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zombie0human156
raising cattle
Jan 30 2012, 12:44 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 30 2012, 12:44 AM EST
I live on a farm and during and after apocalypes they would be worth to keep them alive. but the cattles fencing is made of Dura-Built Economy R-Gate and they are all bolted to railroad ties that are sunk into the ground 3 feet. to make a stock yard. would they be safe in it or would there need to be more to stop the zombies or would the zombies just leave the cattle alone altogather? 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
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Markthegenius
Markthegenius
1. RE: raising cattle
Jan 30 2012, 6:29 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 30 2012, 6:29 AM EST
hey....psssst!......Zombies aren't real....concentrate on keeping them safe from raiders.... 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
Zee-Man
Zee-Man
2. RE: raising cattle
Jan 30 2012, 8:06 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 30 2012, 8:06 AM EST
hey now, zombies are less scary than what might really come.

What are the specs on the R-Gate?
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11ACRBlackhorse
11ACRBlackhorse
3. RE: raising cattle
Jan 30 2012, 9:41 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 30 2012, 9:41 AM EST
R-Gates are strong enough to hold pushing and shoving cows. Especially if bolted to railroad ties. So even if there were zombies they will hold. But we dont know if zombies can climb them or not. A barn style building would be better for noght containment. Then small pastures with armed gaurds for day grazing.

But since zombies are your least problem I would concentrate on keeping them safe from people and wild dog packs. So the money might be better spent on barbed wire fencing and night vision equiptment for predator control. Then the small pasture idea with gaurds and a over look postion for day time duty. Armed with a long range weapon and if possible silenced.

All animals that require grazing will need secure pastures and night time containment areas. And gaurded at all times from the 4legged and 2legged predators.
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Oakspar77777
Oakspar77777
4. RE: raising cattle
Jan 30 2012, 7:13 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 30 2012, 7:13 PM EST
Plan on keeping a watch on your livestock 24/7 to protect them from raiders, refugees, animals, and zombies. You will need a 24 hour watch anyways.

A barn to hold them at night is also a traditional way to keep them safe.
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x-wolfhunter
x-wolfhunter
5. RE: raising cattle
Jan 30 2012, 7:27 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 30 2012, 7:27 PM EST
"hey....psssst!......Zombies aren't real....concentrate on keeping them safe from raiders...."
. . . Dude. Do you realize what you just said?

Don't diss people for discussing zombies on a ZOMBIEMOTHEREFFINGSURVIVAL site. Seriously very much not cool in any way, shape, or form.
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11ACRBlackhorse
11ACRBlackhorse
6. RE: raising cattle
Jan 30 2012, 7:35 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 30 2012, 7:35 PM EST
". . . Dude. Do you realize what you just said?

Don't diss people for discussing zombies on a <I>ZOMBIEMOTHEREFFINGSURVIVAL</I> site. Seriously very much not cool in any way, shape, or form.
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Calm down. Yes its a zombie site but also a survival and defense site too. And which do you bet will happen first or more often.

And this young person seamed really concerned about the least likely threat. If they prepare for SHTF and Zombies come true. His cattle will be protected enough to survive the undead.

And the "zombiemothereffingsurvival" part was real uncool. So get a grip.
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PedroAsani
PedroAsani
7. RE: raising cattle
Jan 30 2012, 8:23 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 30 2012, 8:23 PM EST
"I live on a farm and during and after apocalypes they would be worth to keep them alive. but the cattles fencing is made of Dura-Built Economy R-Gate and they are all bolted to railroad ties that are sunk into the ground 3 feet. to make a stock yard. would they be safe in it or would there need to be more to stop the zombies or would the zombies just leave the cattle alone altogather?"
There is no way of knowing if zombies would go for animals, or just humans. But worst case, then they will.

Will the fencing stop them? Well it would probably stop a single zombie, or a handful. But at some point the mass of zombies can exceed the structural limits of the fence. So work out what that is, and you have a rough idea of how big the swarm would need to be to collapse the fence and get in.
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x-wolfhunter
x-wolfhunter
8. RE: raising cattle
Jan 30 2012, 8:30 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 30 2012, 8:30 PM EST
"Calm down. Yes its a zombie site but also a survival and defense site too. And which do you bet will happen first or more often.

And this young person seamed really concerned about the least likely threat. If they prepare for SHTF and Zombies come true. His cattle will be protected enough to survive the undead.

And the "zombiemothereffingsurvival" part was real uncool. So get a grip."
Don't get started. I'm not going to say anything further, because I don't want to be responsible for the lock of a perfectly good thread. But just . . . Don't start.
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11ACRBlackhorse
11ACRBlackhorse
9. RE: raising cattle
Jan 30 2012, 8:54 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 30 2012, 8:54 PM EST
"There is no way of knowing if zombies would go for animals, or just humans. But worst case, then they will.

