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fixdeluxe1 |
Venting...........
Nov 19 2011, 1:59 AM EST
I just had a huge argument with this suburban spoilt brat soccer mom (in a respectful manner I might add) about things like violent video games,MMA,bodybuilding,guns,survivalism and even porn for gods sake.The general idea that came across from her was "ban this,ban that" and I was getting visibly frustrated.I responded in kind by saying that she : 1.) Had no experience in any of these fields and so could not comment To which the reply was "I thank god I don't have....these things are wrong and the whole rambo argument blah blah" 2.) What right did she have to tell a person what they could/couldn't do.I said I enjoyed the idea of making Veganism illegal, to which she responded in horror.But I said I wouldn't push that agenda politically because I believed in individual freedom.Her counter argument was that people didn't know what was best and the safety of others needed to be taken into consideration. 3.) She brought up the fact that bodybuilding stunts growth and seemed to think everyone juices,to which I quoted numerous scientific studies done independently that verified that only a small majority of Gym rats used the gear and that bodybuilding actually enhances youth growth by producing more testosterone etc. 4.) She seemed to think that supplies should be stockpiled, but that weapons aren't needed and that the government would still be intact and able to assist.Almost laughable to everyone here on this forum. 5.) She said there were so many "facts" she had seen on the "news" about how violent video games and movies affect the mindset of ordinary kids and turn them into mass murderers.I stated that this was not true or else the millions of people who brought COD would go on a rampage cough cough.I also said even if,so what.I would rather they go on a shooting rampage than my personal freedom be restricted. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?
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redcomrad |
1. RE: Venting...........
Nov 19 2011, 4:45 AM EST
I know happens to me sometimes I'm quiet when i speak so when i try to speak they never hear me so i generally give up though. Also I'm generally kinda loner like so i never have that kinda problem often except with my brother. Finally i must say i agree with you to me personal freedom is in my opinion one of the most important things, there is but i do believe in certain things on collective responsibility like say defense and voting. But otherwise that's it also, don't let her get to you unless she pretty, and baby got back just ignore her and let natural selection play its role.
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FrankLeeDeRainged |
2. RE: Venting...........
Nov 19 2011, 5:38 AM EST
To (probably) mis-quote Aaron McGruder's inspired 'Boondocks;"Who you really gonna pick a beef with, a computer geek game designer or some scary dude with a warehouse full of AK47s?" _ 5 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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ItsMrManCub |
3. RE: Venting...........
Nov 19 2011, 10:31 AM EST
""Who you really gonna pick a beef with, a computer geek game designer or some scary dude with a warehouse full of AK47s?"Well the prize will definitely be greater when I take the warehouse full of AK47s. :D 6 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you? |
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cavscout888 |
4. RE: Venting...........
Nov 19 2011, 10:57 AM EST
Well, even if the lady was a do-gooder, thinking she knows how best to keep society safe (which isn't too rare, even in the whitehouse now), she has the freedom to think, and say, so.In reality, she is probably trying to have whatever school she has chosen for her child(ren) to teach what she feels is appropriate and to leave out what she doesn't like. When they don't do what she wants she will have a cause to fight. Maybe SHE should just instill good values in her kid(s). Honestly I don't want or appreciate her or others like her to tell me what I can and cannot do with things I am infinitely more proficent with than they are. They want to control things they shouldn't even be allowed to touch. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Carnack |
5. RE: Venting...........
Nov 19 2011, 12:32 PM EST
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1: Okay if you have never been in a survival situation please be quiet. You have no actual experience. *goes silent*2: Correct to a degree. 3: No comment. 4: Weapons *aren't * needed. More often than not your rifle will be a hunting tool for animals. 5: Actually she has something of a point. We do attain a level of desensitization by repeatedly witnessing violence. Not to say that they will go on a rampage but even I admit that I'm a lot more chilled about the prospect of abominable acts than I used to be. If we had an item that directly caused a lot of people to go berserk and put other people directly at risk restriction is needed. You can't claim personal freedom when what you do is directly harming and risking the lives of others. 1 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you? |
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cavscout888 |
6. RE: Venting...........
Nov 19 2011, 4:41 PM EST
"1: Okay if you have never been in a survival situation please be quiet. You have no actual experience. *goes silent*I can easily claim that I have a right to defend myself with something equal or great than a criminal can obtain, not to mention this country was formed from an overstepping government and made free by those who kept arms to bear against it. That was the frame of mind our country was founded on and any American citizen should remember that at the very least. If you aren't American, you have probably already let your rights be taken and have no place arguing this. You're past the point of no return and probably believe in the protectionist ways to a degree.. 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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zombiezlayer |
