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Carnack	Official Walking Dead Discussion Thread Nov 27 2011, 10:15 PM EST \| Post edited: Mar 23 2012, 5:53 PM EDT So we have a lot of threads devoted to The Walking Dead TV show. What say we just consolidate it down to one to reduce thread count? So what is your opinion of this weeks (11/27/2011) episode? In order to keep this around I will paste a link to my profile so it can be found easily. Peace. PS: For those concerned about spoilers do not read if you want to be surprised. We reference both the show and comics here. Post reply Do you find this valuable? Keyword tags: AMC The Walking Dead Walkers
oldannyboy37	1. RE: Official Walking Dead Discussion Thread Nov 27 2011, 10:42 PM EST "So we have a lot of threads devoted to The Walking Dead TV show. What say we just consolidate it down to one to reduce thread count? So what is your opinion of this weeks (11/27/2011) episode? In order to keep this around I will paste a link to my profile so it can be found easily. Peace. " SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So far I'm loving this season. I really liked this last episode. I spent a lot of it yelling at the tv screen at Shane though; that said I sort of agree with him on many things. Hershal is foolish for thinking that the walkers could be restored, and it was very dangerous to keep them locked up right beside where you live. Shane was an idiot for opening that barn though, he caused them to strain their already loose alliance with Hershal's family; he also caused them to waste a whole lot of ammo and make a lot of noise. I suspect I know where Shane's character is heading, I think he's going to get worse and worse until him and Rick are enemies. I was shocked to see Sophia in the barn though. She survives in the comics if I'm not mistaken, so I was really expecting Daryl to find her. Speaking of our my favorite @$hole, he did pretty darn good in this episode. You got to see him lash out at Carol and show some real character depth. Rick went out on a limb to keep their place at the farm. I don't think what he did was wise, but I can see why he did it. He still come's across as naive, but he means well. Glenn/Maggie. I like these two, no real complaints there. It's good on screen chemistry. I like that Glenn is starting to really show his competence. Maggie is a pleasant new character, she's a good contrast to most of the other female characters on the show......Andrea is still annoying. Lori is alright, I like her character more now than I have in previous episodes. CONT on the next post. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
oldannyboy37	2. RE: Official Walking Dead Discussion Thread Nov 27 2011, 10:45 PM EST Dale was excellent as always. It seems like he has a thing for Andrea (God knows why). He's a good representation of a very human yet moral character. I secretly hoped he'd put one in Shane's shoulder or something to teach him a lesson. I think the next episode will be one of those breaking point episodes like we seen in the Rock Quarry in the first season. The crap is fixing to hit the fan and people are going to start dying. I feel bad for Hershal because I know most of his family is probably doomed to die. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Sharpie41	3. RE: Official Walking Dead Discussion Thread Nov 27 2011, 11:47 PM EST "Dale was excellent as always. It seems like he has a thing for Andrea (God knows why). He's a good representation of a very human yet moral character. I secretly hoped he'd put one in Shane's shoulder or something to teach him a lesson. I think the next episode will be one of those breaking point episodes like we seen in the Rock Quarry in the first season. The crap is fixing to hit the fan and people are going to start dying. I feel bad for Hershal because I know most of his family is probably doomed to die. " I was hoping Dale would put one in Shane's heart, if he has one.... I too was shocked that Sophie was in the barn, however I was not shocked to see Rick was the one who pulled the trigger, I think there was a little foreshadowing when they showed in the first season where Rick kills the girl when he was getting gas (I think it was gas, I seem to think there was a gas can on screen) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
