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BigLoki |
Take a look at this.
Jan 14 2012, 9:46 AM EST
I have been following some of this stuff for a while. I run across all kinds of stories, and opinions. I came across this link this morning, and I think it has the least amount of opinion, or conclusion in it; it is just presenting the events.I don't want to put my own spin on it right away, or to put my thoughts into it right away. I want people to take a look at it, draw their own conclusions, and let me know what you think, and how serious you think it may be. I will weigh in on it, for certain... I just don't want to bias anyone from the beginning. http://www.infowars.com/detention-camp-order-follows-preparations-for-civil-unrest/ Do you find this valuable? |
timberrattler |
1. RE: Take a look at this.
Jan 14 2012, 10:08 AM EST
Well it looks like I can forget survival planning. Looks like Obama is going to protect me from the hippies with bongos and those fellas in the "V" masks. When those middle-class types come to take my chrome-plated Hummer I'll rest easy knowing the National Guard will be there to protect me from the filthy unwashed 99%. If they get too uppity I can call that cop that sprays protesters with pepper spray like my uncle Merle sprays a Monte Carlo with metallic candy apple red paint. Interesting article Loki. Its more of a "head-scratcher" to me than a "circle the wagons boys they're movin' in" article. It makes me wonder how the Washington bunch views the rest of us. If they have time to come up with something like this you'd think they'd put a little time in on the economy. Do you find this valuable? |
Zee-Man |
2. RE: Take a look at this.
Jan 14 2012, 10:11 AM EST
Not to dissemble about the subject matter, but Im a bit leary about self-referential reporting. Infor wars and Prison Planet refer back and forth to each other a few times about how detainees will be identified finally ending up with a Prison Planet article about a Missouri incident without any reference to support it. Self-referential research is not research.On the other hand, the content in the article is justly alarming. One does not have to hook onto conspiracy theory to be concerned. The US legal system is based on precedents. The Act in question sets a very dangerous precedent which will be difficult to overturn. Do you find this valuable? |
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BigLoki |
3. RE: Take a look at this.
Jan 14 2012, 10:12 AM EST
The reason I came across the article is: I received an offer for a sealed bid, to build one of the camps.... That made it very real to me, and I did some research on it. It's only about 40 minutes from where i live, and construction is set to start in July of 2012.So it's no longer a "what if" it's a reality. It's not so much that they're building them, to me, it's the thought that they think(know) everyone will abide, and they want us to build our own cages...hahaha Do you find this valuable? |
Marsden |
4. RE: Take a look at this.
Jan 14 2012, 6:35 PM EST
With all due respect, and as Zee-Man has hinted at, despite making no biased remarks yourself, you have only provided us with one source detailing one point of view on the issue.------- Honestly, I would be wary of jumping to the conspiracy/restriction of civil liberties conclusion each time a seemingly questionable action is taken. The riots in the UK cost the taxpayer £100 million ($153 million) in damages.[1] The UK is a relatively small country with a high population density. Our police were quickly mobilized across the country. Now, take the USA. Larger country with a much lower population density. Police officers cannot be easily organised at a national level due to the state/federal divide, which is more pronounced in the USA than the UK. Also, police will have to travel greater distances. Preparing for the worst could help your country in the long term. On another point, the UK's prisons were overflowing after the riots.[2] The USA already has a high number of prisoners. These camps would help prevent an overflow crisis. All this is in my opinion and if any of it is illogical/incorrect I will change my rationale. Sources: 1. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/09/uk-riots-cost-taxpayer-100-million 2. http://www.metro.co.uk/news/872687-prisons-at-breaking-point-with-uk-riot-burden 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
cyrano222 |
5. RE: Take a look at this.
Jan 14 2012, 7:29 PM EST
Mars is correct all those pesky civilians should just put on their yellow stars and go to their assigned camps to maintain order.
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Carnack |
6. RE: Take a look at this.
Jan 14 2012, 7:53 PM EST
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"Mars is correct all those pesky civilians should just put on their yellow stars and go to their assigned camps to maintain order."He brings up a good point however. Would it not be stupid to (in the face of a crisis) NOT prepare in some way? Your comment assumes that what is being said is fact but if it is not fact then what are other explainations for this? If other explainations exist are they more or less realistic and plausable than "These people are coming for us." Do you find this valuable? |
IrishHitman |
7. RE: Take a look at this.
Jan 14 2012, 8:37 PM EST
There's any number of reasons to prepare.We're only ever one natural disaster away from starvation, or three missing meals from revolution... Do you find this valuable? |
