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cas13f |
1. RE: Zombie Survival Primary Weapon
Jan 23 2012, 4:37 PM EST
That's very general.If you are in America: At 19, you can purchase a longarm and ammunition for a rifle or shotgun. So look at that. Your budget is fairly large, so you have a pretty wide pool of options. You really need to narrow it down. Do you want to DO anything else with it? What kind of round do you want? Rifle or shotgun? Carbine or full-size? All kinds of questions that you could use to narrow your search. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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2. RE: Zombie Survival Primary Weapon
Jan 23 2012, 7:36 PM EST
I think i'm leaning more towards a rifle and 5.56x45 and only other uses would be shooting for fun
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TreeLegs |
3. RE: Zombie Survival Primary Weapon
Jan 23 2012, 8:20 PM EST
Mine is a full size Mosin with a 2-7 pistol scope mounted where the rear sight block would be with a dovetail to picatinny rail mount. Grand total spent on the rifle was less than $200. It shoots a 7.62x54r, same as the Dragnov sniper rifle. It's big, solid and I love it. The range on it is farther than you'll probably ever shoot it(yesterday I put 5 rounds in a soda can at 75 yards) and once you get the tempo down you can shoot it rather quickly. You can buy rounds around .25 cents per. It came with tools for it, may pouches, sling and one wicked bayonet that I'm sure could let you chisel out of a concrete building. The surplus rounds are also steel core penetrators so their ain't much that's going to stop that round when you fire it. The only other thin you'll need is some ear plugs. It's a REAL attention getter in that respect lol. If you ever need parts for it(doubt it seriously)you can just buy another one. They are pretty customizable with a little work, but that's what makes it unique to you and your shooting style. Best part, if you ever run out of ammo, it just became your primary melee weapon. It's a piece of history, a beast and a real mans rifle.
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SasquatchJim |
4. RE: Zombie Survival Primary Weapon
Jan 23 2012, 8:51 PM EST
"I think i'm leaning more towards a rifle and 5.56x45 and only other uses would be shooting for fun"The 5.56 is definitely a good option. Cheap, light-recoiling, accurate, decently powerful, etc. You've got a pretty good budget, so maybe a good route would be buying a stock AR-15 from your company of choice, and then customizing it with whatever accessories you might want or need. Also, if you wanna save even more money, I'd suggest looking at the Kel-Tec Sub2000 carbine. It's light, thin, folds in half, and can accept mags from various popular pistols. So, if you went to buy a handgun in the future, you wouldn't have to worry about carrying different types of ammo. @Tree: While I do like the Mosin, I don't think it's really the best option for a new shooter. The ones I've handled are pretty long and bulky, and I hear they kick like a mule. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
oldannyboy37 |
5. RE: Zombie Survival Primary Weapon
Jan 23 2012, 8:55 PM EST
"I think i'm leaning more towards a rifle and 5.56x45 and only other uses would be shooting for fun"If you want a 5.56x45 rifle as a primary here's what I'd do. http://www.spikestactical.com/new/z/st15-16-midlength-le-carbine-p-443.html Spike's Tactical Mid-length gas system carbine. Less than $900. I'd spend the rest of the money on ammo, mags, maybe some decent priced optics, and a .22 conversion kit. That would give you a fighting rifle that used common parts and ammo; plus you could shoot .22 out of it and have a double purpose gun. Want to slap a light and fore grip on it? Invest $50 in a Magpul MOE fore end and some rail kits. If down the line you want a different caliber or barrel you can always swap out the uppers. Do you find this valuable? |
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cas13f |
6. RE: Zombie Survival Primary Weapon
Jan 23 2012, 10:16 PM EST
"Mine is a full size Mosin with a 2-7 pistol scope mounted where the rear sight block would be with a dovetail to picatinny rail mount. Grand total spent on the rifle was less than $200. It shoots a 7.62x54r, same as the Dragnov sniper rifle. It's big, solid and I love it. The range on it is farther than you'll probably ever shoot it(yesterday I put 5 rounds in a soda can at 75 yards) and once you get the tempo down you can shoot it rather quickly. You can buy rounds around .25 cents per. It came with tools for it, may pouches, sling and one wicked bayonet that I'm sure could let you chisel out of a concrete building. The surplus rounds are also steel core penetrators so their ain't much that's going to stop that round when you fire it. The only other thin you'll need is some ear plugs. It's a REAL attention getter in that respect lol. If you ever need parts for it(doubt it seriously)you can just buy another one. They are pretty customizable with a little work, but that's what makes it unique to you and your shooting style. Best part, if you ever run out of ammo, it just became your primary melee weapon. It's a piece of history, a beast and a real mans rifle. "I put approximately 80 rounds in a human torso at 300 meters. WITH IRON SIGHTS. With an M4. Mosins, while fairly accurate at their price point, unless you get a very amazing example of one, are actually not THAT accurate. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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TreeLegs |
