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FreeButter
FreeButter
why is it blank!?
Nov 15 2011, 11:30 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 15 2011, 11:30 PM EST
Where are all the gems for the lads and ladies in NZ and AUS? are we doomed cause we dont have fire arms widely available.... speaking of which do we REALLY need fire arms? Do you find this valuable?    
BigLoki
BigLoki
1. RE: why is it blank!?
Nov 15 2011, 11:50 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 15 2011, 11:50 PM EST
It's all in the works, the page is in the middle of a project to organize some of the pages and such. There are plenty of things from and for countries other than the US, they're just a bit scattered now until we get it finished up.

Firearms are up for debate all over the site.
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Sharpie41
Sharpie41
2. RE: why is it blank!?
Nov 15 2011, 11:59 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 15 2011, 11:59 PM EST
What BL said...

As for firearms, I won't be caught dead without a couple of guns after SHTF (Well, unless I die and some takes them, then I WILL be caught dead)
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FreeButter
FreeButter
3. RE: why is it blank!?
Nov 16 2011, 12:09 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 16 2011, 12:09 AM EST
Awesome. Apologies from this newbie! Do you find this valuable?    
whitefang10
whitefang10
4. RE: why is it blank!?
Nov 16 2011, 1:13 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 16 2011, 1:13 AM EST
I think you'll find NZ firearms laws are not to bad, and you can still get firearms relitivly easily as well. Regarding why it is empty, the page is still in the works and I'm still waiting on the mods to accept my request to become a writer. Do you find this valuable?    
FrankLeeDeRainged
FrankLeeDeRainged
5. RE: why is it blank!?
Nov 16 2011, 6:53 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 16 2011, 6:53 AM EST
"speaking of which do we REALLY need fire arms?"
Not so much a can of worms in that question as a nest of vipers!

The friends-of-the-gun are dominant here - they wouldn't have it any other way ; ) but some, just some of us believe that the false sense of invulnerability that comes from a complicated and quite possibly unsustainable weapons system will be a lethal drawback.

Simply put, that you won't run away when you aught to because your packing will be a major cause of death among would-be survivors.

If conflicts are won by the minds and spirits of the people involved, the wielders, rather than the weapons, then being aware of the weapons affect on 'your' state of mind seems pretty important. People who practice with melee weapons are acutely aware of their limitations and gun enthusiasts come across as less so.
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OutlawJames
OutlawJames
6. RE: why is it blank!?
Nov 16 2011, 8:02 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 16 2011, 8:02 AM EST
"Not so much a can of worms in that question as a nest of vipers!

The friends-of-the-gun are dominant here - they wouldn't have it any other way ; ) but some, just some of us believe that the false sense of invulnerability that comes from a complicated and quite possibly unsustainable weapons system will be a lethal drawback.

Simply put, that you won't run away when you aught to because your packing will be a major cause of death among would-be survivors.

If conflicts are won by the minds and spirits of the people involved, the wielders, rather than the weapons, then being aware of the weapons affect on 'your' state of mind seems pretty important. People who practice with melee weapons are acutely aware of their limitations and gun enthusiasts come across as less so.
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BAsically what Frank said, I do have many firearms but strongly support the "disengage and fade" Line of thought. Only fight when no other line is available. and DON'T go lookinig for a fight.
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FreeButter
FreeButter
7. RE: why is it blank!?
Nov 16 2011, 3:19 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 16 2011, 3:19 PM EST
In Aus where I live where fire arms isn't in great circulation I would think that having fire arms would be an advantage initially. But ammo would run out fairly quickly even amongst a fair small group of survivors Do you find this valuable?    
whitefang10
whitefang10
8. RE: why is it blank!?
Nov 16 2011, 3:39 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 16 2011, 3:39 PM EST
"[1]In Aus where I live where fire arms isn't in great circulation [2] I would think that having fire arms would be an advantage initially. But ammo would run out fairly quickly even amongst a fair small group of survivors"
[1] This is simply not true, there are heaps of firearms in Australia, and with a bit of persistence it not that hard to get a firearm.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-11-12/gun-ownership-on-the-rise/3662504

"Last financial year alone Australians imported more than 85,000 firearms, including 44,000 rifles, 12,000 shotguns and nearly 20,000 handguns, and research by Radio National’s Background Briefing program has revealed a resurging interest in guns and hunting. "

[2] With proper stockpiling that is not true, .22 ammo is fairly cheap 5000 rounds will cost you about $320, if you bought in even bigger nots it would be cheaper. A Mosin Nagant will cost you about 450-500 bucks. 440 rounds of corrosive ammo will cost $265. You shouldn't need much more than 1000 rounds, but to be on the safe side you should probably get 3000, that will allow for loss of ammo in stockpiles, barter etc.
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FreeButter
FreeButter
9. RE: why is it blank!?
Nov 16 2011, 11:54 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 16 2011, 11:54 PM EST
Cool, I did not know that. .22 are fairly common. I have never loaded any myself, but a few shooting clubs in Sydney area stock .22 rifles (Auburn, Moore Park) for use by registered members. They load the ammo for you though. Do you find this valuable?    
inu-dude25
inu-dude25
10. RE: why is it blank!?
Nov 17 2011, 12:50 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 17 2011, 12:50 AM EST
Load the magazines? I don't even think you can reload .22's as they're rimfire, not that it's really worth it anyway from a price standpoint. And they are very easy to carry. I have an old ammo can which filled only weighs maybe ten pounds or so and holds over two thousand rounds of .22lr. Do you find this valuable?    
whitefang10
whitefang10
11. RE: why is it blank!?
Nov 17 2011, 2:17 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 17 2011, 2:17 AM EST
"Load the magazines? I don't even think you can reload .22's "
yeah, I'm also a little confused as to what you mean. You should really consider getting a firearms license and doing a bit of hunting once you are fully acquainted.
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Sharpie41
Sharpie41
12. RE: why is it blank!?
Nov 17 2011, 9:05 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 17 2011, 9:05 AM EST
"Load the magazines? I don't even think you can reload .22's as they're rimfire, not that it's really worth it anyway from a price standpoint. And they are very easy to carry. I have an old ammo can which filled only weighs maybe ten pounds or so and holds over two thousand rounds of .22lr."
You can't reload .22s
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FreeButter
FreeButter
13. RE: why is it blank!?
Nov 17 2011, 3:59 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 17 2011, 3:59 PM EST
"You can't reload .22s"
As you can tell I have very little fire arm exp. it may be cheap and easy to get hold of now but on z day would you be considering reloading it? Unless as sharpie says you absolutely can't ...
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whitefang10
whitefang10
14. RE: why is it blank!?
Nov 17 2011, 4:02 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 17 2011, 4:02 PM EST
"As you can tell I have very little fire arm exp. it may be cheap and easy to get hold of now but on z day would you be considering reloading it? Unless as sharpie says you absolutely can't ..."
I've read their was some product back in the 1930's to do it but the parts are not sold anymore.

Anyway, even if you could it would not be worth it. Its so cheap to buy you may as well just boy 10000 bullets and you should be right.
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Sharpie41
Sharpie41
15. RE: why is it blank!?
Nov 17 2011, 4:18 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 17 2011, 4:19 PM EST
"As you can tell I have very little fire arm exp. it may be cheap and easy to get hold of now but on z day would you be considering reloading it? Unless as sharpie says you absolutely can't ..."
You cannot, the casings do not have replacement primers to pop out then a new one in. As fang said, they're so cheap you may as well buy a ton then keep 'em handy. If you want a reloadable case I would go with a .22 hornet or something similar
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