Sullivan714 |
8. RE: Take a look at this.
Jan 14 2012, 9:27 PM EST
"The reason I came across the article is: I received an offer for a sealed bid, to build one of the camps.... That made it very real to me, and I did some research on it. It's only about 40 minutes from where i live, and construction is set to start in July of 2012.That's pretty crazy that they offered a hiring job for you to help build. That would freak me out. Seeing more and more news about these detention/FEMA camps is already starting to make me more creeped out. Do you find this valuable? |
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Marsden |
9. RE: Take a look at this.
Jan 14 2012, 9:59 PM EST
"Mars is correct all those pesky civilians should just put on their yellow stars and go to their assigned camps to maintain order."If that is what you derived from my response you are deeply mistaken. For a start, no where have I mentioned ethnicity. Comparing a camp constructed for the purpose of detaining an influx of prisoners following a civil disturbance is not equatable to an ethnic cleansing. A role of the state is to protect property rights. That is a fundamental aspect of the political economy which no ideological grouping anywhere would advocate as a failure. Without protection of property faith in the economy is weakened. Extremely few individuals invested in Somalia or pre-2001 Afghanistan. I pose to you the question, how would you deal with riots, cyrano222? If there is no place to hold prisoners how would you keep rioters off the streets? 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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cyrano222 |
10. RE: Take a look at this.
Jan 14 2012, 10:51 PM EST
That would depend upon your definition of a civil disturbance. Legal is not always right. Having lived in the deep south through some of the worst of the civil rights movement I have a distrust for "civil" authority, or was "Bull" Conner correct?I have a serious problem with my government detaining individuals it deems inappropriate. Are we on this site conspiritors? Should our governments put us in a camp because we lack faith in their ability "protect and provide" us. Do you find this valuable? |
StrykerPez |
11. RE: Take a look at this.
Jan 15 2012, 1:33 AM EST
Some scary sh!t. I have several documents pertaining to these "concentration camps" and it is very real and very bad. Along with the Dept. of Homeland Security's "Project Endgame", the Army Regulation Manual 210-35 "Civilian Inmate Labor Program", and National Defense Authorization Act (including indefinite detention)... I think the gubmint is scared. Of us.Indefinite detention without cause and large prison camps are never a good combo... and the good ol US of A has got both. Yay. This should be interesting. Do you find this valuable? |
Markthegenius |
12. RE: Take a look at this.
Jan 15 2012, 8:15 AM EST
I think the US Government is going for complete control over it's citizens. Now this doesn't have to mean that we're going to be facing a Nazi/Gestappo stye regime, but it well could do.If you consider how many (arguably, instigated) uprisings there have been over the past decade, I can easily imagine all of America's enemies to want to try their hardest to give civil unrest in the US a push. If I were in government, I'd want as much control over the population as I could get, albeit preferably without torture lol Do you find this valuable? |
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BigLoki |
13. RE: Take a look at this.
Jan 15 2012, 11:29 AM EST
Alright, now that there is some responses here, and I have already been a bit guilty I guess, of splaying my opinion on it.... I will just come out and say what I think now.I think that when you pair the fact that these camps ARE indeed being built, then read some of the legislation that has brought about their existence; it seems to me that they are bracing to put down some sort of revolt. Whether it is actual guns in the streets, or large political protests, it appears that they will be treated with the same heavy hand. I know a lot will disagree with me, and I don't take that personally, it is after all just my opinion. The legislation opens the door to A) Give the government the ability to label ANYONE a potential terrorist threat. B) Allows the government to detain that person indefinitely. There is no set guideline for when they need to begin determining whether that are, or are not a terrorist threat. If they want to wait on it 5 years, and see how it turns out, that's 5 years of detention without any recourse. I believe a government once did this very same practice, and we were so "up in arms" about it, that it became a world wide event (Nelson Mandela). It's disgusting that it should be alright, for US to do it. C) There is no clear cut definition of what a terrorist threat now is. It is whatever they say it is, so how do you refute a set of guidelines like that? <cont.> Do you find this valuable? |
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BigLoki |
14. RE: Take a look at this.
Jan 15 2012, 11:30 AM EST
D) These camps are generally set in rural areas, and seem to be able to house around 15,000 - 20,000 people. Don't you think that if there were 20,000 terrorists in Pennsylvania, something horrible would have happened? How the hell did 20,000 get here? "Occupy Wall Street" was only around 200 people I believe, they raised national headlines. What need could we possibly have, to detain 20,000 Americans? Maybe because they disagree with the government, so the government has now set into place a list of legislation that allows them to "protect" themselves from us.As I said, these are only my opinions, but I think there is enough fact, and circumstance around this issue; that makes it easy to see how I have formed this opinion, even if you disagree. This isn't some half-cocked "the gubmint's out fer us" stance. It is a semi-educated theory, based on the information available. There is more to what I think, but for the purposes of the thread, I think I've said more than enough to be painted a crazy person...hahaha Do you find this valuable? |