oldannyboy37	4. RE: Official Walking Dead Discussion Thread Nov 28 2011, 12:06 AM EST "I was hoping Dale would put one in Shane's heart, if he has one.... I too was shocked that Sophie was in the barn, however I was not shocked to see Rick was the one who pulled the trigger, I think there was a little foreshadowing when they showed in the first season where Rick kills the girl when he was getting gas (I think it was gas, I seem to think there was a gas can on screen)" Good eye for detail Sharpie. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Sharpie41	5. RE: Official Walking Dead Discussion Thread Nov 28 2011, 12:09 AM EST "Good eye for detail Sharpie. " Thanks man, but Shane really needs to get his sh1t together, he won't be around much longer if he keeps doing that Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Carnack	6. RE: Official Walking Dead Discussion Thread Nov 28 2011, 12:23 AM EST Shane: I too saw a problem with Shane's actions. It seems that he is at a permanent place with me. I agree with his mentallity but question his methods and motives. No having walkers around is not safe and yes hershel is an idiot for keeping them around BUT. That place is not their home. I can understand if it was to be made a permanent residence then yes clean out the infected. But they are guests who are leaving anyway. What do they care that some old man was keeping walkers around? Oh yeah look he's got a dozen walkers out of how many in the surrounding countryside? I mean really if there are walkers in the next farm, town, corner of the woods it's a tad late to take issue with some who are locked up. In addition his actions leading up to his little firearm boner-stroke made me wish that somebody would shoot him in the head. He overstepped himself. And probably drew more attention than was warranted. In addition to his whole "I protected the camp. Not Rick" speech I disagree. Who had the bright idea of having one old man on a camper being your only defense? Hell at least put us some cans to make sounds during a breech. <cont> Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Carnack	7. RE: Official Walking Dead Discussion Thread Nov 28 2011, 12:29 AM EST Rick: I have no idea what he was thinking with helping Hershel with his Walker roundup but I'm guessing it's a I Heard You Now You Hear Me sort of situation. I am not seeing him putting up with Shane for much longer. I wouldn't. Kick the nutbar and forget he existed. Hershel: I understand his mentallity though I believe he is being a tad extreme in it. I truly doubt that your average person will just toss close friends and family under the bus even if they did get infected. They would lock them up and hope for a cure. I believe that Hershel's situation allowed for this mindset though. He from the looks of things was fairly sheltered from the worse of the plague. Maggie got availed of that mindset fairly quick. So quick that I doubt she had to actually deal with that sort of TOOCLOSETOOCLOSETOOCLOSE!!!!! situation before. And Hershel could probably be the same. I fully expect him to retaliate in some form for Shane's callous ravings. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Sullivan714	8. RE: Official Walking Dead Discussion Thread Nov 28 2011, 1:11 AM EST "Thanks man, but Shane really needs to get his sh1t together, he won't be around much longer if he keeps doing that" I really think it's too late for that with this last episode. I think the group noticed how much he lost it towards the end. I seriously thought he off'd Dale out in the woods though. That would've pissed me off. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
epic_epicness	9. RE: Official Walking Dead Discussion Thread Nov 28 2011, 4:04 AM EST "I really think it's too late for that with this last episode. I think the group noticed how much he lost it towards the end. I seriously thought he off'd Dale out in the woods though. That would've pissed me off. " lol... It was all psycho boy fun and games till Sophia walked out of the barn. Moments like that are what separate the sheepdogs like Rick from the Pomeranians like Shane. All I can say is that dumb@ss Shane better stop trying to howl like a wolf before the Sheepdog hears him. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Sullivan714	10. RE: Official Walking Dead Discussion Thread Nov 28 2011, 4:17 AM EST "lol... It was all psycho boy fun and games till Sophia walked out of the barn. Moments like that are what separate the sheepdogs like Rick from the Pomeranians like Shane. All I can say is that dumb@ss Shane better stop trying to howl like a wolf before the Sheepdog hears him. " lol I never looked at it that way, but your totally right. I think he's still gonna act like an ******* though in the future episodes. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Filadog	11. RE: Official Walking Dead Discussion Thread Nov 28 2011, 6:46 AM EST I love the show but think how the people act and parts of the show is really pushing believability even for a show about zombies Seems pretty nonsensical to me in a very dangerous world over run with Zombies Hershal's clan seemed to have survived quite well with out guns or even killing the zombies that want to eat them...hey just laso them, lock them in the barn and feed them thier chickens...OK Armed band comes to the farm and just give up carrying thier guns because an old guy with no guns tells them to ? Rick is an idiot and is poor excuse for a leader because he doesn't really do what is best for the group. Even goes so far to make Hershal happy he helps bring more zombies back to camp ! . Begs Hershal to let them stay when he should be just telling him they are staying Dale is a creepy jealous old guy and is pretty unbelievable that he survived the first week and is probably the most dangerous person to the group. In a world where having a gun can mean life and death he wants to throw the group's in a swamp....I noticed he didn't seem to have a problem with keeping his rifle or threatening to use it on Shane Shane is the only one I think that has it right though his Blond girlfriend is coming around. How he handled the Barn zombies was perfect. by opening the door and letting them out so all of the group had to kill them and Hershal had to understand that Walkers are not just sick people but are the Dead that if not stopped will try to kill the living. If Shane hadn't done it this way the Zombies would have to have been shot as they ambled around not endangering anyone.. By Shane not shooting Sophie and forcing Rick to he forced Rick to admit that Shane was right that Zombies are no longer people and must be destroyed. , Rick didn't use his capture stick on her Also if Shane had shot her the rest of the group would have held it against him Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
OutlawJames	12. RE: Official Walking Dead Discussion Thread Nov 28 2011, 7:58 AM EST "Dale was excellent as always. It seems like he has a thing for Andrea (God knows why). He's a good representation of a very human yet moral character. I secretly hoped he'd put one in Shane's shoulder or something to teach him a lesson. I think the next episode will be one of those breaking point episodes like we seen in the Rock Quarry in the first season. The crap is fixing to hit the fan and people are going to start dying. I feel bad for Hershal because I know most of his family is probably doomed to die. " I was hoping he would blow Shanes heart right out of his chest.... Then Shane wouldn't have confronted Hershal/opened the barn, blown the hole situation to hell and high water. BUUUT we still wouldnt know about Sophia if he hadn't. This gives Daryl a reason to split away now, no girl to search for. The big rift gives Shane a reason to Leave/be runoff. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
inu-dude25	13. RE: Official Walking Dead Discussion Thread Nov 28 2011, 11:14 AM EST @ Filadog- While a lot of your arguments do seem valid from a normal state of mind, consider the environment they're trying to create. Like giving up their weapons in the camp. While Shane is obviously against it, the best adapted of them all, the rest that would give anything for life before everything went to hell are willing to put the firearms down for even a semblance of peace and quiet on Hershel's farm. And it's that struggle for humanity. Rick could walk in to the house, drop Hershel and the rest of them and have the group move on in. But while Shane is perfectly adjusted to their new hellscape, Rick is still holding onto humanity and civilized life, trying to respect Hershel and his ownership of the land. And Dale's move actually seemed one of desperation more than any threat to the group. He's correctly realized that Shane is more dangerous than a couple of stray walkers, and trying to hide the guns from him was just a last ditch effort at putting him at bay long enough for Hershel to accept the group as a permanent thing. Shane's mindset is one of pure survival. Aside from possibly Karl, and potentially Rory, there's no one that can really feel comfortable with their bag (or thigh) turned to him. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised to see him sacrifice Andrea if that's what it took to make it back alive, but that's how he is, he's risen above, or sunk below, the concerns of civilized morals and boundaries. And I think the Rick bit was more Rick stepping up than Shane controlling. For all his bark about making the tough decisions, he couldn't kill Sophia any more than the rest of them. It took the cooler headed Rick to put her to rest, showing that for all Shane's blind rage he really isn't the strong leader he wants to be. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Frag-12	14. RE: Official Walking Dead Discussion Thread Nov 28 2011, 11:25 AM EST Wow, the deviation from the comic continues! Sophia is still alive in the comic book. So I am guessing where Darryl found the doll is where Otis found Sophia-zed stuck in the river. They stated this fact on the after show, The Talking Dead - Otis' primary job was to find and migrate stuck zombies to the barn. Now call me crazy or something but I did not see a livestock transfer station or whatever it is called connected to the barn. So my next question is how do they safely place captured zeds into the barn without being Zed Zerged?... :-) Oops, a slight oversight by them ... lol I both agree and disagree with Shane's actions. I agree something needed to be done with the zombies in the barn but I disagree how it was done and Shane's mental status at the time. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Frag-12	15. RE: Official Walking Dead Discussion Thread Nov 28 2011, 11:39 AM EST \| Post edited: Nov 28 2011, 11:43 AM EST I am still liking Darryl over Shane as a true survivalist. Darryl just needs to purge the "I work alone" mentality and he is all set. Shane's survival is one of a desperate predator while Darryl is more of the balanced hunter who is well fed and has the situation under his control regardless if he has surprise mental visits from Merle or not. I chalk the Darryl\Merle interaction at the creek bed as injury\dehydration caused delirium. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Frag-12	16. RE: Official Walking Dead Discussion Thread Nov 28 2011, 11:42 AM EST \| Post edited: Nov 28 2011, 11:52 AM EST "Shane's mindset is one of pure survival. Aside from possibly Karl, and potentially Rory, there's no one that can really feel comfortable with their bag (or thigh) turned to him. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised to see him sacrifice Andrea if that's what it took to make it back alive, but that's how he is, he's risen above, or sunk below, the concerns of civilized morals and boundaries. " I think Shane would take everyone out except maybe for Lori and Carl. It is obvious he even thought of taking out Rick who is supposedly his best friend. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Frag-12	17. RE: Official Walking Dead Discussion Thread Nov 28 2011, 11:47 AM EST "Rick is an idiot and is poor excuse for a leader because he doesn't really do what is best for the group. Even goes so far to make Hershal happy he helps bring more zombies back to camp ! . Begs Hershal to let them stay when he should be just telling him they are staying " Rick has potential and he is still asleep or in shock or both. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Frag-12	18. RE: Official Walking Dead Discussion Thread Nov 28 2011, 11:51 AM EST "I was hoping Dale would put one in Shane's heart, if he has one.... I too was shocked that Sophie was in the barn, however I was not shocked to see Rick was the one who pulled the trigger, I think there was a little foreshadowing when they showed in the first season where Rick kills the girl when he was getting gas (I think it was gas, I seem to think there was a gas can on screen)" I was hoping to see Dale place a round in Shane's chest as well. However, you could tell Dale was not going to. He did not have the stare and Shane was being surprisingly a cool cat by challenging Dale's conviction instead of his life. Yes, it was gas. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Filadog	19. RE: Official Walking Dead Discussion Thread Nov 28 2011, 12:27 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 28 2011, 12:29 PM EST "I was hoping he would blow Shanes heart right out of his chest.... " I was hoping Shane would have taken Dale and drowned him in the swamp after he threatened to shoot him, was a big mistake not to on Shanes part. I would have if in his place. Dale really contributes very little if anything to the group and is a trouble maker..and how does he "know" Shane shot Otis anyway? When Shane risked his life for the medical suppies what was Dale doing?...setting on the roof of his camper ...why didn't he volunter to go along? If he had he could have driven the truck in to pick them up when they got trapped Only thing I have seen him ever do is to try to convince people to do stupid stuff that comes close to getting them killed...like telling the girl not to carry her pistol. He wants to hide or destroy the guns becauae of Shane? When did Shane do anything but to try to protect the group? Dale had no problems with taking it on himself to render the group helpless by taking the guns when he knew there was a large group of Zombies in a rickety barn right by the camp I think it is obvious that Dale is jealous that the girl he has feelings for would rather be with Shane I'm sure Rick maybe would make an OK Boy Scout leader but for the job to lead this group in this world he is not only about useless but is dangerous to his people. He is willing to maybe have his people and even his wife and boy die because he is not willing to do what it takes to stay on the safety of the farm and stand up to Hershal. Hershal should be the one asking the group to stay or that he can stay with them. A good leader would have been worried what is best for his group and explained to Hershal that they are there to stay. They can get along but that depends on Hershal who needs to get it in his head that he is no longer in charge. Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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