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Redrighthand |
EER, IER "Scout" scopes
Jan 25 2012, 7:40 PM EST
It seems to me that a decent, variable power scout scope offers quick target acquisition when things are tight, along with decent accuracy out to 400m - if you can shoot that well, and depending on the weapon, of course. But they also seem to be a love it or loathe it item. Without getting into the whole "Cooper's Scout Rifle" dogma one way or the other, anyone here tried this sort of setup?
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TreeLegs |
1. RE: EER, IER "Scout" scopes
Jan 28 2012, 1:53 AM EST
I placed an 2-7 NC Star pistol scope where my sight block base is on my Mosin via a dovetail to picatinny rail. The eye relief is perfect and I enjoy the fact that the scope doesn't take up my entire field of vision. It makes reflexive shooting a breeze. Also, it's easier to shoot with both eyes open which is nice in a dynamic environment wit multiple targets. Needless to say I'm a fan of the concept lol. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
oldannyboy37 |
2. RE: EER, IER "Scout" scopes
Jan 28 2012, 2:06 AM EST
I have a red dot sight in a "scout" position on my AK. Forward mounted optics tend to be easier to shoot with both eyes open in my experience. You don't get tunnel vision like you do in the normal position. I tried a 2-7 long eye relief scope at a gun show (Shouldered not shot). Long eye relief optics tend to be easier to shoot quickly and if it's a variable you could still zoom in for a longer shot. I like them. Next Lever Action rifle I get is getting a Leatherwood EER 2-7x32 on a scout mount. Do you find this valuable? |
timberrattler |
3. RE: EER, IER "Scout" scopes
Jan 28 2012, 6:47 AM EST
Question for the OP. What are some of the advantages you see in a pistol scope over a reflex or holographic sight?The scout concept is kind of dated in my eyes. This coming from somebody who was once really taken in with the concept. An AR in .308 with a reflex scope and a magnifier is the modern day scout rifle IMO. Do you find this valuable? |
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TreeLegs |
4. RE: EER, IER "Scout" scopes
Jan 28 2012, 11:07 AM EST
"Question for the OP. What are some of the advantages you see in a pistol scope over a reflex or holographic sight?I enjoy the adjustable magnification. 2x is pretty much unnoticeable compared to the unassisted eye. Great for close in work. 7x let's me really see what's going on down range for longer shots. Most non variable scopes for rifles are on 4x which IMO is too much for close in. Bad part is unless you have illuminated crosshairs its hard to see in low light. Scopes take up more room on your rifle and can lose their zero if banged around too much. Reflex and holographic sights are great CQB sights. That was actually going to be my second choice for my rifle if the scope didn't take the recoil lol. I like the low profile on the weapon, ease of maintainence and thier low light capabilities. Don't like the the fact you're dependent on batteries. It's real easy on a bright day to think you turned it off but you actually had it on one of the real faint settings and waste the batteries. Don't like the fact that you have to have a magnifier to zoom in or the power setting it's at(did not like the EO Tech holo with the magnifier at all) or the fact that I have another piece of equipment to take care of. I'm about trying to keep a weapon light. It really boils down to personal taste and what you feel is best for the situation you see yourself getting into. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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timberrattler |
5. RE: EER, IER "Scout" scopes
Jan 28 2012, 11:57 AM EST
Thank you for the info TreeLegs. That's the best explaination I've heard in support of the scout rifle in quite a while.
