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Zee-Man
Zee-Man
Geo Caches - Last Ditch Survival
Feb 3 2012, 4:05 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 6 2012, 7:56 AM EST
While perusing the AnalyticalSurvival channel on YouTube I got exposed to the idea of Geo Chaches. In a nutshell, a geo cache is a small supply that is buried at a precise location for later retrieval. These are placed so that if all else fails; one has to abandon the UEV, the supplies have to be ditched, the BOB gets stolen, etc.; then there is some help available.

http://www.youtube.com/user/AnalyticalSurvival#p/u/1/zBICZx0u2WU

I am attempting to design a geo-cache model. The concept is to use a 1 liter soda bottle and to keep the contents as inexpensive as possible. It should be sufficient supplies to get to the next cache and so on until reaching the BOL.

So far I have
Water
  • 5 -Water Pure tablets
  • handkerchief
  • 6' x 6' Plastic sheet
Fire
  • Disposable BIC
  • Waterproofed matches
  • Ferrocerrium rod
Shelter
  • 4 ea. - 50gal trash bag
  • 20 ft - 2.75 Kernmantle Cord
  • 1 - survival blanket
Food
  • 10 -Bouillon cubes
  • 2 - snelled fish hook
  • 20 ft - snare wire
  • 20 ft - 30lb Dacron leader line
Misc
  • 1 - Pen Knife
  • 1 - 1 gal ziplock bag: multi function but chiefly to carry the supplies in once the bottle is opened.

Is this enough? Should there be other items? Please remember things have to fit through a narrow neck.

L
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Keyword tags: BOB Bug Out Cache EDC Geo Geochache
Sharpie41
Sharpie41
1. RE: Geo Caches - Last Ditch Survival
Feb 3 2012, 5:56 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 3 2012, 5:56 PM EST
Thats a cache, not a geocache, geocache is a sport. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
Zee-Man
Zee-Man
2. RE: Geo Caches - Last Ditch Survival
Feb 3 2012, 6:08 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 3 2012, 6:08 PM EST
They will be buried in earth

hence Geo
perhaps Terra?
or Dirt?
or Buried Treasure?

Maybe they will give me a Sporting chance of getting to my BOL.

I think they might just give an adequate edge. But I think it might be too slight. Thanks for your thoughtful input though.
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TreeLegs
TreeLegs
3. RE: Geo Caches - Last Ditch Survival
Feb 3 2012, 6:29 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 3 2012, 6:29 PM EST
"They will be buried in earth

hence Geo
perhaps Terra?
or Dirt?
or Buried Treasure?

Maybe they will give me a Sporting chance of getting to my BOL.

I think they might just give an adequate edge. But I think it might be too slight. Thanks for your thoughtful input though.
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I like dirt bag, DB for short. If you have to use one it probably involved one you know?

Bad jokes aside, don't forget PVC pipes. You can get one big enough with a screw cap on the end, strip a cheap gun(wouldn't be a bad idea for a backup Mosin)or recurve/longbow in one. A .22 would fit easily into one. This way you can maybe load up and get your original equipment back. You can even make a sling fo the pipe out of 550 cord and use it as a hard travel case.
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Zee-Man
Zee-Man
4. RE: Geo Caches - Last Ditch Survival
Feb 3 2012, 8:56 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 3 2012, 9:17 PM EST
This is a good idea for a container. I may even adopt it. It does address the issue of container destruction admirably. For a larger dirt bag it is surely a great way to go. I will investigate the cost factor, since this idea shows merit.

What I'm looking for though, is minimalism. Is the list of contents too minimal? I know that pro's can make out with just a blade, but Im looking for an edge that will afford the time to move on rather than spend time on acquiring necessities.

These terra caches are intended to be cheap since there will be many of them. Ideally they will be spaced a few hours walking distance apart.

Edit: Already did the cost investigation (prices rounded):
  • 10 ft of 4" ID DWV PVC pipe - $24
  • 30 pressure fit end caps - $30
  • 8 oz primer and cement handy pack - $7.50
  • 9 oz silicone caulk $8
Total is $69.5 for 15 treasure tubes of 8" length with one permanently sealed end and one waterproofed openable end. $4.63 each. This is a reasonable cost. Not as good as free. Maybe some dumpster diving is in order..


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StrykerPez
StrykerPez
5. RE: Geo Caches - Last Ditch Survival
Feb 3 2012, 9:38 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 3 2012, 9:38 PM EST
Look up weld rod containers. Do you find this valuable?    
Zee-Man
Zee-Man
6. RE: Geo Caches - Last Ditch Survival
Feb 3 2012, 9:58 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 3 2012, 9:58 PM EST
"Look up weld rod containers. "
Excellent Styker!

http://tinyurl.com/7mddcgp

12 to 14 " long at $8.50 A little bit spendy, but a very reasonable cost for the quality. These would provide a no effort solution at a cost that is low enough to bury a treasure cache every week. I was hoping to bury 10 to 20 all at once though. .
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TreeLegs
TreeLegs
7. RE: Geo Caches - Last Ditch Survival
Feb 3 2012, 10:00 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 3 2012, 10:00 PM EST
Well if you go with treasure tubes for your DB, you can place larger items that may give you more of an edge. I agree with being as minimal as possible, but I'd rather be prepared. Most of your items seem good enough. I'd add maybe a shelter half to your shelter mix, a magnesium block to the fire, honey to the food(honey never spoils), maybe some liquid bleach and a collapsible water bottle to the water. Not including some sort of weapon(gun, bow, blowgun, etc...).

