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Animal Tranquilizers: Z-Day Weapons?
Dec 9 2011, 1:03 PM EST
So....as many of you now know, I am a Metal Gear and Metal Gear Solid Fan (I own all the games hence the seperation between Metal Gear and Metal Gear Solid).Anyway, I've been playing MGS2 and 3 as of late, and I was wondering about the tranquilizer gun that Solid Snake (main charachter) uses in the game. Would Animal Tranqs be able to render a human unconcious without causing any health problems or even death? And here is another interesting query: should the zeds be 28DL/28WL style (where chemical weapons obviously kill them) would tranquilizers be usable against them as well? I'm can think of 2 reasons one would use a tranq gun on zeds: 1) to study them and 2) the relative silence the gun makes. What are your thoughts, opinions, fact-based comments? Let me know. Semper Fi. Do you find this valuable?
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chitoryu12 |
1. RE: Animal Tranquilizers: Z-Day Weapons?
Dec 9 2011, 2:17 PM EST
Tranquilizers as depicted in fiction are extremely unrealistic because as any anesthesiologist knows, determining the exact amount of drug needed for the patient (or here the target) is an exact science. The amount of drug used for a child would simply render an adult drowsy or have no effect, while the stuff you use to knock out an elephant would be fatal to the people you see here. It also doesn't take effect instantly like Snake is able to do, so the sentry you just shot in the neck would end up shooting at you and alerting the camp for a few minutes before finally dropping.The best possible use I can see for tranquilizer dart guns is an emergency weapon, as an overdose of the drug can kill and a needle in the face is certainly debilitating to your fighting ability. Do you find this valuable? |
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DEVILDOGMP |
2. RE: Animal Tranquilizers: Z-Day Weapons?
Dec 9 2011, 2:50 PM EST
"Tranquilizers as depicted in fiction are extremely unrealistic because as any anesthesiologist knows, determining the exact amount of drug needed for the patient (or here the target) is an exact science. The amount of drug used for a child would simply render an adult drowsy or have no effect, while the stuff you use to knock out an elephant would be fatal to the people you see here. It also doesn't take effect instantly like Snake is able to do, so the sentry you just shot in the neck would end up shooting at you and alerting the camp for a few minutes before finally dropping.Oh yeah I know its unrealistic as far as we know, but I'm sure the Company (CIA) has something along these lines, but there would be no way for me or anyone else to have access to it. I agree that it would be a great last resort weapon. Thanks for the info though, I thought it was a little risky to shoot anyone with an animal tranq, I've heard it can be fatal. Do you find this valuable? |
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PaganArcher |
3. RE: Animal Tranquilizers: Z-Day Weapons?
Dec 9 2011, 2:52 PM EST
Having been raised in a vet tech's home, there are some fast acting animal tranquilizers that will drop the target in a few seconds. The problem with these are that they are so potent, if you come in contact with them as they can be absorbed through the skin, it's fatal.
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Sharpie41 |
4. RE: Animal Tranquilizers: Z-Day Weapons?
Dec 9 2011, 3:15 PM EST
"Having been raised in a vet tech's home, there are some fast acting animal tranquilizers that will drop the target in a few seconds. The problem with these are that they are so potent, if you come in contact with them as they can be absorbed through the skin, it's fatal."My gf wants to become a vet tech. She says those are very powerful, she wants to become a horse vet so if she does she would have those with her. If z-day comes i might have to try... Do you find this valuable? |
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chitoryu12 |
5. RE: Animal Tranquilizers: Z-Day Weapons?
Dec 9 2011, 3:26 PM EST
"Oh yeah I know its unrealistic as far as we know, but I'm sure the Company (CIA) has something along these lines, but there would be no way for me or anyone else to have access to it.If the CIA has effective tranquilizer pistols, they must know something about science and medicine that the hospitals don't. Do you find this valuable? |
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chitoryu12 |
6. RE: Animal Tranquilizers: Z-Day Weapons?
Dec 9 2011, 3:28 PM EST
"Having been raised in a vet tech's home, there are some fast acting animal tranquilizers that will drop the target in a few seconds. The problem with these are that they are so potent, if you come in contact with them as they can be absorbed through the skin, it's fatal."Which will promptly turn your tranquilizer pistol for stealthy missions into a gun filled with lethal poison. Do you find this valuable? |
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PaganArcher |
7. RE: Animal Tranquilizers: Z-Day Weapons?
Dec 9 2011, 3:37 PM EST
"Which will promptly turn your tranquilizer pistol for stealthy missions into a gun filled with lethal poison."That's a given Chit. I was more so trying to point out that filling darts and syringes with tranqs that powerful is also hazardous to whoever is using them. Do you find this valuable? |
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chitoryu12 |
8. RE: Animal Tranquilizers: Z-Day Weapons?
Dec 9 2011, 3:52 PM EST
"That's a given Chit. I was more so trying to point out that filling darts and syringes with tranqs that powerful is also hazardous to whoever is using them. "Exactly how stealthy would it be? Would the sentry you're shooting at have time to cry out and alert nearby enemies before dropping? Do you find this valuable? |
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DEVILDOGMP |
9. RE: Animal Tranquilizers: Z-Day Weapons?
Dec 9 2011, 5:57 PM EST
"If the CIA has effective tranquilizer pistols, they must know something about science and medicine that the hospitals don't."Lol this is the Central Intelligence Agency, they recruit the best minds in the world in the medical world to make such things. I don't doubt it at all. Do you find this valuable? |
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John_234 |
10. RE: Animal Tranquilizers: Z-Day Weapons?
Dec 9 2011, 8:03 PM EST
Even the CIA had to make special techniques to calculate dosage based on weight of the targets encountered. It was often easier just to kill a guy with fast acting poisons that would kill them with little room for error, which was the real advantage to silent dart weapons.
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DEVILDOGMP |
11. RE: Animal Tranquilizers: Z-Day Weapons?
Dec 9 2011, 8:37 PM EST
"Even the CIA had to make special techniques to calculate dosage based on weight of the targets encountered. It was often easier just to kill a guy with fast acting poisons that would kill them with little room for error, which was the real advantage to silent dart weapons."Definately, they even had an umbrella version at one point. But I think the CIA has things and weapons we don't have a single idea about like the tranq gun. I mean they developed an aerosol spray that if touched would cause close to instant death. Do you find this valuable? |
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John_234 |
12. RE: Animal Tranquilizers: Z-Day Weapons?
Dec 9 2011, 8:52 PM EST
"Definately, they even had an umbrella version at one point. But I think the CIA has things and weapons we don't have a single idea about like the tranq gun. I mean they developed an aerosol spray that if touched would cause close to instant death."I believe the umbrella gun was a KGB gadget, which had a ricin pellet fired out of a small gun via contact. It was used to kill a few high-profile dissidents. Do you find this valuable? |
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DEVILDOGMP |
13. RE: Animal Tranquilizers: Z-Day Weapons?
Dec 9 2011, 8:58 PM EST
"I believe the umbrella gun was a KGB gadget, which had a ricin pellet fired out of a small gun via contact. It was used to kill a few high-profile dissidents."No I think it was an MI6 weapon supposed to be used against a KGB agent using ricin, but they also had one filled with an anesthetic that was measured out for another suspected KGB agent. Do you find this valuable? |
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John_234 |
14. RE: Animal Tranquilizers: Z-Day Weapons?
Dec 9 2011, 10:27 PM EST
"No I think it was an MI6 weapon supposed to be used against a KGB agent using ricin, but they also had one filled with an anesthetic that was measured out for another suspected KGB agent."Ah, I see. Do you find this valuable? |
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Zombot |
15. RE: Animal Tranquilizers: Z-Day Weapons?
Dec 10 2011, 12:12 AM EST
I can't speak to the medical side of things, because I'm no doc, but it would seem to me, if we were talking the 28D/W Later zombies, then the issue might be their metabolism. As fast as they can move, it's possible that their functions have sped up, and therefore might very well metabolize (process and remove) the anesthetic, extremely quickly, so that if it didn't actually kill them, they might not stop, or, potentially worse, go down just long enough to lull you into a false sense of security, and then suddenly snap back to 'consciousness.'
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DEVILDOGMP |
16. RE: Animal Tranquilizers: Z-Day Weapons?
Dec 10 2011, 12:29 AM EST
"I can't speak to the medical side of things, because I'm no doc, but it would seem to me, if we were talking the 28D/W Later zombies, then the issue might be their metabolism. As fast as they can move, it's possible that their functions have sped up, and therefore might very well metabolize (process and remove) the anesthetic, extremely quickly, so that if it didn't actually kill them, they might not stop, or, potentially worse, go down just long enough to lull you into a false sense of security, and then suddenly snap back to 'consciousness.'"It would be an interesting thing to have if the government needed a way to capture a live zed and find a cure. Do you find this valuable? |