nightcreeper78 |
15. RE: Take a look at this.
Jan 15 2012, 3:56 PM EST
You're not crazy. When you look at this logically, does it make sense that they would spend the kind of money it would take to build a facility of this size with the country on the verge of bankruptcy and not use it? When you look at key pieces of legislation and special projects in the last few years, what is one supposed to think?
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BigLoki |
16. RE: Take a look at this.
Jan 17 2012, 12:07 AM EST
<Bump> For the sake of bumping. Do you find this valuable? |
Filadog |
17. RE: Take a look at this.
Jan 17 2012, 7:04 AM EST
OH!... the old FEMA/ US Goverment concentration camps again.....one of my favorite parinoid conspiracy theoriesI've been hearing about these things now for probably 15 years at least...once talked to an old Hippy that told me that everyone "knew" that the govement had secret prisons to put 100,000s of protesters in back in the 1960s if things got out of controll. The proof they have about them is always flimsy to say the least,..usually link to another nut job publication to prove it or somebody that knew somebody that saw one One of my favorites were the photos of the "cattle car" trains that were supposed to take us all to our new homes.Lots of photos of train cars with what looked like shackles on the walls ..YIKES ! Turned out to be photos of trains used to transport cars and the "shackles" were how they were held in place Heres an interesting article in Popular Mechanics on some of these myths http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/4312850 I think one of the reasons these camp theories are so popular with certain anti govement movements is because it makes them feel they are bigger then they really are....Hey there are 100,000s of us and the govement fears us so much they are building camps to put us all in! Truth is probably a couple Hotel 8s could do the job Do you find this valuable? |
11ACRBlackhorse |
18. RE: Take a look at this.
Jan 17 2012, 7:28 AM EST
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These so called detention camps were started under Bush and FEMA. In response to the lousy New Orleans camps set up and the crime and such. Plus there was a shortage of beds for all the moved inmates. Not counting the looters.The FEMA camps were being robbed from outside theives and also from some that lived in them. When FEMA became part of Homeland Security the evacuation centers were redesigned for multi-purpose uses. This was also being said during Clintons first term because they too were building some camps. I really think they are mostly for natural disasters and refugee relocation centers. With their own security and jails. I really think its just like the One World Order scare in the 90s. But now almost everything can and does have multiple uses. Can turn any stadium into a mass prison. And a concentration camp wont take a day to build. Just fence off a large area with one entrance. Place gaurds around it and put the riff raff inside. They dont need shelter or heat. They can build that later under armed gaurd, that is after the riff raff builds the gaurd towers and gaurd barracks. This is all a over blown nothing. YAWN Do you find this valuable? |
FrankLeeDeRainged |
19. RE: Take a look at this.
Jan 17 2012, 7:44 AM EST
Back in the dawn of time, or the 1980's Britain was undergoing major social changes and the manufacturing based was being dismantled. There were civil disturbances, riots, the miners strike (re; Billy Eliot) and officially 5.5 million unemployed which de-fudged was probably well over 10 mill.While the official government line was 'Get on your bikes' i.e. leave your home district to seek work, the reality was the welfare payments were a form of economic house arrest that meant staying at home or loose your benefits if they found that you were not there. One of the few forms of business experiencing growth were supermarkets which were being built in every town across an unemployment blighted region (my village had 85% U-Ep) But the supermarkets all had one common feature. An office suit on the1st floor, and the offices of the DHSS - Department of Health and Social Security (welfare office) were moved from their 1940's or 60's buildings to above the stores. This led to the popular understanding that we would soon no longer receive welfare money. . . But ration books, redeemable in the built in supermarket, and that without any cash what was effectively domestic imprisonment was complete. > > > It was hard for a long time to understand how I, and everyone I knew, could feel so paranoid. All the way through the 1990's and the years beyond that era seemed like some detached fever dream that couldn't have been real . . . . But it's leaking out after 30 years. Last week it was revealed through de-classified papers that the Gov was planning to abandon Liverpool. Throw a cordon around a city of 1/2 a million people and abandon it to rioters. But more than that, I'm beginning to remember how we 'felt' back then, its coming clear and the early 90's boom years are seeming like the dream http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfXnlATYccY _ Do you find this valuable? |
