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timberrattler |
Carbine or Rifle?
Nov 26 2011, 3:22 PM EST
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Which do you believe would make for a better general purpose firearm when SHTF? Do you find this valuable?
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oldannyboy37 |
1. RE: Carbine or Rifle?
Nov 26 2011, 3:43 PM EST
"Which do you believe would make for a better general purpose firearm when SHTF?I like Carbines. Really rifles tend to be outdoor weapons, so I don't care to awful much. I like how handy a carbine is though in comparison to a full length rifle, I think they're easier to maneuver in closer quarters and thick forests. I've reliably taken deer with 7.62x39 carbines before and around here most of the shots on deer I can take with be well within the effective range of it. So really my AK can very well double as both a handy hunting rifle and a piece of serious firepower. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
Oakspar77777 |
2. RE: Carbine or Rifle?
Nov 26 2011, 4:42 PM EST
For long range shooting a rifle is more accurate, but not enough to make a difference shooting under stress. So, for the guy on the roof picking off Zed, raiders, and deer, then a rifle is a must. Open country survivors might also need the extra range. In the city, the woods, or other mixed terrain, a carbine is going to be "more accurate than the shooter." 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
SasquatchJim |
3. RE: Carbine or Rifle?
Nov 26 2011, 5:54 PM EST
Way I see it, rifles are better for shooting far-off targets. However, when it comes to actually engaging targets at a range that they could harm me, I'd prefer a carbine. A 16" lever-action carbine is a LOT easier to manipulate in close range than a 24" bolt gun. Also, from what I've seen, carbines are accurate enough at the ranges I'm comfortable shooting.Basically, what I'm saying is, when it comes down to point-blank, life-or-death fighting, I think a carbine will serve you better. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
JunkCollector |
4. RE: Carbine or Rifle?
Nov 26 2011, 8:47 PM EST
Isn't a carbine a rifle?For the most part I am going to be using a carbine, for more loaded rounds, faster second shots, easier to handle in tight spots, and accurate to a distance I feel at ease shooting without a scope. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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SasquatchJim |
5. RE: Carbine or Rifle?
Nov 26 2011, 8:50 PM EST
"Isn't a carbine a rifle?I was assuming by "carbine" he meant a short-barreled rifle, most likely using pistol rounds. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
renet76 |
6. RE: Carbine or Rifle?
Nov 27 2011, 1:31 AM EST
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The problem with the question ( no offense meant timber ) is i don't honestly think there is a generic answer for itIf you lived in open plains country with little cover or any thing blocking your view then a rifle would be the best choice but if you are in thick scrubby country where all of your shots are between 0m and 150m then a carbine would be the logical choice if your in a jungle or heavily forested area then you would go for a carbine in a bigger type of cartridge like say a .308 simply to push through leaves branches and so on But if your in a city environment then what how often will you be shooting out to a range greater then 100m? in a urban setting its more likely unless your dealing with raiders that any shots you take will be in very close range so in that case a pistol may just serve you better So i guess what i am really saying is that well if you have a rifle or a carbine it will come down to a couple of things 1. geographical location 2. what you are comfortable using 3. what you are going to be using it for So people will look out their window and legitimately claim that a rifle is the best choice while others will do the same but claim a carbine is better Then another will look out his window and think these guys are nuts the only real option if a pistol All these people will be correct to a degree because they are basing it off their environment and expected usage of the firearm For me i do prefer a Rifle then a short carbine only because if i am using a full powered round then i want to use the max range that i can rather then use it for close range where a carbine in a pistol caliber would be a better option 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
Sharpie41 |
7. RE: Carbine or Rifle?
Nov 27 2011, 1:36 AM EST
Agree with renet76, where you are and terrain dictates your weapon, for me (My city is the size of NYC, with a population of 1,000,000, meaning we have a lot of open areas. Out of the two I would have a rifle calibre carbine, preferably backed up with a scoped rifle
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Filadog |
8. RE: Carbine or Rifle?
Nov 27 2011, 4:25 AM EST
Militarys such as the US used to have both rifles and carbines with the later being used by specilised troops that had larger need for a short lighter gun then an accurate one. With the 1903 they compromised , longer then a carbine but shorter then the prior rifle. Same with the German classic 98k of WWII which while we might think of as a rifle they actually called " carbine 98 short" So what is a Carbine? Today with modern ammo I think other then extreame long range shooting with certain ammo that might not completly burn in a shorter barrel there is no advantage of a rifle over a carbine shooting the same cartridge Of course if the carbine shoots a much weaker cartridge that's different Do you find this valuable? |
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timberrattler |
9. RE: Carbine or Rifle?
Nov 27 2011, 8:49 AM EST
A carbine is a rifle and a rifle can be a carbine.That should clear everything up...Shouldn't it? XD Do you find this valuable? |
zombiezlayer |
10. RE: Carbine or Rifle?
Nov 27 2011, 10:03 AM EST
yeah, carbines that use pistol rounds are only one type of carbine. Technically the m4 family is considered a carbine. With a decent set of optics you can or even practice with iron sites you can probably get the range you need unless you live on the plains. also, something like a 5.56mm or .223 will take down larger game like a deer, which is about the largest animal in my region. of course, if you live somewhere you are going to take shots at moose, elk or something like a bear you might want to consider a high-powered rifle. Also, they will serve you nicely in a firefight if you are unlucky enough not to avoid a confrontation. It has a decent fire rate, most have 30 round mags, and and are pretty simple to get used to using. i personally would go for a carbine, but that is because my region it would serve the purpose nicely, it is lightweight, and i am comfortable with one. I am a fan of pistol carbines also like lever actions. I really like the .357 and 44 mags. In my area this would be useful as well, but I think I will be using my bushmaster. like most of the gun threads on this site, i believe this decision fails back on personal preference and what the major application would be. Do you find this valuable? |
possumblaster |
11. RE: Carbine or Rifle?
Nov 27 2011, 11:08 AM EST
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My vote goes to the carbine. The term itself is kind of dated though. Back in the day, there were just pistols and rifles. Someone decided to shorten a rifle and call it a carbine. But, in modern times there are so many different categories of weapons that it's hard to even use the term carbine. (SMG's, SBR's, PDW's, AOW's, the list just goes on and on). The terms started getting complicated when the intermediate cartridge came into play bridging the gap between rifle and pistol ammunition.I'm going to say there are three categories of rifles as that seems to be what we are all talking about. Short Barrel Rifles (8-12" barrel) Carbines (14-16" barrel) Full Size Rifle (20-24") Given that the three are the same caliber (I'm thinking 5.56), the carbines are better for general purpose IMO. I actually think the carbine is the new "standard" for rifles. SBR's would be perfect for close range or suppressor use, and full size rifles are great for long range because of the added velocity. But, the carbine can be effective for the widest range of distances. A carbine will shoot further than a SBR and is more portable than a full size rifle. I don't think people should think that since they live in the country they will only be shooting long range, or since they live in the city they will be only shooting close range. After Z-Day, who knows where you will end up or what situations you will find yourself in. So, I vote for the carbine because it can be useful in most areas. I also don't think it should matter what you are comfortable with. I think you should pick a military proven design and train on it to make yourself comfortable with it, rather than just sticking with what you know. Do you find this valuable? |
