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brinker1923
brinker1923
naturalist survival
Nov 18 2011, 6:42 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 18 2011, 6:42 PM EST
I have been wondering for awhile now but after about 10 years since the last zeds are dead and technology breaks down entirely...how do people plan on continuing there lives?

In my eyes this is a major problem because it may take hundreds of years to get back to where we were when we could easily maintain our homes and go buy new things that we need in order to continue with our lives...i don't know about you, but i sure don't know how to make a hoe for gardening or insulation for warmth.

This just makes me wonder, how much is long term and how sustainable can someone be? 2  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    
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Carnack
Carnack
1. RE: naturalist survival
Nov 18 2011, 7:30 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 18 2011, 7:30 PM EST
1: In the event of something like this your way of life now is done. No amount of rebuilding will bring it back.

2: Some tech will break down but unless the ZP causes mass amnesia we as a race will still know the tech and some of the principles behind it which will increase its longevity to a degree.

Re Making a hoe: Look at the tool and how it is used. With gardening tools form follows function. That said while the design is simple you can always stock up some of the heads now.

Re Insulation: Study bro. I say a solid way to do it in a pinch is crumpling up paper (newspaper works best since they have larger sheets) and then stuffing them between layers of clothing.

You simply cannot be attached to modern stuff and self-sustain. You will need to used to less stuff in order to do so. 1  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
Oakspar77777
Oakspar77777
2. RE: naturalist survival
Nov 19 2011, 10:20 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 19 2011, 10:20 PM EST
Obviously, there will be no need of an IT tech or a tax accountant - but whatever you are doing to survive will continue to be your occupation.

Of course, you will learn to farm and eventually you will learn to manufacture. You will be able to keep going withing worrying about making new tools, buildings, or metal manufacturing. By the time you need those things, you will have time for trial and error.

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junedragon3
junedragon3
3. RE: naturalist survival
Nov 20 2011, 2:07 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 20 2011, 2:07 PM EST
It's quite simple. All you do is:

1) move your mouse to the left side of the page.
2) click on the small arrow beside "the Survival Guide"
3) click on "living"
4) read the pages

Congratulations. You know have most of the knowledge you need to be self sufficient after a Zedpoc scenario. 4  out of 5 found this valuable. Do you?    
shadowmancer
shadowmancer
4. RE: naturalist survival
Jan 20 2012, 3:06 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 20 2012, 3:08 AM EST
well considering we need to source resources - the collapse of international trade and such will set people back in redevelopment and reconstruction - civilization collapse will occur - modern tech is designed with prophet in mind so it falls apart quickly - but thankfully there is a whole slew of old tech laying arround across the world - 19th century and early 20th - which will last for centuries - steam engines may rot however those plows people use for decoration? i see them they are still functional - as long as old people aren't wiped out we would only be delayed by 1or 2 generations in the reestablisment of tech - gotta love the archives in universities holding all this usesful information - in a medium that will survive- such as microfilm - lots of people will die some speicalties will get lost but the printing press made sure we can perserve knowledge as well - billions books are floating arround globally - its not like only bad romance novels will survive. don't forget the mennonites and amish - they know what they are doing - modern agriculture dates only from the mid 1950's - so any farm boy born before ww2 would be an asset - so don't abandon old people!! we need them later! Do you find this valuable?    
LJ126
LJ126
5. RE: naturalist survival
Jan 20 2012, 10:45 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 20 2012, 11:27 AM EST
I think the concept of "continuing one's life" post-Apocalypse is somewhat silly. If you could just continue afterward as if nothing happened, it wasn't the Apocalypse. It is going to be a permanent, life-altering, mass-extinction event. There is no guarantee of survival, much less maintaining any semblance of normal life. Do you find this valuable?    
Frag-12
Frag-12
6. RE: naturalist survival
Jan 20 2012, 11:33 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 20 2012, 11:33 AM EST
Oh man, the world would be a totally different place and I strongly believe it is a very hard thing to imagine. Apocalyptic (zed) movies and Fallout the computer game is one thing, real life is another because of the unknown and the genre creators do not think of all of the possibilities or can not include all of the possibilities because of time constraints or boring aspects to true survival. Self sustainability and learning to live on an acre or more is a good step in learning how to survive the rebuilding years. However, I believe homes will be more like what we read about in WWZ because there is always a chance that a zed is still stalking or lurking in the shadows waiting for its next victim. If not a live zed, perhaps the zed condition is still lurking in the shadows waiting for the most opportune time to scourge mankind once more? In addition, to self sustainability, everyone will be looking over their shoulders for raiders until communities, perhaps governments, and perhaps armies are re-established and for that lurking zombie or zombie condition to reemerge. Life and humanity will never be the same. In some aspects, life will be good and in others, dismal or the feeling of being alone. I can honestly say that I will be happy without huge populations because I really dislike being in large cities around many people. People tend to act more foolish (selfish) when cramped up in the city and act more decent in the country once they believe you are fine example of humanity in their mind’s eye. At least this is my observation in both environments.

