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Kalthurin |
PROBLEM.
Jan 9 2012, 1:24 PM EST
with most weaponry you need to focus on several key things.1. how long is it. the length of the weapon reduces the users ability to wield it affectively. 2. weight. The weight of it can and will wear down the user unless you have conditioned your body to prolonged use. 3. strength of the object, everything is subject to damage over time and quality should never be overlooked versus quantity. 4. speciality. Swords, spears, axes in fact nearly every weapon requires skill, joe six pack isn't going to know how to wield a katana or spear as soon as he picks it up so, if you don't know how to sue it properly, simply don't pick it up. 5. Hang ups. Will my weapon get caught up in the object its hit, things again like Axes, bill hooks, pikes, spears,chain saws rakes anything with a pole of spikes will get caught up in what they hit, knights knew it, gardeners know it and so should you, only consider a spear or anything similar unless you have trained with it. also ammunition and fuel comes into play when you consider firearms and things like chain saws, you best bet is and always will be a stout medium length machete, simply because they are not to heavy, are a good cleaving weapon and WILL NEVER RUN OUT OF AMMO OR FUEL 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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epic_epicness |
1. RE: PROBLEM.
Jan 9 2012, 1:43 PM EST
"with most weaponry you need to focus on several key things.you cant possibly fathom the number of threads that are already dedicated to this subject. LOCK PLEASE 1 out of 7 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Kalthurin |
2. RE: PROBLEM.
Jan 9 2012, 2:10 PM EST
Fair enough just pointing it out, and this is my first evening on here lol, I am though speaking from experience as a trained swordsman and former martial artist.1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Markthegenius |
3. RE: PROBLEM.
Jan 9 2012, 2:19 PM EST
"you cant possibly fathom the number of threads that are already dedicated to this subject.Is a lock really neccesary? The guy tries to start a conversation, but "oh no, we've already had one of those, f*** off!" I'm sure you're intentions are benevolent, but I'm anti-lock in most cases. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Markthegenius |
4. RE: PROBLEM.
Jan 9 2012, 2:31 PM EST
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"also ammunition and fuel comes into play when you consider firearms and things like chain saws, you best bet is and always will be a stout medium length machete, simply because they are not to heavy, are a good cleaving weapon and WILL NEVER RUN OUT OF AMMO OR FUEL"What, if any, weapons do you own/have access to? I like the idea of a machete, as it's very mobile and doubles up as a tool. however, you can't really stab with it, it will usually only have one blade, and it's shorter than a sword. My fighting load will *include* a pistol crossbow, a ww1 officers sword on my belt and my broadsword on my back (yes I can draw it out from my back- just!) The broadsword would be my first choice, because it's heavy and doube-edged. I'm strong enough for it not to slow me down drastically. However, I'd also carry the WW1 officer's sword because the broadsword is a re-enactment weapon only, so whilst intended to take a few wollops, i'd bet it isn't nearly as durable as the WW1 sword I have. A hang-up to the officer's sword I have is that there is only one sharp edge, as it was mainly intended to run people through with. It's much lighter than other swords, which is a bonus for mobility, but a massive disadvantage for hacking. It's also perfectly straight, which means it's not fantastic for slicing either. Would you be able to tell us where you trained as a swordsman, what style and what style of martial arts you trained as please? Oh, and welcome to the site :) 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Kalthurin |
5. RE: PROBLEM.
Jan 9 2012, 3:19 PM EST
Thanks for the welcome, and I don't wish to upset any one but also thank you for the back up, it was a tad off putting, I trained in outer London, in ninjutsu and Jujutsu, both japanese martial arts and subsequently as a result I am trained to wield most Japanese edged and non edged weapons.Aside from that, I trained via a LARP society in the use of the English broadsword and the Spanish Espada. I am impressed with the choice of Load out for yourself it takes a fair bit of strength to draw a double handed Broad blade from the back so Kudos, also the pistol cross bow is a good choice because you can make the ammunition required for it. As for myself I have access to all my training weapons, which some are already battle ready and others can be rendered so. Also a 150lb draw weight compound bow, two cross bows and a large collection of blunt weaponry being a former carpenter. I also have my Katana which was a gift from my former Sensei so its kinda the shizz lol, lovely blade, folded steel and hand forged. Fire arms in britain are very heavily controlled, so rifles and shot guns only but I am working on a Fire arms licence at the moment. Do you find this valuable? |
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Kalthurin |
6. RE: PROBLEM.
Jan 9 2012, 3:24 PM EST
I hope I rendered a satisfactory answer there if not just ask and I can explain in more detail if you want to know more1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Kalthurin |
7. RE: PROBLEM.
Jan 9 2012, 3:30 PM EST
Oh I forgot my Tramboica Brazillian Machete and cold steel Tanto.
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FrankLeeDeRainged |
8. RE: PROBLEM.
Jan 9 2012, 4:31 PM EST
"I trained in outer London, in ninjutsu and Jujutsu, both japanese martial arts and subsequently as a result I am trained to wield most Japanese edged and non edged weapons.As I learned quarterstaff with Norse Film and Pageant back when men were men and health and safety was just the wet dreams of insurance salesmen, I am disagreeing the whole 'how long it is' proposition. You might want to check these fellas out; http://www.quarterstaff.org/ _ 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Markthegenius |
9. RE: PROBLEM.
Jan 9 2012, 4:40 PM EST
sounds cool- any chance of photos?