7. RE: Zombie Survival Primary Weapon
Jan 23 2012, 11:00 PM EST
"I put approximately 80 rounds in a human torso at 300 meters.With the right rig and experience you can touch just about anything and we all have our own personal bests. An M4 would be an awesome choice as wel as long as you stay the urge to over do it with the gear. It's fast, light and accurate. I have a little of an issue with the first two. You can blow through rounds way to fast if you panic. Most combat arms guys should be fine. Your average target shooter that might not have the psychological wherewithal to pull the trigger probably won't be. It's light...and almost useless in a prolonged melee fight(I mean there is a reason a lot of troops dont get issued bayonets for them anymore). You bust that stock holding the buffer assembly and it's done. Yes, the Mosin is heavy, holds only five rounds and the recoil can be much for a recoil sensitive person(less than a 12 gage), but it forces you to take your time and helps you conserve ammo. The fact that it is slower means you have to learn techniques that you wouldn't neccisaraly learn from starting out with a M4. The Mosin is like an old car; great to learn the basics on, cheap, sturdy, but they're big and heavy. The M4 is like a sports car; Fast, lean and more technical, but is real easy to total out. Just my opinion. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
theman838 |
8. RE: Zombie Survival Primary Weapon
Jan 24 2012, 12:16 AM EST
I personally would build an AR15 from parts (a great quality build would be 600-800) and use the rest on ammo magazines and optics.
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The_survivalist |
9. RE: Zombie Survival Primary Weapon
Jan 26 2012, 2:17 AM EST
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I'd rather buy a bunch of cheap guns (mosins, wasr, hi point, etc) and cover all my bases than one AR15 that might not perform that well as you think. in my collection I have no fancy AR15. but I covered every scenario with an arsenal of inexpensive guns, got a pocket pistol- phoenix .22 got a sidearm: hi point 9mm got a magnum handgun: Uberti cattleman 44 mag got a .22 rifle: marlin 925r got a "assault" rifle: wasr-10 AKM got two combat rifles: mosin rifle & carbine got a shotgun: some cheap mossberg 500 clone got a long range scoped rifle: savage 11 in .223 got a heavy /anti material/big game rifle: H&R Handi rifle in .500 S&W Mag with the exception of the Savage pretty much everything else can be had for $1500 or less (total). I bought some new, some used. the AK does pretty well within 300 meters. the Mosin rifle can reach out to 500 meters if you can see what you're shooting at (no scope). I left a few of my guns out, they're really optional. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
Filadog |
10. RE: Zombie Survival Primary Weapon
Jan 26 2012, 5:32 AM EST
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"Hey everyone i'm 19 and i was hoping for some suggestions for a zombie apocalypse primary weapon and i'm hoping to spend less than $1500 dollars. Thanks!"I don't think you can go wrong with an AR15 carbine, is crazy to think that somehow you would be better off with something like a Mosin I think I have an AR carbine I built on my profile if you want to take a look http://image.wetpaint.com/image/1/syYkS_G0t00Trk7TNJcMZw516685/GW764H572 I built this using a parts kit I got at a gun show for $450 on a reciever I bought for $75 Paid $350 for the eotech at a gun show and the back up sight got on ebay for $25.. Has a surfire light I bought off a serviceman at the flea market who needed money for $25....So guess I have $925 total into it....Sling is some surplus one I paid $3, the magazine bag I think is a surplus Iraq one that I really like...$5 I also have a GI issue .22LR conversion kit, think $100 at a gun show Gave it a little Walmart camo paint just because I wanted to Shoots very well and never really had any trouble with this carbine , like all ARs need to keep it clean and more important oiled I'm not one for putting a lot of gee gaws on your gun but I love the eoteck and I think the light is a worthwhile addition that is usefull If I had to build it again I would have went with a regular A2 non collapsable stock, stonger and I like that you can keep cleaning gear inside it. I went with a heavy barrel now maybe sort of wish I went with a light weight one Also maybe look into an ilumnated low power quality scope like an IOR instead of the eotech.....maybe I need to build myself another AR, hmmm I'd say build something like this and then spend your left over $ on magazines and ammo. Very easy to find good mags for $5-10 and I'd pick up a dozen or so just to have them Do you find this valuable? |
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moonshade13 |
11. RE: Zombie Survival Primary Weapon
Jan 26 2012, 10:53 AM EST
