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Sharpie41 |
Standard issue firearms to your country
Nov 13 2011, 1:04 AM EST
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This is kind of a sequel to speedybobneville's "Standard issue firearm to U.S. Civilians" except you put your country and what gun YOU would expect to be issued and why (If for whatever reason it happened) Lets go with one rifle and calibre, one pistol and calibre and one special purpose device (Shotgun, flare device, whatever) State your country then the firearms.Canada: Rife: Lee-Enfield in .303 or .308, .303 to simplify issue, .308 to interchange ammo with our C6 machine guns. Why? Because they are simple to use for someone with minimal training (The branch of our military that patrols the arctic is wanting a new rifle, this fits what I think should be issued http://www.casr.ca/bg-crr-canadian-ranger-rifle.htm) Pistol: I would say Glock in 9mm. Why? Because Glock's are easy to use, snappy but light recoil and in 9mm because our military use's 9mm handguns and SMG's SPD: I am going to go with shotgun, probably 870 in 12 ga, why? 12 gauges are quite prominent in this gun shy country and they are easy to use. Now what would you choose? PS: just because someone has already said your country but a different selection should not deter you from saying your own, let your thoughts be heard Do you find this valuable? |
randomknife666 |
1. RE: Standard issue firearms to your country
Nov 13 2011, 2:58 AM EST
Also CanadaRifle- M1A or M14- Semi-auto only (as much as I love the Enfield there Sharpie, I think a semi-auto design would sell better for a national militia), the .308 round interchanges with the full blown military's C6's and is sufficient to take down most game animals (dual purpose) along with increasing our overall range (Canada has a wide range of terrain types, .308 would work well in most of them). Sidearm- Browning High-Power, keep it the same as the normal army here, to simplify things. SPD- Not to different from you sharpie, but I'll take the Mossberg 500 in 12 gauge. Do you find this valuable? |
Sullivan714 |
2. RE: Standard issue firearms to your country
Nov 13 2011, 3:37 AM EST
United States:Rifle: AR-15/M4 Carbine because it is a very accurate weapon, simple to field strip and reliable when cleaned. It has many custom accessories. It is light weight and shorter than the M16 rifle making it more easy to maneuver along with its collapsible stock in close quarters. Pistol: Beretta M9 because it is a very accurate close range weapon. Also simple to field strip and is also reliable. The standard magazine holds 15 rounds. Chambered in 9mm which is a common round. SPD: Collapsible baton because it is a great self defense tool that can be used to trigger pressure points, leverage, and breaking away from your opponent. Many Military, Law Enforcement, and Security personnel carry and use this tool throughout the nation. Do you find this valuable? |
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Sharpie41 |
3. RE: Standard issue firearms to your country
Nov 13 2011, 11:19 AM EST
"Also CanadaHaha, I knew you would say the M1A, but the cons for it are that there are more moving parts and that may complicate training, the enfiled has the bolt and the firing pin. But I like your choice. Browning hipower, has a safety and an external hammer, the safety may complicate training and the hammer may snag on clothing. And the mossy, is basically just a different design, no pros of cons compared to the 870, which I choose because that's what the military uses. Overall, I like your choices. Oh, did you hear that the Rangers are wanting new rifles? I think they'll be going with a .308 bolt action, I have no idea why they wouldn't just rebarrel their existing rifles, I wonder if they'll be selling off their rifles with a program similar to the civve marksmanship program Do you find this valuable? |
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Sharpie41 |
4. RE: Standard issue firearms to your country
Nov 13 2011, 11:46 PM EST
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Falco_McPony |
5. RE: Standard issue firearms to your country
Nov 14 2011, 11:26 AM EST
"Also Canadathe military version of the AR15....we use is called the c7 and the c8 is the carbine version, it uses .223 rem and 5.56 NATO....... 308 is overkill for game here unless your far north, and ammo is bulky, slightly lighter rounds chambered in 270 would be a better option, and is more plentiful here than 308 Do you find this valuable? |
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Falco_McPony |
6. RE: Standard issue firearms to your country
Nov 14 2011, 11:28 AM EST