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TruthandaSword |
6. RE: EER, IER "Scout" scopes
Jan 28 2012, 7:04 PM EST
I've been into that idea for a while.I like the idea of always having the iron sights option as well.Both eyes open means EER;and the Millet,Nikon,and Bushnell vaiable magnifacation,EER(pistol,shotgun,and "scout") scopes are where it seems to be at.Right now I'm running the Bushnell 1x Trophy pistol red-dot that used to be on my pistol,on my AR.IIts "see-thru"and forward mounted on a detachable carry handle.Thats stricktly reclex/close/med. range,of course.Thats also easy to bore-sight for a 25/100 yard zero.I also keep another detachable carry-handle with a "see-thru",mid-mounted Barska Huntmaster scope.That is not a true "scout" setup in that the eye relief is about 4";but it allows for tracking and better magnification than ,say, a pistol scope.With good mounts:that can be a detachable unit that one can use as a monocular free from the rifle,but hold its zero when re-mounted as well as a 'quick-detach' mount.I keep the pistol red-dot on there most of the time in shooting so that I am constantly sub-consciously learning the true aim point of the rifle.I hate batteries.Objective:eventually I shouldn't need a scope for close-med. range... just like cowboy action pistol shooting.The optics idea should only come in for observing/engaging at med+ range.I want to try the same idea on a .308 or 7.62 x 54R type platform on the quest for this "one rifle".The idea of a bayonet is also attatched to the "scout rifle" concept to me.If you are carrying a rifle in bad circumstances;why WOULDN'T you mount another necessity to your rifle to add a melee-combat capability to the weapon.A sharp bayonet is also a good hunting knife/hammer/pry bar.If I can't attain it,there will be no point in having a rifle.This is just my take on the idea.
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11ACRBlackhorse |
7. RE: EER, IER "Scout" scopes
Jan 30 2012, 10:39 AM EST
Im trying to build a cowitness relex sight for my Frankin Mosin M44. Im trying to keep the standard sights incase the reflex get banged or broken. Plus Im trying to keep the carbine unaltered so it can be returned to original condition if need be.If it works I will modify the mount so I cant mount a scout/pistol variable scope on my Mosin M91/30 also with retaining the iron sights as backup. Plus my eye sight is getting worse with age and need the extra help. But the concept is good enough for the Army even after years of hard combat useage. The whole scout scope, reflex sight, red dot sight is a win win by my book. I also dont want something needing special batteries and if they do have a solar charger for them. Otherwise get useless fast once batteries run out in a SHTF scenario. But hey thats me. lol 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
White76Knight |
8. RE: EER, IER "Scout" scopes
Feb 6 2012, 7:57 PM EST
"Question for the OP. What are some of the advantages you see in a pistol scope over a reflex or holographic sight?That's funny, considering that an AR in .308 with a long and short range ACOG/RMR Reflex is pretty much exactly what I'm after. http://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/product2.php?id=ACOG&mid=ACOG%20/%20RMR%20Combo Do you find this valuable? |
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Redrighthand |
9. RE: EER, IER "Scout" scopes
Feb 9 2012, 3:19 AM EST
"Thank you for the info TreeLegs. That's the best explaination I've heard in support of the scout rifle in quite a while."Yes, it is. And pretty well sums up my interest in the idea. The "scout" rifle idea seems to be a great way to have the best of both worlds - a fast handy close up weapon when necessary, with the ability to "reach out and touch someone" when needed. Yes, I'd go the whole way with a bolt or lever action (Savage FCM10 looks nice) for weight savings and reliability (not to mention legality). No reason it wouldn't work on a semi-auto, of course. M1A Scout Squad or SOCOM 16 would be my choice along that line - but I just can't get into AR's, you see. Do you find this valuable? |
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White76Knight |
10. RE: EER, IER "Scout" scopes
Feb 9 2012, 12:18 PM EST
"No reason it wouldn't work on a semi-auto, of course. M1A Scout Squad or SOCOM 16 would be my choice along that line - but I just can't get into AR's, you see."Any particular reason why not? Do you find this valuable? |
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Redrighthand |
11. RE: EER, IER "Scout" scopes
Feb 9 2012, 3:58 PM EST
Oh, well, I could mentione reliability problems inherent in the design - but let's face it, those issues have been long since solved in many AR variants. No, really it's purely asthetic. I just don't like the look of 'em, much. Except maybe the modern M4s. M16s just look like kids toys, to me, and ugly ones at that. :)
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White76Knight |
12. RE: EER, IER "Scout" scopes
Feb 9 2012, 5:36 PM EST
"Oh, well, I could mentione reliability problems inherent in the design - but let's face it, those issues have been long since solved in many AR variants. No, really it's purely asthetic. I just don't like the look of 'em, much. Except maybe the modern M4s. M16s just look like kids toys, to me, and ugly ones at that. :)"As you said, though, the modern AR variants aren't really like that anymore. Do you find this valuable? |
