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wkwkwkwk1
wkwkwkwk1
Stronghold House
Dec 31 2011, 9:32 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 31 2011, 9:32 AM EST
Max Brooks says a house is bad for a lvl 3 outbreak. What if it has a big strong concrete wall about it (about 10 m in the higher part and 4 in the lower part, it has 3 floors, it has chickens (about 10), has a little sustaineable farm, has solar panels, is BIG, has the strongest iron blinds, armored doors and its only weakness is a strong metal fence door easy to block with concrete and bricks?
It has a hunting rifle, big, strong knifes, sledgehammers, lead pipes, good sniping places, and lots of strategic points for killing zombies. What do you think? Who's wrong? Me or Max? Do you find this valuable?    
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Maricely
Maricely
1. RE: Stronghold House
Dec 31 2011, 9:39 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 31 2011, 9:39 AM EST
I don't mean this in a bad way, but around here we tend to disregard what Max Brooks has to say. He's a comedian who wrote a book, that doesn't make him an expert in anything. If you feel that staying home during an emergency is the best thing for you and your family, then that's what you should do. 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
wkwkwkwk1
wkwkwkwk1
2. RE: Stronghold House
Dec 31 2011, 10:20 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 31 2011, 10:20 AM EST
It's not my house, it's my grandfathers house, and don't underestimate him. He is faster than some people and was a professional hunter
and, I don't disregard Max Brooks, because everything he says has a good base. Do you find this valuable?    

Xxanth
3. RE: Stronghold House
Dec 31 2011, 10:31 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 31 2011, 10:31 AM EST
"I don't disregard Max Brooks, because everything he says has a good base."
The Max Brook books will a good read and funny at points is more like a “Worst Case Scenario for Dummies” book, it has some good info but is not an authority. If you want to survive, and I am not just talking about a Zombie Apocalypse, but anything the world can throw at you. Take the time to learn and study authorities in survival. Do you find this valuable?    
SasquatchJim
SasquatchJim
4. RE: Stronghold House
Dec 31 2011, 10:37 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 31 2011, 10:42 AM EST
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and, I don't disregard Max Brooks, because everything he says has a good base."
To be fair, he also said that crossbows were effective out to a quarter mile, and that there were dozens of zombies attacks in the past.

Edit: He also said that zombies were caused by a virus called solanum. IRL, that's a genus of plants. Do you find this valuable?    
wkwkwkwk1
wkwkwkwk1
5. RE: Stronghold House
Dec 31 2011, 10:38 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 31 2011, 10:38 AM EST
Thank you, but I know almost everything I could know about basic survival, not meaning to be conceited. Do you find this valuable?    
wkwkwkwk1
wkwkwkwk1
6. RE: Stronghold House
Dec 31 2011, 10:40 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 31 2011, 10:40 AM EST
"To be fair, he also said that crossbows were effective out to a quarter mile, and that there were dozens of zombies attacks in the past."
lol, really, that's right :-)
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SasquatchJim
SasquatchJim
7. RE: Stronghold House
Dec 31 2011, 10:47 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 31 2011, 10:47 AM EST
"lol, really, that's right :-)
I mean things like the areas easier to defend and to sweep"
Simply put, no, it isn't.
And while some things may be correct, he outright ignores many of the more dangerous aspects of survival. Namely other humans. Destroying the staircase is all well and good, until you get other armed people throwing molotovs through your window.

In addition, saying that you know everything about survival will not sit well with many members. The simple fact that you're asking a question on here proves otherwise. Saying something like that IS conceited and arrogant, because it can't possibly be true. If you want to be accepted here, I'd suggest checking your ego at the door.

The point of this site is to have fun and help others to learn, not to claim you're an expert and dismiss the comments of others. 3  out of 4 found this valuable. Do you?    
wkwkwkwk1
wkwkwkwk1
8. RE: Stronghold House
Jan 18 2012, 12:41 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 18 2012, 12:41 PM EST
"Simply put, no, it isn't.
And while some things may be correct, he outright ignores many of the more dangerous aspects of survival. Namely other humans. Destroying the staircase is all well and good, until you get other armed people throwing molotovs through your window."
I think, while not sure, that he recommends doing that when you are surrounded, so to throw molotovs it would be needed to kill the zombies. However, he says to have an emergency escape route ready, doesn't he? Do you find this valuable?    
x-wolfhunter
x-wolfhunter
9. RE: Stronghold House
Jan 18 2012, 4:21 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 18 2012, 4:21 PM EST
"What do you think? Who's wrong? Me or Max?

It's not my house, it's my grandfathers house, and don't underestimate him. He is faster than some people and was a professional hunter and, I don't disregard Max Brooks, because everything he says has a good base.

Thank you, but I know almost everything I could know about basic survival, not meaning to be conceited."
Oh, boy, another one of those people. *Sigh*

First things first: I'm sure we'd all absolutely love to see some photos of this house of yours. Including all of the things you mentioned.

Second, I've got a few things I'd like to say to you:


  • Saying something like "Who's wrong? Me or Max?" is not going to get you any good cred here. Really reread that and think about it if you don't understand.

  • Nobody said that they underestimated him. In fact, we didn't even know he existed until you said so in that very post. Nobody's doubting your grandfather (You, on the other hand, are a different story).

  • Actually, a good chunk of what Max Brooks said has no factual base in anything, and he knows this.

  • Max Brooks' survival guide is kinda a joke. He's a comedian. He did it for sh*ts 'n' giggles.

  • One of the most conceited things a man can say is "I'm not conceited."