Will the fencing stop them? Well it would probably stop a single zombie, or a handful. But at some point the mass of zombies can exceed the structural limits of the fence. So work out what that is, and you have a rough idea of how big the swarm would need to be to collapse the fence and get in."
I can back a pickup to a R-Gate attached to railroad posts and floor it and it wont do squat.
Think 1000-2000 pound cows each, pushing against each other and the fence and it still stands.
So a mob of Zombies will not produce enough combined force to do damage. Even if the back ranks are pushing against all in front. The combined force will crush the front rows of zombies before the fence even growns.
Last time I checked cows weigh just a tad more than us puny people. And zombies wont be an exception.

Wild dog packs, oth animals, and living breathing people will be worse worries than zombies.
But if its a real worry string some bare electrical wires around the pen. But far enough away the cows cant touch them. Then plug it in when the zombies show up. Crispy critters.
Or you can build a real strong barn and lock the cows in at night. It will keep all but the living people from getting to your cows.
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Zee-Man
Zee-Man
10. RE: raising cattle
Jan 30 2012, 9:15 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 30 2012, 9:16 PM EST
Whenever the topic of fences and zombies comes up I think of this disaster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_SmM9KuhIQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q47bOtV3-Y&feature=related


While such a disaster is deplorable it certainly shows the strengths and weaknesses of fences when it comes to a mass of humans.

What is amazing is how many times such horde activity has been repeated

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001453.html

I speculate that a fence would have to exceed 8 feet high to stop zombies (or other un-mounted humans). It would appear that these fence foundations are sufficient to withstand however many humans can get their weight on them.
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zombie0human156
11. RE: raising cattle
Jan 30 2012, 9:40 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 30 2012, 9:40 PM EST
there is a barn on one end of the cow yard but it is a older barn it has stood for a hundred years but it has been tinned and the base was rebiuld this last year. Do you find this valuable?    
JunkCollector
JunkCollector
12. RE: raising cattle
Jan 30 2012, 10:56 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 30 2012, 10:56 PM EST
Here betsy betsey you want to come home with me for a skinning and dinner.

OH crap its the farmer, I guess I only have time to take the three I already have in the trailer.
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11ACRBlackhorse
11ACRBlackhorse
13. RE: raising cattle
Feb 2 2012, 8:44 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 2 2012, 8:44 AM EST
"there is a barn on one end of the cow yard but it is a older barn it has stood for a hundred years but it has been tinned and the base was rebiuld this last year."
If it hasn't fallen by now, and is sound, it should hold the cows and keep all but living people out. Even Zombies no matter the number. That is unless they can think and work latches and such.
But you should always have gaurd(s) watching over your livestock during and after a SHTF anyways.
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11ACRBlackhorse
11ACRBlackhorse
14. RE: raising cattle
Feb 2 2012, 8:49 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 2 2012, 8:49 AM EST
"Here betsy betsey you want to come home with me for a skinning and dinner.

OH crap its the farmer, I guess I only have time to take the three I already have in the trailer. "
That is funny but not.

We have had cows stolen and held some theives (if not the same guys) at gun point till the law drug their sorry butts away.

People have been known to get shot for that, and just not in the old west either.
So if hamburger/steak on the hoof is worth your life, then try your luck. But you are stealing someones income or food, and people kill for less.

I'm not saying, but I'm saying. :)
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zombie0human156
15. RE: raising cattle
Feb 2 2012, 11:32 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 2 2012, 11:32 AM EST
not long ago someone got shot for trying to steal a cow three townships away Do you find this valuable?    
11ACRBlackhorse
11ACRBlackhorse
16. RE: raising cattle
Feb 3 2012, 11:10 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 3 2012, 11:10 AM EST
"not long ago someone got shot for trying to steal a cow three townships away"
My point exactly. And especially after SHTF, people wont take kindly to cattle rustling. Just might go wild west on you and put you up the nearest tree as a friendly warning to others.
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zhunterd
zhunterd
17. RE: raising cattle
Feb 3 2012, 11:19 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 3 2012, 11:19 AM EST
Here in Texas, one will get shot for rustling (that is still what it is called here). Anyone trying to steal cattle from one of the big ranches here, risks getting a bullet. Do you find this valuable?    
11ACRBlackhorse
11ACRBlackhorse
18. RE: raising cattle
Feb 3 2012, 11:29 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 3 2012, 11:29 AM EST
"Here in Texas, one will get shot for rustling (that is still what it is called here). Anyone trying to steal cattle from one of the big ranches here, risks getting a bullet."
Yep them Texans take pride in their cattle.
Be it large, small, ranch, farm, or even feed lot. They all will shoot first and bury you later. lol
Got to love them Southern Folks. They got their priorities about right by my book. lol
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zombie0human156
19. RE: raising cattle
Feb 3 2012, 12:30 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 3 2012, 12:30 PM EST
It was in Minnesota. Do you find this valuable?    
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