the Judge would be effective for home defense. You cannot get shells that are effective as home defense loads.

The Judge was supposed to be an Anti-Carjacker gun, that is it."
Really? I guess it would depend on the size house a person would have, but I'm pretty sure a shot to even the stomach would put a person down. Maybe they'd be alive but I doubt they could get back up again without being in serious discomfort.
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John_234
John_234
19. RE: Raging Judge
Nov 11 2011, 1:28 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 11 2011, 1:28 PM EST
"Really? I guess it would depend on the size house a person would have, but I'm pretty sure a shot to even the stomach would put a person down. Maybe they'd be alive but I doubt they could get back up again without being in serious discomfort. "
You know, if someone went to the lengths of breaking into your home, resisting at the sight of a gun and getting to the point of getting shot, I wouldn't exactly expect them to be weak-willed and easily dissuaded.
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