As for the return of today's humanity, that may take hundreds or a thousand years depending on the loss of life and technology during the reign of the zed. After the Fall of Rome, it took what 500 to 1000 years before there was another technology and artistic jump in Europe? In addition, a city population to reach a million people (London). Do you find this valuable?    
Frag-12
Frag-12
7. RE: naturalist survival
Jan 20 2012, 11:38 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 20 2012, 11:42 AM EST
@Oakspar

I agree and disagree with your IT Tech assessment. I agree that there will be no need for IT Tech as a career. As humanity rebuilds, the computer will once again become popular and there will be community pockets who generate power that will continue to use the computer and someone will be needed to maintain them. As long as the technology remains, so does the computer tech\engineer largely as a hobby and not a career. Do you find this valuable?    
shadowmancer
shadowmancer
8. RE: naturalist survival
Jan 20 2012, 7:34 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 20 2012, 7:46 PM EST
also an interesting note - thermal valves (base point of modern tech) are quite easy to make - the problem is that we never thought to make them before - tech only disapears if its unneeded - but the principals behind tech never do - after the collapse of the roman empire life was quite similar to the roman empire for the people until the begining of the industrial age - life didnt change - only the economic system which allowed for mass military and trading routes was lost - most tech actually increased by quantum leaps in the so called dark ages. the abilities of modern humans aren't all that different from the ancients in most respects the only difference is the required man power - they often say romans could have built steam engines - they had all the parts but had no need - they had massive slave workforces - tech only makes work easier so we'll basically be reset to the mid victorian period and to get to that point shouldn't take more than 2 or 3generations because the knowledge base is still there - math - the survivors will have a **** of a time first generation will have it slightly better - third - we'll begin to industrialize - fouth we'll be victorians -should add victorian age was quite long - will take up 2 gens - so in short we will lose 200 years to development. Do you find this valuable?    
ConcernedFather
ConcernedFather
9. RE: naturalist survival
Jan 30 2012, 12:29 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 30 2012, 12:29 AM EST
If you can... stock up on early 1900s agriculture and animal husbandry books. To survive, to be able to feed yourself, your family, your friends you will have to know how to produce your own food and preserve it. You will need access to land and equipment (hand tools and a lot of elbow grease) area to plant a garden and if you have the forethought and space to start an orchard of perennial fruits or nuts (apple, apricot, raspberry, strawberry walnut...) get to it. As for meat, think small livestock. Chickens, rabbits, goats... easier to house and feed than cows. Check out the book called "Back to Basics", it has a lot of good suggestions for basic homesteading. Acquire a "bug out zone", stock it, fortify it, make it your vacation home 'til it has to become your permanent home. Be prepared to defend it because what you have others will want. Stock up on several firearms of the same caliber (pistols and carbines of the same caliber) and stock up on ammo. Practice. Practice. Practice. Prepare for the worst but hope for the best. If you're prepared for one apocalypse you're probably fairly well prepared for others. Do you find this valuable?    
chitoryu12
chitoryu12
10. RE: naturalist survival
Jan 30 2012, 7:15 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 30 2012, 7:15 AM EST
"It's quite simple. All you do is:

