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Sharpie41
Sharpie41
100. RE: Venting...........
Nov 21 2011, 1:28 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 21 2011, 1:28 AM EST
"Then why would you question your ability at 10 ft (the average encounter with a home intruder) with your glock if you can put 5 rounds in a target at 20 m? A 5in circle is pretty big dude just letting you know, I can get about 11/2 inch circle at that distance. So your going to pick up your clumsy rifle, and shoot at him with saftey slugs while he fires at you with armor piercing rounds? Sounds like he's still got the upperhand."
Not necessarily man, M40 ball ammo doesn't have very good wounding characteristics (From what I read on Wiki) because it is armor piercing it does not fragments or expand when entering soft tissue, where as safety slugs may expand and fragment explosively when hitting soft tissue, I've heard stories of people killing feral hogs with a .380 with safety slugs.

Carn: What do you mean "use in residential or business sections"? Of course you wouldn't be able to (legally) shoot in those areas.
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Carnack
Carnack
101. RE: Venting...........
Nov 21 2011, 1:32 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 21 2011, 1:32 AM EST
"Carn: What do you mean "use in residential or business sections"? Of course you wouldn't be able to (legally) shoot in those areas."
Mm call it shadowboxing on my part. Because most of the weapons I would put that caveat on are designed to punch through material your basic gun ranges may be inadequate for them.
Beyond that I can see some CoD guy pulling it out thinking that that Burglar sneaking in is about to declare jihad on his beer fridge. >.>
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Sharpie41
Sharpie41
102. RE: Venting...........
Nov 21 2011, 1:36 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 21 2011, 1:36 AM EST
"Then why would you question your ability at 10 ft (the average encounter with a home intruder) with your glock if you can put 5 rounds in a target at 20 m? A 5in circle is pretty big dude just letting you know, I can get about 11/2 inch circle at that distance. So your going to pick up your clumsy rifle, and shoot at him with saftey slugs while he fires at you with armor piercing rounds? Sounds like he's still got the upperhand."
Groups are measured across right? If yes my group at 20 M was 1.5 inches too, height considered as well, was 2.5
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DEVILDOGMP
DEVILDOGMP
103. RE: Venting...........
Nov 21 2011, 3:11 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 21 2011, 3:11 AM EST
"Not necessarily man, M40 ball ammo doesn't have very good wounding characteristics (From what I read on Wiki) because it is armor piercing it does not fragments or expand when entering soft tissue, where as safety slugs may expand and fragment explosively when hitting soft tissue, I've heard stories of people killing feral hogs with a .380 with safety slugs.

Carn: What do you mean "use in residential or business sections"? Of course you wouldn't be able to (legally) shoot in those areas."
Still, I would rather have a sure death rather than a not so sure death.
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Sharpie41
Sharpie41
104. RE: Venting...........
Nov 21 2011, 9:40 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 21 2011, 9:40 AM EST
"Still, I would rather have a sure death rather than a not so sure death."
From what I can tell its the safety slugs or even hunting ammo that offer a sure death over FMJs not so sure death
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crittergetter
crittergetter
105. RE: Venting...........
Nov 21 2011, 11:15 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 21 2011, 11:15 AM EST
All I have to say is that my 60lb daughter and 120lb wife can stop any would be rapist cold in their tracks with a pistol or shotgun.
Now as for not needing a firearm in a survival situation. BS. Once people figure out your not starving, thus have food lots of them will be begging then taking. If need be in a mob by force and you without firearms isnt doing you and your family any good. To me not having a means to defend your family and supplies is as bad as not prepping to begin with. Because it wont be yours for long.
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crittergetter
crittergetter
106. RE: Venting...........
Nov 21 2011, 11:44 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 21 2011, 12:23 PM EST
"1)
A) I think the reason the constitution gave us the right to bear arms was souly to defend ourselves from a government like Englands, controlling every aspect of our lives.
B) I just happen to think that gun ownership is a privalege not necessarily a right, that's all.
2) What has made gun laws more restrictive are gangs and the "militia" groups who are using them."
1) First you say it a constitutionaly protected right in (A) then say its a privilage not a right. I think your a little confused.
It is a right and it say bear arms not bear a arm. So that includes 1 weapon of desired form or a whole warehouse full. Be it a knife, sword, mace, spear, pistol, shotgun, rifle, or 50BMG. It also dont say just for protection &/or hunting &/or collecting. Thats an idividual right not a group or feel good right.