Surprised no one has even mentioned a good ol' Kalashnikov. (AK47). I do like ARs and shoot mine regularly, but I really like my Saiga AK a lot as well. Though they are not quite as accurate as an AR @ longer ranges, they are extremely reliable & (@ least in my opinion) require considerably less maintenance. With your budget, you could easily get a quality one, tons of furniture and accessories & start a good ammo cache. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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oldannyboy37 |
12. RE: Zombie Survival Primary Weapon
Jan 26 2012, 2:04 PM EST
"Surprised no one has even mentioned a good ol' Kalashnikov. (AK47). I do like ARs and shoot mine regularly, but I really like my Saiga AK a lot as well.I'm an AK guy myself lol (Reference the profile picture). You can outfit an AK really nice for $1500. The reason I say AR is because of the modularity. You can swap uppers and bolts and shoot different calibers. There's kits to swap out to .22 that just involves swapping the BCG and magazine. If I could only own one rifle and just get accessories for it I'd get an AR. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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TreeLegs |
13. RE: Zombie Survival Primary Weapon
Jan 26 2012, 6:01 PM EST
"I'd rather buy a bunch of cheap guns (mosins, wasr, hi point, etc) and cover all my bases than one AR15 that might not perform that well as you think.That's impressive lol. Got a hi-point 9mm carbine myself and I love it. Can you give us the price you paid for the collection as a comparison? 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
KyanCross |
14. RE: Zombie Survival Primary Weapon
Jan 26 2012, 9:13 PM EST
I dont know the OP's knowledge of guns, but I personally think you cant go wrong with either an AR or AK build... you're budget is around 1500 that there u can build an awesome gun. Based on my shopping experience in my area, you can buy a bare bones bushmaster AR15 for about $800 after taxes. If you know how to put one together or a friend that can the price can be lower. Alot of AR's now a days have rails already attached to them so being able to attach optics or iron sights that you feel comfortable with could run you about $50- god knows what depending on how fancy you wanna go. The plus I would have to say about going this route is that the round is readily available and a higher chance of being one of the most common rounds you'd find while scavenging. An AK is way cheaper, i find em for around 400-600 around my area with wooden furniture. the one i built for myself after changing the furniture, optics, accessories, and adding a quad rail i was still under 1000. Granted the rounds might be harder to find, but i think its worth the purchase. I personally use this gun for hog hunting. I love the punch the 7.62 gives ;) specs for my personal ak are as listed below... Tapco T6 stock w/ recoil buffer Tapco AK SAW style grip ( i keep batteries and a hex screw driver in there) ak-74 muzzle break UTG quad rail - Tapco pistol front grip - Surefire flashlight - Burris reflex red dot sight 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
timberrattler |
15. RE: Zombie Survival Primary Weapon
Jan 26 2012, 9:23 PM EST
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/ar-15-05/complete-uppers.htmlI've built two ARs so far and I don't believe you could go wrong with Palmetto State Armory. Quaility parts at reasonable prices. Thier build kits cover lots of different set ups. You could build a quaility rifle with a flat top upper and slap an Aimpoint on it for $1500. If you check out my profile page you'll see two AR rifles. Neither one cost over $1500 and I've got a Nikon scope and a Harris bi-pod on one of them. I don't believe you can go wrong with a mid-length carbine. I'm well pleased with the iron sights on mine. Would love to add a reflex or holographic sight in the near future though. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
Roemeida |
16. RE: Zombie Survival Primary Weapon
Feb 18 2012, 9:34 PM EST
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In my opinion, the primary weapon should be a hand-to-hand combat weapon. A 36 inch steel crowbar (not a lot at all) is the best way to go. I'd always choose a ammunition needy weapon second, although all of the above are nice choices. With the 36 inches you could swing it like a bat (holding the flat end, curved end out) into the zombies head, and still be well out of reach. Only problem is, that's risky depending on the cause of the infection, the blood could infect you. Otherwise, if your mentally capable and it's a single zombie, steel crowbars don't take as much to care for, and they're good for multiple situations (lifting/ prying open doors). I originally got this idea from Valve's Half-Life (+ Ep 1&2). The main character, Gordon Freeman, rocks this weapon the whole time. It never failed him ^^. My second choice for a primary, A crossbow. They're fairly light and you could re-use bolts provided you don't get one with a huge amount of tork and break them (from hitting objects behind the zombies head). (Daryl, from the show 'The Walking Dead' [Comic as well] Shows this nicely on several occasions. As long as you don't mind cleaning them off lol.)
