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JuliKitty |
Water: What about bleach?
Jan 25 2012, 11:09 PM EST
I heard that bleach can clean water well enough if its clear water, with out boiling it. Here's the link I found that says how much to use :* http://www.newjerusalem.com/PureWater.htm *:. I was reading the "Water: Purity, How much, and How to get it..." I noticed that no one said anything anything about the hot water tank, (no need to purifay it before you drink it, if you turn the water line off fast enough). Or even draining all the pipes that you would be able to. With the hot water tank you are looking at least 20 gallons in there. I'm not saying that the rest of the ideas are really good, but i just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in.
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Sharpie41 |
1. RE: Water: What about bleach?
Jan 25 2012, 11:17 PM EST
"I heard that bleach can clean water well enough if its clear water, with out boiling it. Here's the link I found that says how much to use :* http://www.newjerusalem.com/PureWater.htm *:. I was reading the "Water: Purity, How much, and How to get it..." I noticed that no one said anything anything about the hot water tank, (no need to purifay it before you drink it, if you turn the water line off fast enough). Or even draining all the pipes that you would be able to. With the hot water tank you are looking at least 20 gallons in there. I'm not saying that the rest of the ideas are really good, but i just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in. "Actually I think bleach (and tank) was mentioned. Just wondering, how come YOU didn't add bleach to that discussion? If you take an empty bleach bottle (do NOT rinse out) it will have enough bleach residue to sterilize and keep fresh that much water Do you find this valuable? |
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JuliKitty |
2. Thank you Sharpie41
Jan 25 2012, 11:26 PM EST
I am new I'm still working on how to post on the per existing threads. But I would like to thank you for bring to my attention that bleach was brought up. I might have missed it when i was reading the thread "Water: Purity, How much, and How to get it..."
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Zee-Man |
3. RE: Water: What about bleach?
Jan 25 2012, 11:28 PM EST
Two drops of unscented 5% bleach can be added per liter or quart of clear water. Allow to stand closed for 30 to 60 mins. Then allow to stand open to allow chlorine to outgas and improve taste. Do check your label, bleach can come in different strengths.To drain your pipes, open the highest spigot in the house. Then go to the lowest spigot, usually on the water heater, and drain. Water heaters are usually 30 gal capacity but can vary in size. Frankly, leave the water in the pipes until you need it. You shouldnt have to drain it unless there is risk of breakage (or if you need that much). when the water comes on again, open ALL spigots but the water heater drain and run for several minutes to get the air out. Oh, you said all that, I just used more words, lol I dont remember if we covered sun/UV light as a purifying method. I am currently building a water bank on my windowsill. 10 days worth now. Daily exposure to UV light. Do you find this valuable? |
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JuliKitty |
4. RE: Water: What about bleach?
Jan 25 2012, 11:34 PM EST
Draining the pipes would be the best option because I like in a cold weather area. Zee-Man, I think you said that better then I did anyway. When the power goes out, the pipes will burst and they do that even with the heat on. But with the windowsill purifying system you have does it have a net over it or something to keep the bugs and what not out???
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moonshade13 |
5. RE: Water: What about bleach?
Jan 26 2012, 11:07 AM EST
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I don't believe standard UV light from the sun is strong enough to purify water even over an extended period of time. If so, then it would be feasible for some shallow puddles to be cleaned that way, which tend to NOT be safe. You would need something like a SteriPen - http://www.steripen.com/ That provides a concentrated UV light to kill the micro organisms & such. I'm not sure if something like an aquarium UV light would be able to perform the same task either. Definately make sure the bleach is uncented. Told the GF to get some once so we had it during a hurricane & she came back with Lavender scented Clorox...... 1/8 teaspoon per quart/liter is another way of measuring it (in case you don't have a dropper. We had to do that to our water for a week when Isabel hit the East Coast because the treatment plant became contaminated. EDIT: It does look like solar UV can actually help.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_water_disinfection Guess it would depend on a lot of factors as they state in the article, but it does seem or work. They don't specify how well it affects stuff like mosquito larva and such so to me that would still be a concern. Do you find this valuable? |
PedroAsani |
6. RE: Water: What about bleach?
Jan 26 2012, 12:35 PM EST
UV kills some things, but not everything.Filtering removes some things, but not everything. Boiling kills some things, but not everything. Bleach kills some things, but not everything. You really want the water to be safe? Combine the lot. Filter, UV, bleach and boil. If you have the ability to evaporate and condense the steam, do that too. Long winded process, but more effective than a single method alone. Do you find this valuable? |
LJ126 |
7. RE: Water: What about bleach?
Jan 26 2012, 1:50 PM EST
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We use plain-Jane household bleach here when we're preparing water for long-term storage. Each 1/2 gallon plastic bottle receives 4-6 drops and is rotated every six months. We could probably even safely add more bleach, as our water here is not chlorinated out of the tap. Dunno if that's a function of a water softener or what, but the water here is *very* soft.If we ever had to drink the water we keep stored, it would be run through a simple filter (Brita), then boiled. The Brita filter isn't enough to remove dangerous micro-organisms, but it is designed to absorb halogen compounds (like bleach) and pesticides, and will help filter out any heavy metals (lead, copper, etc.) The boiling is meant to truly purify. As a backup, we have iodine-based treatment options as well, though I prefer boiling. To sterilize our storage containers, we use Listerine. Works very, very well. Get the original flavor, the gold colored one. The mint flavors work but might attract ants. Learned this one the hard way back when I lived in STL. Do you find this valuable? |