2) So again the constitution gaurantees a militia. No Im not a member and yes I know some that are members. So when is the last time you saw a "militia" commit crimes.
McVeigh wasnt a militia member so back off that crazy white revolutionary that had ties to a racist group. These old guys in the south they just caught./ Again these guys were just crazy racist nut jobs that arent a real group let alone Klan(clan) or militia.
Most malitias arent a problem and even have police in some. They just practice shooting and small training stuff just incase. Big brother isnt always nice or legal when doing stuff. Plus I would likje one near me if SHTF so atl;east there might be some local fire power/force to help tame the situation.
All I see stereotyping going on with personal feelings clouding judgement.
Its all F***ing legal so get over it.
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crittergetter
crittergetter
107. RE: Venting...........
Nov 21 2011, 11:48 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 21 2011, 11:48 AM EST
"How about. Ruby Ridge? Or the David Caresh standoff in Texas? Or the 44 Minutes standoff in LA (they were in fact members of a Militia)

Look, I am not saying those guns should be outlawed, I'm just saying we need to exersize some limitations WHO gets these weapons. I think its a privilage, not a right. "
Ruby Ridge was a FAMILY of racists. But racism isnt illegal that I know of.
David aresh was a waco religeous leader of a bunch of miss guided loones.
Both was federal agencies going Rambo and it going all wrong.

As for the LA shooting/standoff. If its that bank heist gone stupid. Hell no they werent militia they were two excons building up a gang. The militia thing was all a press hype thing. Oh yea they were also hispanic. So what outlaw all hispanics. Get real
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crittergetter
crittergetter
108. RE: Venting...........
Nov 21 2011, 11:53 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 21 2011, 11:53 AM EST
"Thank you, yes it is a rarity for us to agree Carnack, but on those rare occasions we agree on very important subjects.
I agree, the middle ground is somewhere few will meet on this subject."
Ok I want to ban free speech. You want to meet me in the middle and only ban some or what speach.
Its a constitutional right not a privilage. You dont bargain or meet people (that want to take those rights away) in some middle area. Thats loosing your rights. They will always want more and you already agreed to meet in the middle. Eventually they will have all the rights be one step at a time.
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crittergetter
crittergetter
109. RE: Venting...........
Nov 21 2011, 12:03 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 21 2011, 12:03 PM EST
"Look hooah, I don't care much for smart a.s.s. remarks, but I suggest you read up on the militia groups that were involved in that bank robery, its even in the FBI report. And you didn't even look at my other example. In each of these cases, they have had weapons such as assault rifles, and laws have changed due to their poor choices.
There is always a middle ground, something I have learned from my years in the Corps, its those who choose an extreme in either direction that cause the problems for everyone else. That's why there are Independents in politics, they are few and far between, but they hold the middle ground. I already stated that becomming like England would be horrible, maybe you should check that out again and adjust your tone. But, at the same time, I think militias, gangs, and former inmates should be flagged for the sale of certain firearms. It isn't a right, its a privilage son, you don't just get to say well, it says I can have a gun in the constitution, so I want a gun. That is why state laws were created."
You are so off base here and trying to tell that smoke your blowing up my *ss is the morning fog. BS
It was alleged they were militia and if they were milituia were was the rest of this big bad over gunned group of militia. Also they had illegally converted firearms and were both felons so they couldnt own any firearms.
Ruby Ridge there was zero assault weapons found. He was accused of converting a weapon illegally by a informant that schooled him on it. The informat had the gubn.
Krash didnt have one illegal firearm inb their compound. The only assault weapons on that sight were brought by the FBI, BATFE, and (illegally used) National Gaurd.