7. RE: Venting...........
Nov 19 2011, 4:57 PM EST
To paraphrase Robin Williams...The is a great country we live in. We have the right to bear arms, or the right to arm bears... Whatever the hell we want! 7 out of 7 found this valuable. Do you? |
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fixdeluxe1 |
8. RE: Venting...........
Nov 19 2011, 7:13 PM EST
"1: Okay if you have never been in a survival situation please be quiet. You have no actual experience. *goes silent*I think you are missing the point.I wasn't talking about survialist experience,I was talking about firearms & military experiences mainly.So your wrong with that. 3.) Good choice 4.) Say that when a 6 gangbangers packing heat smash into your house at 2am 5.) We don't,it's up to the individual.Ever heard the saying "If you outlaw guns,only the outlaws will have them".Enough said. P.S Don't waste your time defending her 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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fixdeluxe1 |
9. RE: Venting...........
Nov 19 2011, 7:18 PM EST
"Well, even if the lady was a do-gooder, thinking she knows how best to keep society safe (which isn't too rare, even in the whitehouse now), she has the freedom to think, and say, so.I perfectly agree with her right to speak her mind,but I cannot believe people like that actually get elected into power (i.e Australia,Germany etc) and oppress each and every individual freedom until we all become digits on a computer database. I do have some left-leanings,but what she was preaching is to me pure evil.Maybe it's the fact that I grew up with a mindset that it was fine to beat up the school bully,or take out my grandaddy's 30-30 and bag a buck without being labeled a potential mass murderer. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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fixdeluxe1 |
10. RE: Venting...........
Nov 19 2011, 7:22 PM EST
"To paraphrase Robin Williams...Perfect. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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SasquatchJim |
11. RE: Venting...........
Nov 19 2011, 7:23 PM EST
Do what I do; be too self-involved to care what others think about politics/choices. I'm here and I'm armed, get used to it!
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fixdeluxe1 |
12. RE: Venting...........
Nov 19 2011, 7:26 PM EST
"I know happens to me sometimes I'm quiet when i speak so when i try to speak they never hear me so i generally give up though. Also I'm generally kinda loner like so i never have that kinda problem often except with my brother. Finally i must say i agree with you to me personal freedom is in my opinion one of the most important things, there is but i do believe in certain things on collective responsibility like say defense and voting. But otherwise that's it also, don't let her get to you unless she pretty, and baby got back just ignore her and let natural selection play its role."Haha maybe hot for you dude......5ft 9 and brunette,athletic....want her number :) Do you find this valuable? |
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BigLoki |
13. RE: Venting...........
Nov 19 2011, 7:45 PM EST
I rarely agree with most people when most issues come up. I try not to debate them, because in the long run, it takes a lot more than one voice to change things.That said, I'm against the banning, of anything that isn't already banned. I'm against removing any more choices than have already been removed. If people can't be trusted to play a violent game, I don't know what to tell them. I will say, that most times, if you look at the person yelling "ban, ban, ban" they usually are either : 1) Control freaks- they believe that their view is the "right" view, and should therefore be the only view or 2) They have little to no control over their own lives, or households, and believe that if it is made illegal, then whatever it is that they disagree with will be taken care of by "the law". Not a huge fan of either groups, but just as much as I want to be able to have freedom, and choices... they are entitles to theirs also. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Carnack |
14. RE: Venting...........
Nov 19 2011, 8:46 PM EST
"I can easily claim that I have a right to defend myself with something equal or great than a criminal can obtain, "What are you talking about? 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Carnack |
15. RE: Venting...........
Nov 19 2011, 8:53 PM EST
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"4.) Say that when a 6 gangbangers packing heat smash into your house at 2am4: In terms of a survival situation one can obtain food and such without a firearm with some finess. However you are talking about a confrontation in which case yes a firearm would be fantastic. 5: Um not really. Exactly what part of my comment was that directed at? "We Don't" what? I'm not defending her but I can see where she's getting some of her mentallity from. That's all. She is correct in thinking that repeatedly seeing violence numbs us to it to a degree. However for the most part all that means is that we can see things that makes ordinary folks throw up. Very few will rampage because of a videogame. Those that do were probably touched already. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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fixdeluxe1 |