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FrankLeeDeRainged |
10. RE: PROBLEM.
Jan 9 2012, 4:50 PM EST
"sounds cool- any chance of photos?"you want a picture of a stick??? _ 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Kalthurin |
11. RE: PROBLEM.
Jan 9 2012, 5:07 PM EST
"As I learned quarterstaff with Norse Film and Pageant back when men were men and health and safety was just the wet dreams of insurance salesmen, I am disagreeing the whole 'how long it is' proposition.Quater staffs, I have no problem with as I am trained in Rokoshaku bo(six foot staff) and Han bo( three foot). my point really only applies to things like bill hooks, rakes, Matooks etc. Staffs in the right hands as you point out brilliantly are excellent and I did say they only really work in the hands of "Trained" users. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Zee-Man |
12. RE: PROBLEM.
Jan 9 2012, 5:08 PM EST
"Machetes come in a variety of shapes and sizes from a 12" blade (ontario RAK II) to 27" inch blade. Some shapes use mechanical advantage (Gerber Parang) . Some are based on swords (ontario CT1 Cutlass) while others are not much more than a sharpened bar. You very well could thrust (stab) with the cutlass shaped CT1. While I tend to agree with the firearms folks here on ZSDW, I wont be able to own one for quite some time. Since I am a competent swordsman (live steel rated for Markland Medieval Mercenary Militia, some Kendo training) and experienced with other melee weapons, that is where I have to use for now. @Kalthurin I agree with you in general. Each of your general points has merit as well as compensating factors. When we talk about the "average" guy I think we need to be more clear on who we are talking about. Take endurance, for instance, which is different across a wide cross section. A brick mason (I am one) can easily fight florentine style using a long sword and great sword( I have) albeit not with skill. I think the main point in your post is that of training. Joe Sixpack (hehe) would do OK with a short sword, for a while. Peasant weapons, usually blunts, will serve him much better. Of course peasants died by the droves too. The need for training is propounded here on ZSDW all the time. Not just with weapons, but also with bushcrafting, stock keeping, fire starting, and so on. . . Do you find this valuable? |
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FrankLeeDeRainged |
13. RE: PROBLEM.
Jan 9 2012, 5:52 PM EST
"Staffs in the right hands as you point out brilliantly are excellent and I did say they only really work in the hands of "Trained" users."But I suggest that any couple of lads could train themselves to reasonable proficiency with some evening practice sessions. They might not reach this standard ; ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odYgdfqoKFU But they would probably knock the s**t out of most baseball bat waving wallies and mall ninjas. And all without getting into bother about 'offensive weapons' or unduly upsetting parents and guardians. _ Do you find this valuable? |
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Kalthurin |
14. RE: PROBLEM.
Jan 9 2012, 6:07 PM EST
"Machetes come in a variety of shapes and sizes from a 12" blade (ontario RAK II) to 27" inch blade. Some shapes use mechanical advantage (Gerber Parang) . Some are based on swords (ontario CT1 Cutlass) while others are not much more than a sharpened bar. You very well could thrust (stab) with the cutlass shaped CT1.Very good point, I am assuming your american like a vast majority on here apologies if you are not. And I agree, I was/am a carpenter I write as my main income but was a carpenter for several years as well as a fencing contractor and decorator, (i got around) I whole heartedly agree with Training in any and all fields I am a woods man and bush crafter not expert but well skilled, its sadly a dwindling art where i live, to many people becoming locked in suburban life. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Kalthurin |
15. RE: PROBLEM.
Jan 9 2012, 6:09 PM EST
"But I suggest that any couple of lads could train themselves to reasonable proficiency with some evening practice sessions. They might not reach this standard ; )fair enough, I am having a problem loading the home page but I know of the group and concede that with practice it would be feasible but as I said before, I was really referring to the edge variety. Do you find this valuable? |
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Zee-Man |
16. RE: PROBLEM.
Jan 9 2012, 8:04 PM EST
" its sadly a dwindling art where i live, to many people becoming locked in suburban life.I feel the pain. There isnt much "available" land for practicing bushcraft left in my area. Of that which is not privately owned almost all of it is now county parkland. I use a little bit of land that is still owned by the state but isnt parkland --- yet! *crosses fingers* Do you find this valuable? |
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Kalthurin |
17. RE: PROBLEM.
Jan 9 2012, 9:15 PM EST
"I feel the pain. There isnt much "available" land for practicing bushcraft left in my area. Of that which is not privately owned almost all of it is now county parkland. I use a little bit of land that is still owned by the state but isnt parkland --- yet! *crosses fingers*"Exactly the same here its either, farmland, Greenbelt land or parkland you can get away with on the green belt land as long as no one catches you, Farmers if they have the woodlands etc will some times let you but more often than not they tell you to shove it in the proverbial sun trap 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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FrankLeeDeRainged |
18. RE: PROBLEM.
Jan 10 2012, 5:18 AM EST
There is a point I suspect I have repeatedly failed to get over (so I'll try again) The best weapon is the one you have when you need it. The one you have or find and can use when when you need it.The UK authorities are psychotically averse to weapons of any description so learning some edged weapon is going to be harder than learning to use sticks due to reasons that are outside of the discipline of the martial art simply because owning and moving round with a bunch of swords will attract a lot more attention. When the SHTF anyone is far more likely to find something that serves as a stick than something that will function as a rapier, broadsword or katana. So if survival as opposed to living out some samurai movies is your purpose I propose people should learn to defend them selves with sticks. . . _ 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Markthegenius |
19. RE: PROBLEM.
Jan 10 2012, 5:18 AM EST
"you want a picture of a stick???no sorry I should have specified that the question was directed at Kalthurin lol Do you find this valuable? |