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MitchellPeCord
MitchellPeCord
The internet as a tool against the horde?
Nov 23 2011, 9:12 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 23 2011, 9:12 PM EST
So I know what you're thinking, what's this guy saying?
He's saying that the internet, and this site in particular, will be a great resource after Z-Day, even more so than now. Most of our gear we hope will work, but what if it doesn't? Well post Z-Day we, working together as a community can post results, real, battle tested, results of our weapons, items, and gear. We can create comprehensive maps, showing the most heavily infected areas, areas inhabited by the less than helpful humans, and where pockets of survivors remain. Think of how fast awareness can spread through the community, and what a safer Post Z-Day we would live in.
Let's keep that internet running, boys. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
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Sharpie41
Sharpie41
1. RE: The internet as a tool against the horde?
Nov 23 2011, 11:51 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 23 2011, 11:51 PM EST
"So I know what you're thinking, what's this guy saying?
He's saying that the internet, and this site in particular, will be a great resource after Z-Day, even more so than now. Most of our gear we hope will work, but what if it doesn't? Well post Z-Day we, working together as a community can post results, real, battle tested, results of our weapons, items, and gear. We can create comprehensive maps, showing the most heavily infected areas, areas inhabited by the less than helpful humans, and where pockets of survivors remain. Think of how fast awareness can spread through the community, and what a safer Post Z-Day we would live in.
Let's keep that internet running, boys."
Dude, I get what you mean, but I REALLY doubt internet will still be around much after Z-Day, until it does my guess is everyone will be too busy to check the site and post stuff 4  out of 4 found this valuable. Do you?    
DLOWTHEMAD
DLOWTHEMAD
2. RE: The internet as a tool against the horde?
Nov 24 2011, 12:07 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 24 2011, 12:07 AM EST
The internet is not going to outlast society by uch is my guess... if you want access to this info after the world collapses, you should save anything you find useful to your computer... otherwise, you *probably* won't have it 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
MitchellPeCord
MitchellPeCord
3. RE: The internet as a tool against the horde?
Nov 24 2011, 12:57 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 24 2011, 12:57 AM EST
How long would it take for society to completely collapse? A couple of months at worse, (Jeez i hope.) I think that time would be invaluable.
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DLOWTHEMAD
DLOWTHEMAD
4. RE: The internet as a tool against the horde?
Nov 24 2011, 1:17 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 24 2011, 1:17 AM EST
who knows.... society hasn't collapsed before... could be slow... could happen in a couple of weeks depending on the cause.... helll if it's nuclear war could just be a few hours 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
vampirejediknight
vampirejediknight
5. RE: The internet as a tool against the horde?
Nov 24 2011, 7:44 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 24 2011, 7:44 AM EST
There are ways of recreating a form of internet. . . with difficulty. I'm not too tech-savy, but I have a friend who works with computers, and we've talked about a post-apocalyptic internet breifly. It would be difficult, but it's possible I suppose.
Although, ironically, this zombie surivival site would loose a lot of members in the event of a zombie apocalpyse. 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
trophykiller
trophykiller
6. RE: The internet as a tool against the horde?
Nov 24 2011, 10:13 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 24 2011, 10:13 AM EST
"There are ways of recreating a form of internet. . . with difficulty. I'm not too tech-savy, but I have a friend who works with computers, and we've talked about a post-apocalyptic internet breifly. It would be difficult, but it's possible I suppose.
Although, ironically, this zombie surivival site would loose a lot of members in the event of a zombie apocalpyse."
As would all sites. Man, even Tobuscus vids would to trickle. I can picture his lazyvlogs, though.

Toby: "audience, wha- what are you doing staring at a dead zombie? That's precarious, audience!"

iJustine: "TOBY, NOT NOW! BOARD UP THAT WINDOW!"

Toby: "Woah, you need to chill out girl." *sees zombie* "Ah hell nah! Imma mess you up, you a dumb mosacra! You a dumb mosacra duck!"