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17. RE: Zombie Survival Primary Weapon
Feb 18 2012, 10:14 PM EST
As has been discussed on this site many, MANY times, contrary to what you may have seen in video games or anime, for the vast majority of people a crowbar would make a pretty rotten weapon. It's too heavy and it's balanced like, well like a crowbar. Swinging a crowbar at a zombie or two might be okay, but unless you are built like an ox, swinging a crowbar at multiple zombies would rapidly cause muscle fatigue in your arms, thereafter leaving you unable to swing it effectively or causing you to lose your grip and drop it entirely.Secondly, unless you live someplace where firearms are either illegal or unobtainable or whatever, and you thus have no other alternative, ANY melee weapon would be a poor choice as a primary fighting weapon. Melee combat places you too close to the target, causing needless risk of infection from blood or other splatter, and also allows you no margin for error. If you make a mistake you die. With a ranged weapon, on the other hand, even if you miss you usually have time to either shoot again, or run away, or hide, or whatever else the situation dictates. This is seldom the case when zombies are already within "OMG-You-Haz-Cavities" distances. As for the crossbow, while it is no doubt better than a crowbar, most bolts are either lost or damaged once fired. The likelihood of being able to retrieve and reuse them is actually fairly slim. With that said, however, if you learn a little about fletching in advance, it will often be possible to make your own bolts from improvised materials, though a firearm with a goodly stockpile of ammo would still be a better alternative. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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TreeLegs |
18. RE: Zombie Survival Primary Weapon
Feb 18 2012, 11:09 PM EST
I recently considered archery as a back up to firearms and this is my watered down conclution(skipping a bunch of mundane details).Playing with a crossbow at a sporting goods store the other day, I notice that it takes some muscle to **** that big bulky thing(will take two hands and a foot for most people). This made me think that at close range, overpenetration would cause the bolt to probably go through the skull and some distance down range making retrieval unlikely. This would depend on the broadhead used of course(in the Walking Dead, target heads are used which provide little penetration, but low upkeep). Compound Bows seem like a decent idea, but you run into some of the same problems as the crossbow. While they can be quite small and powerfull, It takes practice to learn how to use one properly. One must also draw the bow to it's let off point before it can be fired to any real effect. As with the complicated mechanics of the crossbow, they could potentially become usless unless one has the tools and skill to repair one. The recurve seemed to be the better answer, even though it's size could become cumbersome. If a takedown model is purchased, all you need are a few extra bow strings and a couple of replacement limbs as the riser is unlikely to break, unless it was a failure of the limb to riser mount. You also get the option of taking the bow apart and storing it using considerably less space than any of the other bows. The recurve can also be fired without having to be fully drawn, which with practice, could be utilized for close range rapid fire or shooting in cramped locations. This is some of the things I noticed that I believed should influence purchasing bows and crossbows. Hope it helps. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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White76Knight |
19. RE: Zombie Survival Primary Weapon
Feb 19 2012, 12:13 AM EST
Excellent advice, TreeLegs. I wouldn't consider a compound bow or crossbow in a survival situation, as without the proper tools and skills to maintain them, I just wouldn't trust the comlexity, but I could certainly see using a takedown recurve bow, or better yet a takedown recurve crossbow. Even these, however, would best serve as a backup ranged weapon and alternative to a silenced rifle for those occasions when stealth is the order of the day. The limited rate of fire of a bow (and the even more drastically limited rate of fire for a crossbow) would make them unsuitable as a primary weapon in my opinion, and again, save for those who live where they are unobtainable, a firearm with a goodly stockpile of ammo would still be a better alternative.
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