Middle ground is now. They already took rights from us and restricted our rights. So now we are taking them back.
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crittergetter
crittergetter
110. RE: Venting...........
Nov 21 2011, 12:06 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 21 2011, 12:06 PM EST
"You'll notice we agree then loki. I have stated that guns are tools, people kill people. And I think the pistol should not be outlawed, it makes a great home defense weapon. What I think is ridiculous is someone who has a fully automatic glock with a 40 round mag. There is no need for that with hunting nor home defense. It may be fun to have, but it is not necessary. "
Glocks arent fully automatic period.

You keep throwing out half baked liberal anti gun talking points and its all proven trash.
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crittergetter
crittergetter
111. RE: Venting...........
Nov 21 2011, 12:19 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 21 2011, 12:19 PM EST
"Location is withstanding young buck. More than you know. You are not under fire at all times for 18 months. There may be ONE point in your life where you need to kill someone who breaks into your home, and your glock will do just fine. You don't need equal weapons to kill your opponet, Vietnam is a key example that such a thought process is idiotic and chaotic. Yes I will ridicule someone who is using an AK as a home defense tool, those bullets can pierce cinder blocks, what if he shoots someone and a round strays killing his neighbor? He cannot get his rifle up as fast as I can my 1911. He can't round corners as fast and accurate as my 1911. Its just a stupid idea. "
Get off your service band wagon your horse is f***ing tired and so are we. I do have friends and family there and not one in either theater has been under 365 days a yr of incoming small arms or other. Plus to this idea you need a pistol or rifle to defend yourself from mortar rounds. Unless there are new sights on the M4 we didnt have you cant shoot a f***ing mortar or even a RPG round. So any weapon besides a flack/armored vest or cover will do you any good.
You say your a cop. Well then why do you carry reloads if nobody needs that many rounds. I bet you have atleast two spare mags for it.
So get off your IM a soldier/cop wagon and listen.
Like Sharpie if I want a stupid 100rd snail drum hang off my Glock or AK its none of yours or anybody elses f***ing buisness ifg I do. ASnd if I want to defend my house with a AK, Glock, or M1A its none of anyones buiseness if I do or dont.
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Carnack
Carnack
112. RE: Venting...........
Nov 21 2011, 1:00 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 21 2011, 1:00 PM EST
"Now as for not needing a firearm in a survival situation. BS. Once people figure out your not starving, thus have food lots of them will be begging then taking. If need be in a mob by force and you without firearms isnt doing you and your family any good. To me not having a means to defend your family and supplies is as bad as not prepping to begin with. Because it wont be yours for long."
And you are advertising this?

The fact is that most of your survival situation will be operating day to day. You will not be getting in many gunfights.

If you are then you need to rethink your strategy.

It's called secrecy. And guile. Cleverness.
Strictly speaking you can survive most survival situations without a gun. Only a select few will pose a problem but those can to a point be avoided with planning.

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OutlawJames
OutlawJames
113. RE: Venting...........
Nov 21 2011, 1:07 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 21 2011, 1:07 PM EST
"Groups are measured across right? If yes my group at 20 M was 1.5 inches too, height considered as well, was 2.5"
No Sharpie, Groups are determined by the measurment of the center to center of the two furthest apart holes. Direction is irrelevant.

This is why occasionally you hear guys talking about flyers...one shot that is WAY out often they pulled the shot and know they did...opening up the entire group by a couple inches, but if disregarded leaves a tight group.
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crittergetter
crittergetter
114. RE: Venting...........
Nov 21 2011, 1:27 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 21 2011, 1:27 PM EST
"And you are advertising this?

The fact is that most of your survival situation will be operating day to day. You will not be getting in many gunfights.

If you are then you need to rethink your strategy.

It's called secrecy. And guile. Cleverness.
Strictly speaking you can survive most survival situations without a gun. Only a select few will pose a problem but those can to a point be avoided with planning.