P.S. to those who don't get it:

http://www.youtube.com/user/Tobuscus Do you find this valuable?    
irishboy76
irishboy76
7. RE: The internet as a tool against the horde?
Nov 24 2011, 10:13 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 24 2011, 10:13 AM EST
you guys should check out After.Armageddon , it decribes how long it will take for things to go down in a realistic manner ie: internet , water , power and industry , it's not a bad watch to be honest.

but Mitchell , Great idea man , if we could keep the net up , my choice would be CB radio or a VHF radio ( used by boaters) not as advanced but you could still keep everyone informed. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
NotAlice
NotAlice
8. RE: The internet as a tool against the horde?
Nov 24 2011, 2:34 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 24 2011, 2:34 PM EST
The critical factor, or rather, A critical factor is the latency period of the infection. Another is whether people panic or not. If it takes a week for someone to turn the collapse will be much slower than if it happens in minutes. In fact, with a long period, it might be possible to contain the outbreak.

With a minutes-long period collapse will be much faster than any in our experience. Think geometric progression - each bite doubles the infected, one then two, then 4, then 8, then 16, etc. And the infected would be a constant fith column on the uninfected. That will bring things down really quickly, what with the unprepped doing the Walmart scenario.

Now, realistically, the latency period is unlikely to be that short, so there might be a span where the net could survive for a short time. Then it will be packet radio or amateur radio to try to keep the torch alive. Do you find this valuable?    
CyprusBill
CyprusBill
9. RE: The internet as a tool against the horde?
Nov 25 2011, 8:27 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 25 2011, 8:27 AM EST
"How long would it take for society to completely collapse? A couple of months at worse, (Jeez i hope.) I think that time would be invaluable.
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I'm no scholar on the matter, but I give society 2 weeks, on the generous side, to degrade to 3rd world / cinematic post-apocalypse conditions in the event of a nation-wide calamity.
Just look at "small scale" catastrophes like, say, Katrina. Or the Alabama tornado spree earlier this year. Now take that, and spread it over the entire nation. Let the power go out across the country during winter, especially up in the northern states.
Not too many Americans are active hunter/gatherers Sure, there are those who could do it, but long-term survival like that takes preparation. (Are you ready?) And fewer have sustainable gardens and resources like a constant supply of fresh water on hand, without the assistance of municipal utilities. Especially in inner cities, where populations can reach from the hundreds of thousands to the millions or more. If Wal-mart, Albertsons, and other grocers run dry, MILLIONS become screwed, in a fend-for-yourself-for-now fashion. If society did break down, even for mundane reasons (non-zombie reasons) food and water riots would run from coast-to-coast.
We here in America sadly take for granted how harsh a survive-or-die lifestyle can get, and how rapidly it can come to that.

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irishboy76
irishboy76
10. RE: The internet as a tool against the horde?
Nov 25 2011, 9:57 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 25 2011, 9:57 AM EST
Your closer to the real truth that you think CB , the show I mentioned above gives the net 3 weeks and power and water a month if that and these are pros in their respective fields whom know what their talking about.

The net is not self sustained ,it needs people to regulate the servers and gateways too keep them cool and thats just physical stuff, once you get into software issues and keeping the programs running it's a whole nother ball park and once SHTF those people keeping the net running are going to be thinking about their famlies not keeping the net up.

Doctors too will be running for the hills ( if they make it out of the hospital lol we all knows what goes down in a hospital in a Z Apoc lol) They are going to be the first to know that you cant treat this and once that is figured out they are going to grab their fams and get the hell out of dodge. 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
x-wolfhunter
x-wolfhunter
11. RE: The internet as a tool against the horde?
Nov 25 2011, 11:22 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 25 2011, 11:22 AM EST
"As would all sites. Man, even Tobuscus vids would to trickle. I can picture his lazyvlogs, though.

Toby: "audience, wha- what are you doing staring at a dead zombie? That's precarious, audience!"

iJustine: "TOBY, NOT NOW! BOARD UP THAT WINDOW!"