16. RE: Venting...........
Nov 19 2011, 9:19 PM EST
"4: In terms of a survival situation one can obtain food and such without a firearm with some finess.My biggest problem is that people who shelter themselves from the inevitable will inevitably wind up as victims. I won't use my firearm to obtain food via hunting as ammunition will be far too precious and in demand to waste when I could use a 120lb longbow or Javelin that can be re-used(only a simple sharpening and cleaning is required). In terms of #5 I was referring to "we" as in the people commenting here.My educated bet is that most of the people here on the boards or a large majority have played or seen violent video games,yet they haven't gone on a shooting rampage.Nor is there anything particularly wrong with lowered sensitivity towards violence.As long as you don't go out and murder kids at McDonalds,there is nothing wrong,no matter how you view violence.So to me that is a moot point. I was also making that quote in reference to her being of the opinion that "there is no good reason for civilians to own guns". 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Carnack |
17. RE: Venting...........
Nov 20 2011, 12:22 AM EST
5: I never said otherwise."Actually she has something of a point. We do attain a level of desensitization by repeatedly witnessing violence. ***Not to say that they will go on a rampage but even I admit that I'm a lot more chilled about the prospect of abominable acts than I used to be.*** As for nothing being wrong that is where you are wrong. The horror is a mental stumbling block we as a society have developed and being totally blunt here the odds of you being in a situation where that is a downside is collectivly slim. Soldiers undergo similar desensitization however they also undergo training to maximize their control over it. What happens when a young person (generally impulsive) loses a major mental stumbling block without gaining the self-control? Trouble. And while it isn't as drastic as a rampage it's no less harmful to those involved. "My biggest problem is that people who shelter themselves from the inevitable will inevitably wind up as victims." I'm sorry but this is simply presumptive on your part. Many people are as you say "sheltered" but because of the way society and numbers in general work a bad end is not nearly set in stone. 312,637,000 < the population of America give or take. You can bet that most of those are not into the whole self-defense thing. Criminals make up a tiny percentage of the population. Violent ones smaller still. So how on earth do you get that such a tiny number of people will get to every single "sheltered" person in America? 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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fixdeluxe1 |
18. RE: Venting...........
Nov 20 2011, 1:32 AM EST
"The United States also has the highest rate of incarceration in the world,with a large portion of those being violent or violently capable criminals.Top that with all the ones who aren't in prison,but members of street gangs,criminal organizations or just plain idiots.....that numbers in the millions.So you can't say that they are a tiny percentage when it's a clear and consistent problem.The U.S also suffers from a horrendous violent crime and murder rate for a 1st World country.Banning or restricting firearms won't do jack **** to stop this. There are also over 90 guns per 100 heads in the U.S and over 40 out of the 100 or so Americans I know on a personal face-to-face basis own a firearm for the purpose of self defense.It also has one of the highest rates of gun ownership in the world. Military training does not "desensitize" a persons perception of violence.I underwent basic military and then corps training(they call it AIT in America I believe) and the only thing it did was slightly increase my physical fitness and enhance my navigation skills.I can't speak for other recruits or enlisteds/officers but that was my experience. I believe you are trying to control people's thoughts,which is not only impractical but impossible.If someone is born a phsycho,abused as a child and gets a hold of a gun,then goes on to open fire in a busy shopping mall,there is nothing you can do to stop it beforehand.The only thing you can do is ensure that someone is armed,trained and nearby to end the threat as soon as possible.This could be a police officer or armed civilian.Our country is stupid in that respect.Even Security guards are unarmed and thus banks and armored cars are robbed at will by criminals almost every week who have access to whatever weapons they want. I turn to nearly perfect examples like Switzerland and the Czech Republic as good exemplars of good gun laws. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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fixdeluxe1 |
19. RE: Venting...........
Nov 20 2011, 1:44 AM EST
"Well all I can say is that a vast majority of people are not prepared for any disaster situation.How many people do I know in my community that even stock the basic Civil Defense 3-day supply recommendation and will thus will survive : Answer= 2 But I can list all the people at my mothers suburban block party who are abhorrent to the idea of storing a shotgun in your garage for the purpose of shooting a looter or home-invading rapist because "that doesn't happen here". Answer = All of them( that is a few hundred people,with thousand if not hundreds of thousands of communities like that across my city alone) Those are the short-sighted dimwits I am referring to when I say "Sheltered people".This may sound like a generalization,but they are usually upper-middle class,white,university educated suburban nuclear families. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |