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Discussion: S&W Governor
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Forewarned76 |
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Sharpie41 |
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oldannyboy37 |
2. RE: S&W Governor
Dec 13 2011, 1:34 PM EST
I think the multi round revolver/shotgun feature is severely over rated. There's some merit to 38/357 because those are both common rounds and the 38 can be had for very cheap. The thing about firing shotgun rounds like a 410 through a pistol is that it seriously depletes the power of the round. A 410 isn't exactly the hammer of Thor to begin with but fired from a short barrel is really isn't much beyond a few feet. The governor is like the Judge in the sense that it has shallow rifling (I think it does at least). It isn't an uber big deal to me; but that .45LC or ACP isn't going to be very accurate. I'd say that these guns are best used as snake guns and car defense guns. Do you find this valuable? |
SasquatchJim |
3. RE: S&W Governor
Dec 13 2011, 3:44 PM EST
I still say a S&W model 25 .45LC with the chamber reamed to accept .45ACP would be better than both.Also, Sharpie, what variations of the Judge can shoot .45 ACP? Do you find this valuable? |
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Sharpie41 |
4. RE: S&W Governor
Dec 13 2011, 4:11 PM EST
"I still say a S&W model 25 .45LC with the chamber reamed to accept .45ACP would be better than both.All, the newer ones may have too little room to accept a moon clip but the older ones are able to accept them Do you find this valuable? |
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SasquatchJim |
5. RE: S&W Governor
Dec 13 2011, 5:18 PM EST
"All, the newer ones may have too little room to accept a moon clip but the older ones are able to accept them"I see. That's pretty cool. Seems odd that they don't advertise that. Do you find this valuable? |
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Sharpie41 |
6. RE: S&W Governor
Dec 13 2011, 8:31 PM EST
"I see. That's pretty cool. Seems odd that they don't advertise that."Yeah it is pretty cool. Maybe because the bullet has to travel pretty far in the cylinder Do you find this valuable? |
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Sharpie41 |
7. RE: S&W Governor
Dec 13 2011, 11:44 PM EST
It was ironic when I saw this thread, I had literally 30 mins before got done watching about 4 videos on YouTube about this. You can also fire .45 Glock out of the Guv'na as well
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crittergetter |
8. RE: S&W Governor
Dec 14 2011, 1:18 PM EST
"I think the multi round revolver/shotgun feature is severely over rated. There's some merit to 38/357 because those are both common rounds and the 38 can be had for very cheap.True but the special self defense 410 rounds made for these pistols does increase the bite a lot. The main selling point for me is like the 357mg/38sp or 44mg/44sp they will increase your scavaging options. Plus I dont think anyone will be laughing when hit. It is a self defense platform. So it is for the short self defense ranges. If your shooting farther with a handgun in a survival scenario you have bigger issues than the caliber. You should be using a shotgun, carbine, or rifle instead. But hey if you want to shoot farther with a handgun then get a bigger gun. But a Judge and Governor are good at what they are designed for. Nothing more and nothing less. The Governor is a good choice if thats the type of weapon you want. Do you find this valuable? |
John_234 |
9. RE: S&W Governor
Dec 14 2011, 5:55 PM EST
Gotta disagree. For the concealed carry guy, the car defense guy, the HD guy the handgun is literally your lifeline. You need to use it, regardless of the fight being close or long range, until you can get to your escape route, bigger weapon or whatnot.The difference is, a Glock is smaller, lighter, easier to handle, and has three times the range, three times the magazine cap. Fifty yards is a pretty good distance to work with, and with seventeen rounds you can put down a target reliably, maintain your distance and not have to reload as often. With .410, you have a limited range of about fifteen yards, if you get the right ammo. That's absolutely fine for carjacking, IMO. But for concealed carry, where a guy could out range you on the opposite side of the street, or in HD, where fifteen yards is the lengths of some hallways, I think it's really not worth the marginal increase in firepower. Plus, you have to reload every five to six rounds with loose ammo, unless you have an expensive and hard to use .410 speedloader. And the penetration offered by .410 is handily defeated by a car door or interior wall. Do you find this valuable? |
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crittergetter |
