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timberrattler	Standard Hunting Shotgun vs. Tactical Shotgun Jan 28 2012, 9:21 AM EST Which shotgun would you rather have in a SHTF situation? I know that they aren't really that different in that both can do the others job fairly well. Although I wouldn't be thrilled about taking a tac shotgun turkey hunting and a goose gun would be clumsy in close quarters. I'd like to hear others opinions on which one they'd rather have and what you could do to make a do-it-all hybrid out of your standard shotgun. I've always thought that a 12 guage shotgun with a 26" vented barrel and a slug barrel was all a guy needed and that a tactical shotgun was a one trick pony. That's my opinion, what's yours? Post reply 5 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you? Keyword tags: None
renet76	1. RE: Standard Hunting Shotgun vs. Tactical Shotgun Jan 28 2012, 9:38 AM EST "Which shotgun would you rather have in a SHTF situation? I know that they aren't really that different in that both can do the others job fairly well. Although I wouldn't be thrilled about taking a tac shotgun turkey hunting and a goose gun would be clumsy in close quarters. I'd like to hear others opinions on which one they'd rather have and what you could do to make a do-it-all hybrid out of your standard shotgun. I've always thought that a 12 guage shotgun with a 26" vented barrel and a slug barrel was all a guy needed and that a tactical shotgun was a one trick pony. That's my opinion, what's yours?" Given that i have a personal policy of only using firearms to get me out of trouble not to go looking for it nor to rely on them for food i guess i would prefer something more suitable for close quarters like a short pump action but thats just my way of looking at it but if i could i would have my Mossberg 501a ( i think it was called that ) again for that role Post reply Do you find this valuable?
OutlawJames	2. RE: Standard Hunting Shotgun vs. Tactical Shotgun Jan 28 2012, 12:15 PM EST \| Post edited: Jan 29 2012, 11:47 AM EST "Which shotgun would you rather have in a SHTF situation? I know that they aren't really that different in that both can do the others job fairly well. Although I wouldn't be thrilled about taking a tac shotgun turkey hunting and a goose gun would be clumsy in close quarters. I'd like to hear others opinions on which one they'd rather have and what you could do to make a do-it-all hybrid out of your standard shotgun. I've always thought that a 12 guage shotgun with a 26" vented barrel and a slug barrel was all a guy needed and that a tactical shotgun was a one trick pony. That's my opinion, what's yours?" I'm kinda with you on this. My personal carry is a Rem 870. I use a 28" with remchokes for bird hunting, swap it to my 18 1/2 " slug barrel for slug hunting large game and home defense with shot. ( this also is my zedpoc carry ) I've always been a woodstock fan, I like to poetry of the wood grain stocks. So plastic stocks never thrilled me much. Also all the tactical crap they hang onto arms... lazers, flashlights,tactical cappuccino machines...just more weight that is of marginal use in my opinion... So just a basic field grade gun, with 2 barrels, a short slug barrel for defense and slug hunting and a 28" with interchangable chokes for bird and small game. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
SasquatchJim	3. RE: Standard Hunting Shotgun vs. Tactical Shotgun Jan 28 2012, 12:36 PM EST Personally, I prefer a hunting shotgun. I'm much more used to 'em, and for me they're a lot easier to shoot than an 18" riot gun. They feel balanced better, and I don't think there's as much muzzle blast. My standard hunting shotgun at the moment is a 30" Remington 1100 owned by my dad. He carried it for about 15 years, and it always worked for him. It's rugged, dependable, and puts rounds where I aim it at. The barrel's a bit long (maybe a 26" would be better) but overall I prefer it to any other shotgun I've fired. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
John_234	4. RE: Standard Hunting Shotgun vs. Tactical Shotgun Jan 28 2012, 1:38 PM EST My problems with hunting shotguns the way most people set them up, that is, wood stock, 26-30'' barrel, three round plugged mag tube and bead... Too long for most uses. Capacity restricted by necessity. Generally heavy to cut weight. Crap sights. http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac335/4N20/DSC_0034.jpg I don't consider this overly tactical, but it does have useful features. An enlarged safety, crisp ghost-ring sights and a very sturdy flashlight. Add choke threading, and that 18'' barrel can shoot pretty damn well with various loads. Or you can find factory 21'' barrels with threading for chokes. That's a very well-rounded shotgun that can put up a hell of a defense, and put food on the table, without being excessively expensive (forearm aside.) If I want dead simple: http://www.dafitch.com/images/firearms/P2280003_01.jpg Inexpensive, holds many rounds, can take some nice ghost-ring sights, since it's a Mossberg. And the wood stock makes it look nice (Eh, T-rat?) That's my ideal, anyway. If I'm going to go with a barrel that is over two feet long, I might as well go the full nine: http://madtrigger.net/images/gats/xx1100%20open.jpg At least with a competition shotgun, I have extra rounds, quick target acquisition and low recoil to make up for the bulk and length. But then again, it looks extremely aggressive and is pricey, so it's not a perfect option either. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
womule2005	5. RE: Standard Hunting Shotgun vs. Tactical Shotgun Jan 28 2012, 1:49 PM EST in this scenario i imagine myself running to my gun cabinet and reaching for my 870 express, then i pause......eye my saiga with 30rd rotary mag, then i grab my saiga and save my 870 for taking some deer. a few 30rd rotary mags with a saiga 12, build with russian AK ruggedness in mind, will be hell for zombies. the last thing they see will be a black cloud of 00buck flying at them Post reply 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Sharpie41	6. RE: Standard Hunting Shotgun vs. Tactical Shotgun Jan 28 2012, 2:06 PM EST Do you mean 1 gun with one barrel or multiple barrels? If just one gun, either a pump or semi auto with a 22-24 inch barrel, threaded for chokes, synthetic stock, light for IDing targets, pistol grip stock for comfort (long periods of time, more comfortable to have a pistol grip than a semi pistol grip) if multiple, pretty much what everybody else has said Post reply Do you find this valuable?