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Zee-Man |
8. RE: Water: What about bleach?
Jan 26 2012, 5:19 PM EST
"But with the windowsill purifying system you have does it have a net over it or something to keep the bugs and what not out???"It is comprised of 1 liter PETE bottles. so the water is all sealed away. The bottles are laid on their sides and contained by the window casement. The windowsill is deep, supporting over 2/3 of the bottle length. It isnt old enough to tell if dust collection is an issue. The window isnt used for ventilation so Im not worried about insects. I wonder about compression as the stock gets higher. The third level is building now and no signs of compression bulges. I dont expect any problems since the bottles are designed for high pressure. Now, my plan is based on bugging in for only a few days, so the supply is already past my need, but Im carrying it on since it takes no real effort. There is no place nearby to get the bottle tax back, so I may as well use the 5 cents wisely. Ill post a pic on my profile when it looks impressive enough : ) Do you find this valuable? |
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Zee-Man |
9. RE: Water: What about bleach?
Jan 26 2012, 5:37 PM EST
" If so, then it would be feasible for some shallow puddles to be cleaned that way, which tend to NOT be safe.UV isnt effective on puddles because of constant contamination. UV can only be as effective as the cleanliness of the container. Im not certain, but I believe a Milbury (sic?) bag will get out most macro-organisms. Most common fabric (kerchief, t-shirt, sock) will filter out mosquito eggs and larvae. In terms of filtration they are HUGE. PA has the right of it, all methods have deficiencies. Even distillation has some process details that need to be followed to get relatively pure water. I may be wrong, but I believe the only way to have PURE water is by combining 2 H with an O (easy, just burn the H). Severe chemical treatment gets pretty damn close to pure. There are several levels of purity for labratory "pure" water even. Do you find this valuable? |
Oakspar77777 |
10. RE: Water: What about bleach?
Jan 26 2012, 9:06 PM EST
Bleach or boiling kills micro-organisms, but does not remove impurities (dirt, metals, dead roaches, etc). If it is water that you put away, then that is all you need.Water that is dirty or comes from other contaminated sources will likely need filtering and sterilization. If you are filtering large quantities a sand filter is easy (and cheap) enough to construct. Do you find this valuable? |
White76Knight |
11. RE: Water: What about bleach?
Jan 26 2012, 10:21 PM EST
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"Bleach or boiling kills micro-organisms, but does not remove impurities (dirt, metals, dead roaches, etc). If it is water that you put away, then that is all you need.Several large scale methods of gathering, filtering and sterilizing water are discussed on Page Three of my Survival Plan. It's a multi step process as Pedro mentioned, and includes an easily constructed pre-filter, treatment with chlorine bleach, filtering with a commercially made filtration system and then distillation in a homemade still. Anyone who is interested can look at it here: www.zombiesurvivalwiki.com/page/White76Knight%27s+Survival+Plan+-+Page+Three I've even come up with an automated way to add the right amount of bleach to a barrel full of water, then automatically flush the water on to the next stage, but that part hasn't been added to the page yet. It's based on the one fluid ounce shot dispensers that you see on liquor bottles in bars, which is thereafter combined with a modified flush mechanism out of a standard toilet (using a new clean mechanism from a hardware store, of course, not one that's actually been used in a toilet. Eww, LOL). Do you find this valuable? |
NotAlice |
12. RE: Water: What about bleach?
Jan 28 2012, 10:40 PM EST
"It is comprised of 1 liter PETE bottles. so the water is all sealed away. The bottles are laid on their sides and contained by the window casement. The windowsill is deep, supporting over 2/3 of the bottle length.I guess I'm not getting the description of your water wall clearly. Are the bottles inside or outside the house? If inside, doesn't the glass cut the UV? If outside, are you in a semitropical zone? That wall will burst up here in Minnesota. Do you find this valuable? |
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13. RE: Thank you Sharpie41
Jan 29 2012, 10:17 AM EST
"I am new I'm still working on how to post on the per existing threads. But I would like to thank you for bring to my attention that bleach was brought up. I might have missed it when i was reading the thread "Water: Purity, How much, and How to get it..." "Well, since you just posted this reply, you understand now, right? Oh, God, I really hope you do . . . 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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White76Knight |
14. RE: Thank you Sharpie41
Jan 29 2012, 11:54 AM EST
"Well, since you just posted this reply, you understand now, right?LOL - Not at all. He posted it psychically! Do you find this valuable? |
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Zee-Man |
15. RE: Water: What about bleach?
Jan 29 2012, 1:05 PM EST
 Normal glass does not interfere with UV light. Tinted glass might block some UV light. Glass that is coated with mylar is likely to be blocking UV.Do you find this valuable? |
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White76Knight |
16. RE: Water: What about bleach?
Jan 29 2012, 4:27 PM EST
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" Normal glass does not interfere with UV light. Tinted glass might block some UV light. Glass that is coated with mylar is likely to be blocking UV.Dude, how did you post a picture in your reply? EDITED TO ADD: LOL - Oh never mind. There it is. D'oh! First Attempt: Fail Second Attempt: Fail Third One's the charm, right? <img src="http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp3/j76harris/ZombiePizza.jpg" title="Zombie Pizza" width="20%"> Do you find this valuable? |
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White76Knight |
17. RE: Water: What about bleach?
Jan 29 2012, 4:40 PM EST
Okay this sucks. Is it just that you can't see your own pics? Is it not showing up at all or is it showing up for anyone else?
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Zee-Man |
18. RE: Water: What about bleach?
Jan 29 2012, 5:02 PM EST
No, it is a well kept secret. It took about an hour of google-fu to find out thoughDo you find this valuable? |
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19. RE: Water: What about bleach?
Jan 30 2012, 2:36 PM EST
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