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Marsden
Marsden
LECTURE: Establishing Law and Order in a Post Apocalyptic World
Feb 1 2012, 11:49 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 4 2012, 5:51 PM EST
The link is now up: http://tinychat.com/1d6ef




UPDATE: The time of the lecture is:
11pm GMT Saturday 4th
12 midnight CET Saturday 4th
3pm PST Saturday 4th
6pm EST Saturday 4th




On Saturday 4th February I will be delivering a lecture via Tinychat on establishing a legal system, its corresponding institutions and the manpower required to run such an operation.

The lecture will be some time in the late evening EST and should last 15-30 minutes with time for questions. Everyone is welcome.

Any questions as to what will be discussed can be submitted in this thread.
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brandon_a_boyer
brandon_a_boyer
1. RE: LECTUEstablishing Law and Order in a Post Apocalyptic World
Feb 1 2012, 11:58 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 1 2012, 11:58 PM EST
I'm not criticizing marsden, simply curious. What qualifies you to deliver such a lecture? I only ask because I don't know much about you. Do you find this valuable?    
Marsden
Marsden
2. RE: LECTUEstablishing Law and Order in a Post Apocalyptic World
Feb 2 2012, 12:37 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 2 2012, 12:38 AM EST
"I'm not criticizing marsden, simply curious. What qualifies you to deliver such a lecture? I only ask because I don't know much about you."
Not at all, you're perfectly in your right to question me.

I've just completed the first part of my university degree in the following areas:
-Sources and Institutions of Law
-Property Law
-Dispersion of power in liberal democracy.

Whilst I have not finished my degree I have been educated as far as I ever will be in these areas. There are other areas of my degree I will not touch yet as I haven't finished them. I'm only working with areas I have passed my examinations in.

The lecture is not a definitive source on this subject either. At the end of 15 minutes I am encouraging other users to criticize it, present alternative ideas and raise questions.

The reason I chose to use a lecture as opposed to a thread or a page as it is much more interactive, generates livelier debates and will hopefully expand the wiki into an area few other zombie sites have gone before.

EDIT: Typo
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White76Knight
White76Knight
3. RE: LECTUEstablishing Law and Order in a Post Apocalyptic World
Feb 2 2012, 12:53 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 2 2012, 12:53 AM EST
I have only two questions:

What is this Tinychat of which you speak? And how does one access it?
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Marsden
Marsden
4. RE: LECTUEstablishing Law and Order in a Post Apocalyptic World
Feb 2 2012, 12:56 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 2 2012, 12:56 AM EST
"I have only two questions:

What is this Tinychat of which you speak? And how does one access it?"
http://tinychat.com/

It can be accessed at the above link.

Tinychat is a website which allows you to instantaneously create private group chat rooms.
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White76Knight
White76Knight
5. RE: LECTUEstablishing Law and Order in a Post Apocalyptic World
Feb 2 2012, 1:05 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 2 2012, 1:05 AM EST
"http://tinychat.com/

It can be accessed at the above link.

Tinychat is a website which allows you to instantaneously create private group chat rooms."
And how would one find or access your particular chat once you had started it?
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Marsden
Marsden
6. RE: LECTUEstablishing Law and Order in a Post Apocalyptic World
Feb 2 2012, 1:08 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 2 2012, 1:08 AM EST
A link will be posted on this thread and on the IRC 30 minute prior to it beginning. Do you find this valuable?    
White76Knight
White76Knight
7. RE: LECTUEstablishing Law and Order in a Post Apocalyptic World
Feb 2 2012, 3:02 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 2 2012, 3:02 AM EST
"A link will be posted on this thread and on the IRC 30 minute prior to it beginning."
Cool thanks
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IrishHitman
IrishHitman
8. RE: LECTUEstablishing Law and Order in a Post Apocalyptic World
Feb 2 2012, 5:19 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 2 2012, 5:19 AM EST
"I'm not criticizing marsden, simply curious. What qualifies you to deliver such a lecture? I only ask because I don't know much about you."
I've studied constitutional law in both Ireland and France, as well as various other law subjects.

If he gets something wrong, I wouldn't worry too much, 'cause I'll call him on it :P
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Marsden
Marsden
9. RE: LECTURE: Establishing Law and Order in a Post Apocalyptic World
Feb 2 2012, 7:55 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 2 2012, 7:55 AM EST
"I've studied constitutional law in both Ireland and France, as well as various other law subjects.

If he gets something wrong, I wouldn't worry too much, 'cause I'll call him on it :P"
You're civil law then, law from statutes etc.

I'm about 25% civil law and 75% common law. Scotland has a peculiar mixed legal system.