Toby: "Woah, you need to chill out girl." *sees zombie* "Ah hell nah! Imma mess you up, you a dumb mosacra! You a dumb mosacra duck!"

P.S. to those who don't get it:

http://www.youtube.com/user/Tobuscus"
Tobuscus fan! Woo! Me too, man, me too. Aww, Nugget in a Biscuit . . . Best song ever. Do you find this valuable?    
vampirejediknight
vampirejediknight
12. RE: The internet as a tool against the horde?
Nov 25 2011, 11:26 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 25 2011, 11:26 AM EST
Do you know how much it takes to establish an 'internet'? Two computers and an ehternet cable. That is the simplest way to do things post-apocalypictically.
The internet is just a collection of shared files between various computers. Connect computers with an ethernet cable, and you've got an internet that those two can use. Connect another computer to one of those with another cable, and you've got three internet-ready computers (and so on and so forth. . .) Do you find this valuable?    
x-wolfhunter
x-wolfhunter
13. RE: The internet as a tool against the horde?
Nov 25 2011, 11:32 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 25 2011, 11:32 AM EST
"Do you know how much it takes to establish an 'internet'? Two computers and an ehternet cable. That is the simplest way to do things post-apocalypictically.
The internet is just a collection of shared files between various computers. Connect computers with an ethernet cable, and you've got an internet that those two can use. Connect another computer to one of those with another cable, and you've got three internet-ready computers (and so on and so forth. . .)"
Yeah, except it's not that simple. You have to establish a server that can store the files that the computers would access, and keep it up and running at all times. The range of the internet is limited to your magically created cables and any somehow-working DSL modems.

PZD internet is not a viable option. No matter what. The only people you'd be able to use the "internet" with are the people that you can connect to the server, and all you'd have on there are some word processing documents and maybe a couple of old pictures. It would be relatively useless and would waste that nonpermanent temporary electricity you may or may not be able to garner after all hell breaks loose. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
vampirejediknight
vampirejediknight
14. RE: The internet as a tool against the horde?
Nov 25 2011, 12:35 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 25 2011, 12:35 PM EST
True. I suppose with computer experts and some electricity you could create a wireless hotspot and send a signal out via a single computer, but I'm smelling a lot of 'if' coming off that plan.
Your pretty much right; it's not very plausible. Do you find this valuable?    
irishboy76
irishboy76
15. RE: The internet as a tool against the horde?
Nov 25 2011, 3:38 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 25 2011, 3:38 PM EST
Even with a Wireless hot spot you would need a tower to boost the signal far enough to make contact with someone else, CB and VHF radio are the 2 best way to get intouch with anyone even if you don't have power where you are you can hook them up to a car or boat and still get a great signal.
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NotAlice
NotAlice
16. RE: The internet as a tool against the horde?
Nov 25 2011, 10:56 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 25 2011, 10:56 PM EST
"Even with a Wireless hot spot you would need a tower to boost the signal far enough to make contact with someone else, CB and VHF radio are the 2 best way to get intouch with anyone ..."
I think you are overlooking a third option. Amateur radio is still available and includes more than VHF and UHF. There's HF and LF, too. Now, I'm not a ham myself, but I inherited some amateur radio equipment. Tube stuff, too. I can't legally transmit now, postZPOC... Do you find this valuable?    
chitoryu12
chitoryu12
17. RE: The internet as a tool against the horde?
Nov 27 2011, 1:12 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 27 2011, 1:12 AM EST
I think the best advantage the Internet would provide is in case of a slow-moving virus; it very visibly appears and takes time to spread instead of the classic "Suddenly ZOMBIES" scenario from movies, giving people plenty of time to discuss the virus before it reaches their home. If not to coordinate their movements, then to allow for research to be consolidated and information posted in a public forum.

The big problem there is separating good information from the bad. Imagine trolling during a zombie apocalypse.... Do you find this valuable?