"Tthe Lee Enfield is still in use for arctic reservist units only, called the Canadian Rangers.....and they are a first nations battalion. that's the only time is sees use anymore, other than cadet target shooting, and those that have been converted to .22lr Do you find this valuable? |
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Sharpie41 |
7. RE: Standard issue firearms to your country
Nov 14 2011, 11:33 AM EST
"the military version of the AR15....we use is called the c7 and the c8 is the carbine version, it uses .223 rem and 5.56 NATO....... 308 is overkill for game here unless your far north, and ammo is bulky, slightly lighter rounds chambered in 270 would be a better option, and is more plentiful here than 308"Technically they are 5.56, not .223. The .308 is underkill when far north, perfect everywhere else. The reason we picked either .303 or .308 is because we have military units that use those calibres. And we both know the rangers use Lee-Enfields, I mentioned them.....and anyone can join them, doesn't matter if you're not native Do you find this valuable? |
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Sharpie41 |
8. RE: Standard issue firearms to your country
Nov 14 2011, 11:40 AM EST
"the Lee Enfield is still in use for arctic reservist units only, called the Canadian Rangers.....and they are a first nations battalion.And I know all about the No. 7s, I have used them extensively Do you find this valuable? |
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randomknife666 |
9. RE: Standard issue firearms to your country
Nov 14 2011, 12:00 PM EST
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"the military version of the AR15....we use is called the c7 and the c8 is the carbine version, it uses .223 rem and 5.56 NATO....... 308 is overkill for game here unless your far north, and ammo is bulky, slightly lighter rounds chambered in 270 would be a better option, and is more plentiful here than 308"The C6 is our countries GPMG, it's our countries designation of the FN MAG, and it is chambered for the same .308 round that the M14/M1A fires. Being an avid hunter, I can tell you that a .308 is almost a minimum for a moose, and perfect for deer, wolves, and most wild game in this country. Also, thanks to current laws, it is illegal to hunt with a 5.56 round. Sorry, but your post leads me to believe you don't know much about hunting and game animals in this country. Do you find this valuable? |
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Falco_McPony |
10. RE: Standard issue firearms to your country
Nov 14 2011, 1:06 PM EST
"The C6 is our countries GPMG, it's our countries designation of the FN MAG, and it is chambered for the same .308 round that the M14/M1A fires. Being an avid hunter, I can tell you that a .308 is almost a minimum for a moose, and perfect for deer, wolves, and most wild game in this country. Also, thanks to current laws, it is illegal to hunt with a 5.56 round. Sorry, but your post leads me to believe you don't know much about hunting and game animals in this country."where i live.....London, Canada you cannot hunt south of the french and matawan rivers with anything larger than 270 north of that your open to 30 cal as a maximum. ive been hunting for years........you most certainly use 5.56 for hunting, however, its classed to small for white tails around here, even though a good shot would do the job. the other thing, is that you cant hunt with FMJ rounds south of the french ant matawan rivers either i own may rifles, pistols and restricted arms and i know all about the hunting in my country i know people that hunt moose and bear every year with a 270.........one shot.....wheelhouse everytime Do you find this valuable? |
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Falco_McPony |
11. RE: Standard issue firearms to your country
Nov 14 2011, 1:10 PM EST
270 is far more plentiful than 308 or even 30-06.the Canadian military doesn't sell bulk ammo, my local gun shops get bulk ammo from the US, and very rarely 308 and as for finding a truck with ammo on it.......wont happen, the troopers take it with em.....how do i know that.... im in the CF......and artillery gunner. Do you find this valuable? |
Madurjafro |
12. RE: Standard issue firearms to your country
Nov 14 2011, 1:19 PM EST
Let me do one For Britain:Spoon, a dessert spoon. But seriously, they'd give us jack ****. Do you find this valuable? |
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Sharpie41 |
13. RE: Standard issue firearms to your country
Nov 14 2011, 1:44 PM EST
"where i live.....London, CanadaWe weren't talking about using FMJ for hunting, and those are your local laws, the majority of Canada doesn't have maximums on calibres. My gun shop gets pallet loads of .308, never seen bulk .270. Again no one said anything about ammo from trucks, this thread is "what if we were issued guns" not "raid armored trucks for ammo" we mentioned .308 in case for whatever reason we needed to fight alongside the CF we could resupply from them, last time I checked I couldn't resupply from the CF, I could with 9mm, .357 SIG, 5.56, 7.62 x51, 12.7x99nato and .338, and for shotguns, 12 ga. Do you find this valuable? |