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You cant plan or keep everything secret.
Well ok you wearing panty hose on your 21 birthday might be a secret. But then maybe not. lol

Just saying I will not chance my families safety and lives with out my guns and theirs.
I have seen people doing the worst to each other for just the fun of it. And if SHTF there will be lots of two legged animals prowling for goodies and fun.
So secrecy only goes so far. Chance encounter will always ruin a fine secret and anyone thinking its gonna save them.
When people down the road are going hungry. Do you think they will just sit at home and wait to die. Hell no they will ransack each and every place and person they can find. They will eventually find you. That is if your not in the Mountain wilderness then you need guns for other animals.
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Carnack
Carnack
115. RE: Venting...........
Nov 21 2011, 1:32 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 21 2011, 1:32 PM EST
That is your choice Critter. But it is not the only one.

Secrecy can go as far as you want to take it.

And countless people hunted long before guns became popular. It's somewhat harder but not undoable.

Guns are great for survival but hardly a requirment in spite of what the "Warzoners" think.
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Sharpie41
Sharpie41
116. RE: Venting...........
Nov 21 2011, 2:05 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 21 2011, 2:05 PM EST
"Glocks arent fully automatic period.

You keep throwing out half baked liberal anti gun talking points and its all proven trash."
Glock 18
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Filadog
Filadog
117. RE: Venting...........
Nov 21 2011, 2:34 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 21 2011, 2:34 PM EST
"I actually believe I know the constitution quite well. You obviously don't ....
Next time you want to mouth off to me filadog, grow a brain "
A "privililege" and a "right" are completely different

A Privilege is something a goverment gives you..Think Drivers license
People as the declaration of Indepenence says are "endowed by thier creator with certain unalienable RIGHTS"..... Unlike a Privilege a Govement doesn't give you a right but can only affirm it
This is what the bill of RIGHTS and the rest of the constitution does affirm the rights that the people already have

Is very hard to keep a person from exercising a right, basicaly takes martial law to do away with a right like assembly
A person that comits a crime can have certain rights disfranchised, simply locking up a criminal is depriving him of his right of freedom right? Disfranchisment of voting and gun owning rights is usually tired to the 14th amendment, section 2 where it says certain rights Can't be disfanchsed with for any reason other then "rebellion or other crime"

Is interesting but for many years the "right" to vote was considered a privilege by many states who made rules [ just as they did about guns BTW ] as a way to controll who could and couldn't exercise it
. The 15th, 19t and 24th amendments did away these afirmimg that voting is a right that a state other then for criminals [that 14th amendment again] can't deny it to it's citizens

Recently the supreme court has affirmed that the Right to keep and bear arms is indeed a personal right and as such states can not deny it either to non criminals thus turning over gun bans in DC and Chicago
Like voting it can be regulated but not denied

Hey maybe those classes on Constitutional Law I took in school paid off some after all !
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crittergetter
crittergetter
118. RE: Venting...........
Nov 21 2011, 2:52 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 21 2011, 2:57 PM EST
"Glock 18"
Sharpie he was hinting at the Tuscan shooter. And yes a Glock 18 is but then lets go shoot yours or mine. Oh sorry they are military only. My bad.
But thanks Sharpie I really did forget the 18. lol
But he was hinting the Tuscan shooter had a automatic Glock with a large capacity mag. He had Glock and large capacity mag correct but it was a semi-auto Glock.

Edit clarify text and spelling. Hit wrong keys regularly.
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Sharpie41
Sharpie41
119. RE: Venting...........
Nov 21 2011, 3:20 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 21 2011, 3:20 PM EST
"Sharpie he was hinting at the Tuscan shooter. And yes a Glock 18 is but then lets go shoot yours or mine. Oh sorry they are military only. My bad.
But thanks Sharpie I really did forget the 18. lol
But he was hinting the Tuscan shooter had a automatic Glock with a large capacity mag. He had Glock and large capacity mag correct but it was a semi-auto Glock.

Edit clarify text and spelling. Hit wrong keys regularly."
I didn't catch the hinting, I would love a full auto Glock, that'd be so cool
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