1) move your mouse to the left side of the page.
2) click on the small arrow beside "the Survival Guide"
3) click on "living"
4) read the pages

Congratulations. You know have most of the knowledge you need to be self sufficient after a Zedpoc scenario."
Not until you actually do most of that for yourself. Do you find this valuable?    
Vito12
Vito12
11. RE: naturalist survival
Mar 12 2012, 10:19 AM EDT | Post edited: Mar 12 2012, 10:23 AM EDT
a large proportion of technology introduced in the last twenty years has been consumerist. since the CD, the cell phone and GPS were all introduced at the end of the eighties, there ahs been no "new" technology, only "improvements" - the iPad or any tablet is only touch screen, PC and mobile phone technology rolled into one package! the GPS now has a colour screen with better graphics, but essentially the GPS taken to Iraq in 1990 was only the older brother of the one taken there in 2003, but no new tech
our modern society based on consumerism (no longer capitalism) means that bulit0-in obsollesence takes place the day before release. take for instance the PS3, only three or four years old, PS4 is on its way, and PS6 is already in the design going to development stages! the blackberry that you bouhgt the day after release is already three generations old, and it has only been six months!
twin-tub and manual-program washing machines, ovens and so on may make a come-back (for the better)
in fact if you find that you have too many people in your colony, then if not slavery, at least manual labour makes more sense than trying to give people more spare time.
it took mankind 150,000 years to get beyond hunter-gatherer - only weapons and survival technology;
another 30,000 years to move from subsistence farming (culture - one farmer on his acre(s) couldn't quite feed his family, almost definitely not all year-round) - introduced technology: draught animals, domestic animals, easily led to the slaughter - no more hunting, plough, hoe;
civilisation - village . town / city and farms was the time when men were able to specialise - they became carpenters, tool makers, some remained farmers, traders, and most importantly for us thinkers who brought us the written word - only 10,000 years or so ago. a message could go further than one days walk and still retain all of its intent, we now had history! 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
Vito12
Vito12
12. RE: naturalist survival
Mar 12 2012, 10:48 AM EDT | Post edited: Mar 12 2012, 10:48 AM EDT
mankind had time to think - design an alphabet, to keep a record of what was happening about him, politics and law, philosophy. "modern" technology became common place - the padlock and key, writing utensils and ink and paper, navigation tools such as the compass, sextant and astrolabe; we also get the water pump and aqueduct, allowing rome to be built far from the closest water source
the next big jump is the romans, roads and portland cement
and then the industrial revolution of the late 1700's - steam, railroads, etc... and cities growing bigger than 100,000 residents.
major population boom - people rented in the city, on farms they had to establish their household first (marry between 25-28), now they married earlier than 23, increased fertility, older people were retired from the factories could look after grandchildren - bigger population meant more technologies had to grow - just to keep them occupied.
most technologies that grew up in the last 250 years were military-based or were developed quicker due to their applications in the military mileau. 99% of modern medicine is wartime-developments or improvements on older developments, which had started in the previous war.
the PC, CD (as an information medium), cameras, optics, GPS, steam and then diesel and then nuclear-powered ships, the submarine (which has very few civilian or non-military applications)
the military have been instrumental in causing or forcing the development of so much of our modern technology, in fact we now start wars so that GPS or cellular phone technologies can be introduced to the general populace (1990 Iraq)
finally we get the recreation stage, in the last fifty years mankind has gone from fifty hour work weeks to being able to spend more time at play, than their forebears spent in the fields. sports for instance requires sufficient surplus of people and resources, no superbowl post-apoc, sorry
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