oldannyboy37	7. RE: Standard Hunting Shotgun vs. Tactical Shotgun Jan 28 2012, 3:38 PM EST Personally I'd just keep a good Remington 870 with an extended tube and a set of barrels and chokes. I'd keep one 18 and a half inch barrel and one 28 inch barrel. I'd probably slap a flashlight on the tube as well. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
John_234	8. RE: Standard Hunting Shotgun vs. Tactical Shotgun Jan 28 2012, 3:53 PM EST "in this scenario i imagine myself running to my gun cabinet and reaching for my 870 express, then i pause......eye my saiga with 30rd rotary mag, then i grab my saiga and save my 870 for taking some deer. a few 30rd rotary mags with a saiga 12, build with russian AK ruggedness in mind, will be hell for zombies. the last thing they see will be a black cloud of 00buck flying at them" Rotary mag? That's unusual. Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
cas13f	9. RE: Standard Hunting Shotgun vs. Tactical Shotgun Jan 28 2012, 4:02 PM EST A longer barrel has less effect on the accuracy of a shotgun than the accuracy of a rifle. Actually, with all of the powder completely burning in 16" to 20" depending on load, what long barrels REALLY do is increase your sight length, move the balance forwards, and change the "swing mechanics". With interchangeable chokes, you're just as fine for anything with an 18.5" barrel as you are with a 28" barrel, except the 18.5 is much easier to tote and swing around and more maneuverable indoors. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
TreeLegs	10. RE: Standard Hunting Shotgun vs. Tactical Shotgun Jan 28 2012, 4:57 PM EST "I've always been a woodstock fan, I like to poetry of the wood grain stocks. So plastic stocks never thrilled me much. Also all the tactical crap they hang onto arms... lazers, flashlights,tactical cappicino machines...just more weight that is of marginal use in my opinion..." I do love a wood stock too, but I'd recommend adding some sort of gripping surface on it. Let's say you were dressing your kill and have blood all over your hands and Zeds pop up. Blood is REAL slick and could cause your hand to slip at a bad time. For starters I'm NOT getting into the 20 vs 12 debate again lol. My ideal rig would be a Remington 870 with a Surefire front and a solid synthetic stock with the shell holder inside(forget the brand name). A flashlight is really the only tactical thing you need on a shotgun. I want the stock barrel to be 18.5 inches and I'd buy a longer barrel for hunting. Would probably stay away from rifled barrels as the rifling will throw the shot shells into a wider pattern. Never had a problem with a bead so I'll probably just stick with that. I know I guy that swears by an adjustable choke and it seems worth checking out so I don't have to worry about changing them out and possibly damage the threads on the barrel. Really love the tactical cappuccino machine remark. Feel that way when I see 2000 dollars attached to an M4 lol. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
fjet	11. RE: Standard Hunting Shotgun vs. Tactical Shotgun Jan 28 2012, 8:47 PM EST I would prefer a tactical shotgun. An 870 with a vertical grip for easier pumping as well as a tac flashlight(preferably something long lasting that uses batteries) However if given the choice between a shotgun and a ar15...I would chose the AR. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
JunkCollector	12. RE: Standard Hunting Shotgun vs. Tactical Shotgun Jan 28 2012, 9:29 PM EST I would prefer the tactical, because the extended shell tube. I would however carry a longer barrel for birds and small game. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
womule2005	13. RE: Standard Hunting Shotgun vs. Tactical Shotgun Jan 28 2012, 11:27 PM EST "Rotary mag? That's unusual." http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=31891/Product/SAIGA-SHOTGUN-20-RD-DRUM-MAGAZINE ^ some people call them rotary mags, some call them drums. i dont know if there is any actual difference between the names rotary mags and drum mags, like there is between clips and magazines, or if it is just two different names for the same thing. but rotary mag is what i have always called them. the one in the link is a 20 round mag, i have two 30 round mags. i have seen websites that sell up to 100 round mags but im a little cautious to spend that kind of money on a aftermarket mag that is unproven to me. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