10. RE: S&W Governor
Dec 14 2011, 6:35 PM EST
Most self defense scenarios arent across the street for one. Most people will use it in a car or building/home. So a 15m range is good enough.Dopnt get me wrong I dont own a 410 pistol either. I own a Taurus 92 and a Glock 17 1st Gen. Im with you on the range issue. But these type (410) guns are for close self defense use. But the 45colt will reach farther ans so will the 410 slug option. But againm its no designed for shooting far and it does its designed work just fine. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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John_234 |
11. RE: S&W Governor
Dec 15 2011, 7:01 AM EST
"Most self defense scenarios arent across the street for one. Most people will use it in a car or building/home. So a 15m range is good enough.If someone shoots at you, you produce a weapon and fire back, they retreat a distance but keep firing, do you stop shooting? It's completely possible you'll need to make a shot at longer than fifteen yards. If you expect to be attacked, why do you expect to be attacked in ideal conditions? Range is pretty important, especially when handguns are lacking on that department in the first place. Besides, at fifteen meters, the pattern is going to be huge. It's not going to be anywhere near as effective as the gun is at five meters. It's not so much the effective range as the maximum range with which you can hit paper. Do you find this valuable? |
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crittergetter |
12. RE: S&W Governor
Dec 15 2011, 9:54 AM EST
Wont argue distances and retreat or not. Because you are forgetting this is about the S&W Governor so it takes 45colt and 45acp too. And they do have some extra range on them for your issue.
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chitoryu12 |
13. RE: S&W Governor
Dec 16 2011, 1:57 PM EST
The question is how accurate this gun is. I know that the Judge has some problems with accuracy at range due to the shallow rifling, and a normal rifling pattern will f*ck up the shot pattern of the .410 a lot.I'd take a gun with high capacity, good accuracy, high stopping power, and relatively low recoil. So many guns that AREN'T the Judge or Governor can accomplish that. Do you find this valuable? |
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John_234 |
14. RE: S&W Governor
Dec 16 2011, 4:01 PM EST
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Personally, if I wanted stalwart .45 defense, the Glock 21 or Glock 21 SF seems a lot more attractive with 13+1, the ability to mount a light and very workable accuracy.EDIT: Added some. Do you find this valuable? |
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crittergetter |
15. RE: S&W Governor
Dec 17 2011, 12:06 PM EST
As Ive posted before I dont own either and never plan to. But I do see the attraction as a home defense and personal defense weapon.Me a handgun is a 50ft and closer weapon and they make shotguns, carbines, and rifles for the farther shooting. But to each his own. Do you find this valuable? |
Randyofpirate |
16. RE: S&W Governor
Dec 17 2011, 12:20 PM EST
I am not very familiar with the judge or governor. Can you shoot standard .410 loads through them because if so, sounds like an assassin special. Untracebly projectile and the casing could be carried with the shooter and disposed of at a later time so the firing pin mark couldnt be traced back to him.No chasing brass like with a semi-auto. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Sharpie41 |
17. RE: S&W Governor
Dec 17 2011, 12:43 PM EST
"I am not very familiar with the judge or governor. Can you shoot standard .410 loads through them because if so, sounds like an assassin special. Untracebly projectile and the casing could be carried with the shooter and disposed of at a later time so the firing pin mark couldnt be traced back to him.So naive when it comes to forensics. They can trace the lead used, powder used, and because both have rifling, the markings on the shot can be traced 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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chitoryu12 |
18. RE: S&W Governor
Dec 17 2011, 12:47 PM EST
"I am not very familiar with the judge or governor. Can you shoot standard .410 loads through them because if so, sounds like an assassin special. Untracebly projectile and the casing could be carried with the shooter and disposed of at a later time so the firing pin mark couldnt be traced back to him.If that was true, no shotgun murders would ever be solved without witnesses. Do you find this valuable? |
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Randyofpirate |
19. RE: S&W Governor
Dec 17 2011, 12:54 PM EST
well.....Forensics is not my strongest knowledge base. :P
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