I could go on, but I don't think I will. You get the point. 1  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
SasquatchJim
SasquatchJim
10. RE: Stronghold House
Jan 18 2012, 4:43 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 18 2012, 4:43 PM EST
"I think, while not sure, that he recommends doing that when you are surrounded, so to throw molotovs it would be needed to kill the zombies. However, he says to have an emergency escape route ready, doesn't he?"
No, he doesn't recommend doing it while surrounded.

Page 36: "*end of part 4* Time could be short, so don't spend it all gathering supplies while the most important job is still ahead. ...*point 5.*"Demolish the stairase! As zombies are unable to climb, this method guarantees your safety."

Yes, he does specify having an escape route, but he only cites fire as a reason. Unless you read "some fool down the street goes crazy with a molotov" as "heavily armed raiders intent to kill you and take your stuff", then he does not take other humans into consideration.
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x-wolfhunter
x-wolfhunter
11. RE: Stronghold House
Jan 18 2012, 5:43 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 18 2012, 5:43 PM EST
"No, he doesn't recommend doing it while surrounded.

Page 36: "*end of part 4* Time could be short, so don't spend it all gathering supplies while the most important job is still ahead. ...*point 5.*"Demolish the stairase! As zombies are unable to climb, this method guarantees your safety."

Yes, he does specify having an escape route, but he only cites fire as a reason. Unless you read "some fool down the street goes crazy with a molotov" as "heavily armed raiders intent to kill you and take your stuff", then he does not take other humans into consideration.
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One of the very numerous problems with taking that manual too seriously. Do you find this valuable?    
SasquatchJim
SasquatchJim
12. RE: Stronghold House
Jan 18 2012, 7:57 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 18 2012, 7:57 PM EST
"One of the <I>very</I> numerous problems with taking that manual too seriously."
Exactly. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
wkwkwkwk1
wkwkwkwk1
13. RE: Stronghold House
Jan 19 2012, 3:26 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 19 2012, 3:26 AM EST
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Saying something like "Who's wrong? Me or Max?" is not going to get you any good cred here. Really reread that and think about it if you don't understand.

Nobody said that they underestimated him. In fact, we didn't even know he existed until you said so in that very post. Nobody's doubting your grandfather (You, on the other hand, are a different story)

One of the most conceited things a man can say is "I'm not conceited.""
1. Thank you, really, if it wasn't you, nobody else would have told me that, and I wouldn't have changed

2. Read the first comment to this page: «around here, we tend to disregard what Max Brooks has to say». I was trying to explain I didn't disregard him, just that.

3. Well, I also didn't say you were underestimating my grandfather, did I?

4. Yes, I am a completely different story, since I never handled a firearm in my life, never.

5. Again, thanks for the advice. I really didn't know that. I was kinda trying to say that I wasn't saying that for you to think I was very good, see?

6. And, I already had a conversation about this with SasquatchJim.

7. Anything else, please send me a PM

Again, thanks everybody for all the advices! 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    

insainbassist
14. RE: Stronghold House
Mar 24 2012, 9:38 AM EDT | Post edited: Mar 24 2012, 9:39 AM EDT
In most emergency situations staying at home and waiting it out is probably the best idea (unless something like a flood is heading your way in which case the government will probably issue a mandatory evacuation to a safer location). But we all know that's not the situation anyone here is talking about.

If we're talking about a collapse of society/zombie situation where you will likely have to defend yourself the standard stick and board house is a pretty piss poor defense. It has a lot of easily broken into areas (windows, doors), it's just begging to be set on fire and most firearms will have no problem shooting through the walls.

Something like a concrete house would be much better, especially with thick walls. You still have the door/window problem though. It's also much less effected by fire and it'll also be much easier to heat if you live in an area where you have to worry about that. However, you still want to have an escape plan and two or more routes of escape. With conventional arms even thick concrete walls won't hold up for very long and if whoever/whatever is attacking you is determined enough they can wait you out (even if you have food/water stores they're in a much better position). Not to mention other tactics that could be used such as smoking you out.

Probably the best thing would be some place that is someplace that is easy to hide for the short term and for long term getting some kind of group together (safety in numbers) and eventually building a fort with food/water/ammo supplies that can be retreated to in case of attack (think how castles worked, most of the population lived outside where they farmed the land, if an invading force came in they'd all retreat into the castle where there were food stores and probably some kind of well or cistern).

Edit: Sorry for the thread revival. I didn't notice the date of last post before I posted. Do you find this valuable?    
PedroAsani
PedroAsani
15. RE: Stronghold House
Mar 24 2012, 10:29 AM EDT | Post edited: Mar 24 2012, 10:29 AM EDT
ZSG is a starting point, and can be used as a reference guide for some things. But it doesn't cover every point, and it isn't really focused anywhere but the US.

WWZ covers more, and is my personal favourite zombie novel. But again, these are starting points for you to think over and expand upon. Do you find this valuable?    
wkwkwkwk1
wkwkwkwk1
16. RE: Stronghold House
Mar 24 2012, 10:30 AM EDT | Post edited: Mar 24 2012, 10:30 AM EDT
"In most emergency [...] Edit: Sorry for the thread revival. I didn't notice the date of last post before I posted."
I only mean to stay in it until the initial panic has settled. Then I should move to somewhere else safe, like the mountains. Just check Portugal map and see how many mountains are near Lisbon, where I live. I'll only need to worry about the windows and doors if they pass the first (armed concrete) wall. Anyway, the doors are metal hollow, and windows have heavy iron shutters, which took an entire day to install, due to the weight. There are other small windows, only passable by a human, since they are very thin and high. The walls are made of armed concrete, so they may be able to withstand some shooting, I suppose. They are fireproof. One problem is the lack of canned food. I need to warn my grandparents about emergency survival. It is defensible, since it is on a hill. It can be escaped by the back..However, it is easy to surround. No problem on reviving the thread, I suppose :-) Do you find this valuable?