womule2005	14. RE: Standard Hunting Shotgun vs. Tactical Shotgun Jan 28 2012, 11:33 PM EST another way of looking at it is what are you needing this shotgun for? are you using it for general survival needs, or do you need to fight off countless zombies? if you are a guy like TR and will probably spend most of his survival experience living off the land and a little livestock, a standard sporting shotgun will do just fine. but when it comes to mass numbers of targets, you need a semi auto shotgun for faster shooting. also the reason i picked the saiga is because of the external mags. you can reload you gun much faster that way than actually having to drop your shotgun reach into your pocket and put 5 shells in. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Sharpie41	15. RE: Standard Hunting Shotgun vs. Tactical Shotgun Jan 29 2012, 4:34 AM EST "another way of looking at it is what are you needing this shotgun for? are you using it for general survival needs, or do you need to fight off countless zombies? if you are a guy like TR and will probably spend most of his survival experience living off the land and a little livestock, a standard sporting shotgun will do just fine. but when it comes to mass numbers of targets, you need a semi auto shotgun for faster shooting. also the reason i picked the saiga is because of the external mags. you can reload you gun much faster that way than actually having to drop your shotgun reach into your pocket and put 5 shells in. " Eh, I think people sensationalize Saiga shotguns, "oh I can reload faster" but you're also carrying all the weight of the mags, you need mag pouches, you will still need to reload your mags etc. Hell of a lot faster to "shoot one load one" than blast 30 rounds then sit there loading 30 rounds when your mags run out. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Filadog	16. RE: Standard Hunting Shotgun vs. Tactical Shotgun Jan 29 2012, 5:11 AM EST I have an 870 with 20 in rifle sighted barrel that takes screw in chokes. Has a magazine extension and a side saddle that holds extra shells Now I'm not going to tell you I will shoot doves with it as well as my old Parker double but for most hunting it will perform the same as a general hunting shotgun Other then maybe how the gun handles I don't think you loose any effectiveness over a long barrel gun. In a survival situation hope you won't be worried about shooting flying doves If you are just out to make noise and waste ammo a semi auto can be faster then a pump. When shooting at targets no real advantage If you are interested in Combat Shotgunning you should get into the practice of loading the gun while it is shouldered and after you shoot Post reply Do you find this valuable?
KyanCross	17. RE: Standard Hunting Shotgun vs. Tactical Shotgun Jan 29 2012, 5:46 AM EST "Eh, I think people sensationalize Saiga shotguns, "oh I can reload faster" but you're also carrying all the weight of the mags, you need mag pouches, you will still need to reload your mags etc. Hell of a lot faster to "shoot one load one" than blast 30 rounds then sit there loading 30 rounds when your mags run out." Granted it IS heavy with all the bells and whistles but in my opinion that would be the case with anyone and their primary weapon. Me personally I loved the saiga due to it being built on the AK platform. I dont want to sound like an AK/Saiga fan boy but, I have a saiga 12 with a 20 round drum and 2 12 round mags. I pretty much tapco'd it out replacing all the furniture giving it a pistol grip, collapsable stock, front grip, and a reflex sight. I love it and will say it was a big upgrade from my old mossy pump I had prior to the saiga. Definately a conversation piece when people see me walking up to the range and more so once i start blasting away at my targets on either the target range or tactical training course. Reloading isn't that much of an issue once you get used to it, plus one your drum goes thru the intial "breaking in" period its as easy as just pressing down a round at the top of the mag ( like my AK mags) But I digress, tactical or standard hunting... its all in your weapons training, comfort with your weapon, and the results you can bring to the table. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
SasquatchJim	18. RE: Standard Hunting Shotgun vs. Tactical Shotgun Jan 29 2012, 10:14 AM EST "http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=31891/Product/SAIGA-SHOTGUN-20-RD-DRUM-MAGAZINE ^ some people call them rotary mags, some call them drums. i dont know if there is any actual difference between the names rotary mags and drum mags, like there is between clips and magazines, or if it is just two different names for the same thing. but rotary mag is what i have always called them. the one in the link is a 20 round mag, i have two 30 round mags. i have seen websites that sell up to 100 round mags but im a little cautious to spend that kind of money on a aftermarket mag that is unproven to me." A rotary magazine refers to a magazine of lower capacity than a drum, which is fed via a sprocket. Also, they can be internal, which drums can't. The Savage Model 99 internal mag and the original Ruger 10/22 magazines are rotary magazines. "Drum magazine" refers to a different type. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
SasquatchJim	19. RE: Standard Hunting Shotgun vs. Tactical Shotgun Jan 29 2012, 10:37 AM EST Oh, also, where have you seen 100 rd. drums? The only 100 rd. mags I'm seeing for the Saigas are for the .223s. Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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