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Falco_McPony |
14. RE: Standard issue firearms to your country
Nov 14 2011, 1:45 PM EST
"We weren't talking about using FMJ for hunting, and those are your local laws, the majority of Canada doesn't have maximums on calibres.well im going to your gun shop for 308 then! Do you find this valuable? |
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Sharpie41 |
15. RE: Standard issue firearms to your country
Nov 14 2011, 1:54 PM EST
"well im going to your gun shop for 308 then!"Calgary Alberta. The Shooting Edge Do you find this valuable? |
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randomknife666 |
16. RE: Standard issue firearms to your country
Nov 14 2011, 2:32 PM EST
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"270 is far more plentiful than 308 or even 30-06."Now I have to disagree with you greatly here, .308, and 30-06 are two of the most popular rounds on the North American continent. 270 is the maximum you can use for SMALL game legally. I live in Northwestern Ontario, and around here the .308, .303 British, and 30-06 are the most popular, no one I know owns a .270, most people around here don't trust it to take down a deer if its under a .30 cal, much less a moose. Will a .270 take a moose, perhaps, but it depends more on the shooter than the caliber in that case. If you think a .308 is overpowered for most game, you are quite delusional, a .308 doesn't even compare to my 30-06, or my step dads .300 WSM (which is used for deer, moose, and almost anything) Now, this thread was NOT about the cartridge, so much as it was about the rifle firing it, it was what we wanted if our country ever armed its populace in a form of militia. I simply stated that a rifle chambered in the .308 cartridge could serve the dual purpose of hunting (with privately owned ammo), and you could use it to fight if the country was invaded. Do you find this valuable? |
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Falco_McPony |
17. RE: Standard issue firearms to your country
Nov 14 2011, 2:42 PM EST
im not saying its not common, im saying Sw ontario doesnt carry alot of it270 is way more popular here if i was shooting elk i would want a 30 cal......lots to pick from....over a 270........seeing as we only have white tails here, 270 is more than enough Do you find this valuable? |
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Sharpie41 |
18. RE: Standard issue firearms to your country
Nov 14 2011, 3:55 PM EST
"im not saying its not common, im saying Sw ontario doesnt carry alot of itOkay well what would you pick for issue to a militia unit? Do you find this valuable? |
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Falco_McPony |
19. RE: Standard issue firearms to your country
Nov 14 2011, 4:20 PM EST
"Okay well what would you pick for issue to a militia unit?"that would depend on hostile targets it would be used on..... semi or bolt actions....... mag fed or single shot.... im gonna assume we are talking shambling zombies.......not running ones..... where one would simply have to put a hole in their heads, to kill them. as oppose to blowing their heads clean off! im also gonna assume there are no "raider" types around( thats a whole other bag of tricks) its really hard to pick THE perfect firearm...... in a city environment, your looking at close quarters, scavenging, clearing rooms and houses...etc. i would feel noise and issue to attract more Z's to the area. a .22lr semi auto for shots under 50m, which i would assume would be the case in a city would be more than enough, light enough to run with, not really any recoil so your gonna be on target if more than one are present, you also have the option of subsonic's to reduce noise. ammo is light. and plentiful, high capacity mags are available for most models, however, long term use, and ammo shortages are an issue as you cant reload it. in a more rural area.......where you can see them coming.....farm land for instance around here is everywhere........bolt actions might be better, easy to maintain, i would suggest .223/5.56, iron sighted shots can be done pretty easy to 150 m or more. groups of them would pose and issue also bolt actions are "normally" internal box mags, which means loose ammo. you can also reload this ammo too, make custom loads for quieter reports etc, ammo does weigh more though, is common around here. would also depend on whether you are on the move all the time, or defending a compound of base type structure. Do you find this valuable? |
