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zhunterd |
Modern militairies using Mosin Nagants?
Feb 3 2012, 12:49 AM EST
A friend of mine just back from Afghanistan told me that some of the Afghan military are being issued Mosin Nagants as their service/battle rifle. (Mostly Honor guards(91/30), base security personnel(91/30), and the sniper teams are getting sniper versions of Mosin Nagants(in original condition from the Russian arsenals). Anyone know of any other modern militaries that are using Mosin Nagants. Do you find this valuable?
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toxic_shock |
1. RE: Modern militairies using Mosin Nagants?
Feb 3 2012, 12:57 AM EST
I get the honor guard and base security, I guess, but sniper teams? Either they are strapped for cash or the world really hasn't had a decent advancement in distance shooting since...um world war 2.
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zhunterd |
2. RE: Modern militairies using Mosin Nagants?
Feb 3 2012, 1:13 AM EST
I have seen pics of russian spetznaz using mosin nagant sniper versions in chechnya up until 2004, and pics of afghans, on both sides, using all types of mosin nagants up until 2008.
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toxic_shock |
3. RE: Modern militairies using Mosin Nagants?
Feb 3 2012, 1:58 AM EST
I'm not calling you a liar, I just want to know why. I like mosins as much as the next guy, but they are not the most ergonomic nor accurate rifles out there. I can see why a terror group or a rebel uprising may use them, but why a proper military?
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chitoryu12 |
4. RE: Modern militairies using Mosin Nagants?
Feb 3 2012, 2:58 AM EST
Finland still has some old Mosin receivers as the building blocks of sniper rifles. They can get some wicked accuracy if you work on them, especially at standard combat ranges.
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TreeLegs |
5. RE: Modern militairies using Mosin Nagants?
Feb 3 2012, 3:58 AM EST
"I'm not calling you a liar, I just want to know why. I like mosins as much as the next guy, but they are not the most ergonomic nor accurate rifles out there. I can see why a terror group or a rebel uprising may use them, but why a proper military?"Calling the Afgan military proper is a bit of a stretch don't you think lol? Do you find this valuable? |
Sharpie41 |
6. RE: Modern militairies using Mosin Nagants?
Feb 3 2012, 9:39 AM EST
"Calling the Afgan military proper is a bit of a stretch don't you think lol?"I've got a friend over there who's training the ANA, they are much better than they were before Do you find this valuable? |
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zhunterd |
7. RE: Modern militairies using Mosin Nagants?
Feb 3 2012, 10:55 AM EST
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"I'm not calling you a liar, I just want to know why. I like mosins as much as the next guy, but they are not the most ergonomic nor accurate rifles out there. I can see why a terror group or a rebel uprising may use them, but why a proper military?"They are probably using them because of low cost, and the proven reliability. I have seen some Mosins sniper rifles that have been made to be fairly accurate up to 1000 yards. Check one out here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2M1hC4c0tc 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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TreeLegs |
8. RE: Modern militairies using Mosin Nagants?
Feb 3 2012, 1:54 PM EST
"I've got a friend over there who's training the ANA, they are much better than they were before"No disrespect to your friends work or anyone else that spent time out there, but ANA can barely deal with threats outside the capital with any great effect. Do you find this valuable? |
John_234 |
9. RE: Modern militairies using Mosin Nagants?
Feb 3 2012, 3:03 PM EST
"No disrespect to your friends work or anyone else that spent time out there, but ANA can barely deal with threats outside the capital with any great effect. "Then again, they are facing an enemy capable of keeping one of the most powerful militaries of the world and several of its allies at bay, so you can't really judge them that harshy. And it's not like they can do a whole lot without strong logistics, armor support and many things modern militaries take for granted. I hear drug abuse is a huge problem, too. Do you find this valuable? |
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TreeLegs |
10. RE: Modern militairies using Mosin Nagants?
Feb 3 2012, 4:51 PM EST
"Then again, they are facing an enemy capable of keeping one of the most powerful militaries of the world and several of its allies at bay, so you can't really judge them that harshy.Yeah I guess you're right. The situation reminds me of South America. Corruption, drugs, terrain and lack of a stron central government all play a role. Heard they have enough lithium there to become the Saudi Arabia of the metal. Great for batteries so they're trying to get people out of the drug fields and into the mines to help fund rebuilding the country. Do you find this valuable? |
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chitoryu12 |
11. RE: Modern militairies using Mosin Nagants?
Feb 3 2012, 5:04 PM EST
Keeping on track with the thread, a Mosin that's properly worked on and cared for will get the accuracy a sniper needs. The weapon itself is powerful, very rugged, and very cheap to acquire before making them up into a dedicated sniper rifle. It's not like they're buying up TEC-9s to make into submachine guns for their special forces; even a standard arsenal refinished Mosin is a fine weapon with just iron sights.
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TreeLegs |
12. RE: Modern militairies using Mosin Nagants?
Feb 3 2012, 6:12 PM EST
"Keeping on track with the thread, a Mosin that's properly worked on and cared for will get the accuracy a sniper needs. The weapon itself is powerful, very rugged, and very cheap to acquire before making them up into a dedicated sniper rifle. It's not like they're buying up TEC-9s to make into submachine guns for their special forces; even a standard arsenal refinished Mosin is a fine weapon with just iron sights."Yeah thanks C12. Got a little side tracked. The Mosin would do well enough I think. It's got the power and range that more modern standard issues for that side of the planet don't have. I just hope they're not trying to clear rooms with one. That would be a little awkward to do. Do you find this valuable? |
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chitoryu12 |
13. RE: Modern militairies using Mosin Nagants?
Feb 4 2012, 3:22 AM EST
"Yeah thanks C12. Got a little side tracked.Yeah, they're just being used for snipers. AKs are cheap and plentiful enough that you can afford to arm a nation with one. Do you find this valuable? |
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John_234 |
14. RE: Modern militairies using Mosin Nagants?
Feb 4 2012, 5:59 AM EST
I think it's really out of necessity than the Mosin being a perfect rifle or anything. They need a rifle more precise than the autoloading SVD which shares ammo with it, the PK series machine guns and so forth.It's going to be easier to dig up Mosins and tweak them for marksmanship use, rather than build entirely new rifles in 7.62x54r, considering the rather strained Russian economy and inconsistent military budget. Do you find this valuable? |
JPTank |
15. RE: Modern militairies using Mosin Nagants?
Feb 4 2012, 5:25 PM EST
"I'm not calling you a liar, I just want to know why. I like mosins as much as the next guy, but they are not the most ergonomic nor accurate rifles out there. I can see why a terror group or a rebel uprising may use them, but why a proper military?"Cheaper to manufacture and import older types of rifles - effectively putting more boots on the ground. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