Choosing whether to adopt a common law or civil law system in your post-apocalyptic government will be a significant area I intend to discuss.
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Zee-Man
Zee-Man
10. RE: LECTUEstablishing Law and Order in a Post Apocalyptic World
Feb 2 2012, 8:00 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 3 2012, 10:32 PM EST
"The reason I chose to use a lecture as opposed to a thread or a page as it is much more interactive, generates livelier debates and will hopefully expand the wiki into an area few other zombie sites have gone before.
"
Excellent! Not only would I find a short lecture like this be interesting, but the discourse afterward is sure to be enlightening. Expanding the scope of the wiki is just as excellent, I almost find that the better aspect.

I'll be there if time of day is good.

Edit: spelling and grammar
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IrishHitman
IrishHitman
11. RE: LECTURE: Establishing Law and Order in a Post Apocalyptic World
Feb 2 2012, 8:24 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 2 2012, 8:24 AM EST
"You're civil law then, law from statutes etc.

I'm about 25% civil law and 75% common law. Scotland has a peculiar mixed legal system.

Choosing whether to adopt a common law or civil law system in your post-apocalyptic government will be a significant area I intend to discuss."
Ireland has a common law system, a parliamentary system, and no codification of law.

France has a civil law system, a "rationalised parliamentary" system which is effectively presidential, and fully codified law.

But you're essentially right, I am an advocate of the later over the former to a great extent.
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IrishHitman
IrishHitman
12. RE: LECTURE: Establishing Law and Order in a Post Apocalyptic World
Feb 2 2012, 8:32 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 2 2012, 8:32 AM EST
Here's our "Government in an Undead World" page that I wrote last year:
http://www.zombiesurvivalwiki.com/page/Government+in+an+Undead+World
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Marsden
Marsden
13. RE: LECTURE: Establishing Law and Order in a Post Apocalyptic World
Feb 2 2012, 8:35 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 2 2012, 8:35 AM EST
"Ireland has a common law system, a parliamentary system, and no codification of law.

France has a civil law system, a "rationalised parliamentary" system which is effectively presidential, and fully codified law.

But you're essentially right, I am an advocate of the later over the former to a great extent."
Excellent, so we both have experience of both systems.

This will only make up a part of the presentation though, so I don't want to get too bogged down on it. You could do a whole presentation on that topic alone. Perhaps if people are enjoying the debate/question time at the end it could be extended or brought onto the forums here.

Hopefully we'll get a debate going between us, although given that I also like the civil system I doubt we'll be disagreeing much.
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Marsden
Marsden
14. RE: LECTURE: Establishing Law and Order in a Post Apocalyptic World
Feb 2 2012, 8:36 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 2 2012, 8:36 AM EST
"Here's our "Government in an Undead World" page that I wrote last year:
http://www.zombiesurvivalwiki.com/page/Government+in+an+Undead+World"
Excellent, do you mind if I reference to it during the lecture?
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IrishHitman
IrishHitman
15. RE: LECTURE: Establishing Law and Order in a Post Apocalyptic World
Feb 2 2012, 8:43 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 2 2012, 8:43 AM EST
^ No problem.

I won't be saying much if I'm there at all, I might be pre-booked, as it were.
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Marsden
Marsden
16. RE: LECTURE: Establishing Law and Order in a Post Apocalyptic World
Feb 2 2012, 8:45 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 2 2012, 8:45 AM EST
No problem, I'll try to make it accessible for all. Do you find this valuable?    
Marsden
Marsden
17. RE: LECTURE: Establishing Law and Order in a Post Apocalyptic World
Feb 2 2012, 1:38 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 2 2012, 1:38 PM EST
There is now an accompanying powerpoint which I shall put up on the tinychat alongside the lecture.

I'll make this available for download too.
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StrykerPez
StrykerPez
18. RE: LECTURE: Establishing Law and Order in a Post Apocalyptic World
Feb 2 2012, 2:22 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 2 2012, 2:22 PM EST
If I am awake I will contribute my knowledge of the American legal and political system. It's not part of my major, but I've taken plenty of business and personal law and American political science courses.

Did you know America's common law is derived from England? That was a surprise, to find that the founding fathers kept much of the law of the country they were rebelling against.
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brandon_a_boyer
brandon_a_boyer
19. RE: LECTURE: Establishing Law and Order in a Post Apocalyptic World
Feb 2 2012, 3:16 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 2 2012, 3:16 PM EST
"If I am awake I will contribute my knowledge of the American legal and political system. It's not part of my major, but I've taken plenty of business and personal law and American political science courses.

Did you know America's common law is derived from England? That was a surprise, to find that the founding fathers kept much of the law of the country they were rebelling against. "
How it is so surprising? If you look at the Magna Carta, quite a bit of it makes sense. Most of the political thinkers of the time came from England and France, so it makes sense that they would incorporate these ideas into a new country's legal system.

The real Irony is that after we fought a war due to taxation, we immediately levied a tax on the production of whiskey.
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