Your load out ain't bad. I just like to have back ups.

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zombie0human156
8. RE: Geo Caches - Last Ditch Survival
Feb 3 2012, 10:12 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 3 2012, 10:15 PM EST
you could get a old milk can and paint the outside with truck bed liner then seal the lip of the can It would give you more space to store more Items. Do you find this valuable?    
renet76
renet76
9. RE: Geo Caches - Last Ditch Survival
Feb 5 2012, 6:52 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 5 2012, 6:54 AM EST
@ Zee-man

I did a thread similar to this a while ago it might be worth a read for you while i don't male any suggestions on what to store as every one has different needs

http://www.zombiesurvivalwiki.com/thread/4736268/Hidden+supply+cache+for+back+up
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x-wolfhunter
x-wolfhunter
10. RE: Geo Caches - Last Ditch Survival
Feb 5 2012, 8:09 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 5 2012, 8:09 AM EST
Hmm . . . These caches are a good idea, but at the same time a bad one.

You've made it to your B.O.L and things are going good. Then your supplies run low (Lost a fishing pole, gun broke, knife shattered, etc.) and you realize that you have a dozen bottles filled with supplies and a dozen guns and lots of ammo right outside your door.

But you have to go out there to get them.

That's just tortuous. It's a bad idea to go out there just to find a few useful supplies, but what else can you do?


I would implement a system where you actually collect the supplies as you go along. Maybe your B.O.B would just be extremely bare? That way you wouldn't be leaving valuable supplies out there to just rust and rot to oblivion.

Any way you look at it, you need a way to get the supplies to your B.O.L, even if you don't need them to complete your journey. It'd just be a waste not to, and wastes are decidedly "killer" in a post-apocalyptic world.

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TreeLegs
TreeLegs
11. RE: Geo Caches - Last Ditch Survival
Feb 5 2012, 10:27 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 5 2012, 10:27 AM EST
"Hmm . . . These caches are a good idea, but at the same time a bad one.

You've made it to your B.O.L and things are going good. Then your supplies run low (Lost a fishing pole, gun broke, knife shattered, etc.) and you realize that you have a dozen bottles filled with supplies and a dozen guns and lots of ammo right outside your door.

But you have to go <i>out there</i> to get them.

That's just tortuous. It's a bad idea to go out there just to find a few useful supplies, but what else can you do?


I would implement a system where you actually collect the supplies as you go along. Maybe your B.O.B would just be extremely bare? That way you wouldn't be leaving valuable supplies out there to just rust and rot to oblivion.

Any way you look at it, you need a way to get the supplies to your B.O.L, even if you don't need them to complete your journey. It'd just be a waste not to, and wastes are decidedly "killer" in a post-apocalyptic world.

"
I understand what you're saying X, but I don't believe it to be a bad idea. Let's say that you prepare your route to get to your BOL. Something goes wrong(gas tanker blew up, bridge knocked out, etc...) Now you have to take a secondary route which is going to put you a couple of days behind. You set up a DB along the secondary route. Now you have extra supplies to work with.

When it comes to you BOL, burying most of your stuff could protect it from looters if they get to your BOL before you do. They arent going to stand around digging up your back yard.

It would be dangerous to go back outside. You are however, going to have to go at some point.
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Oakspar77777
Oakspar77777
12. RE: Geo Caches - Last Ditch Survival
Feb 5 2012, 11:04 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 5 2012, 11:04 AM EST
I think I see a reasonable goal in here somewhere.

True, you can go all out and hide an armory in your back 40 so the gubberment can't take all your guns when the pinko socialist take over.

For a lot of people, however, their BOL is not near their home. This kind of dirtbag cachin' could be ideal.

2 liter bottles are free in many people's consumption habits, and with a post-hole digger and sand you could bury them quickly and efficiently.

Dig the hole just past bottle deep, put it in there cap up, fill the hole with sand, attach a string to the neck, fill it up the the surface, and cover with leaves, mulch, or other cover. The sand and string mean that you just have to remove the covering, pull the string, and the bottle will come right out. Avoid areas with grass or covering with clay - you want a tool free extraction.

Rather than survival supplies that should be in your BOB (or your pocket) every day of the year, put in supplies that you will need on the trek to your BOL.

Clean chlorinated water could be stored every few miles along your route saving you from having to carry much portable water and would stay there for decades.

Stable foods, fire making supplies, plastic sheets, rope, etc could be stored are likely camping spots. At these spots you might want more that just the 2-liter storage - but it would work with them.

Choosing spots unlikely to be developed with clear, lasting cues to the location would be challenging, and there is some mild trespassing involved.

I know if I have a 50 mile bug-out, however, I would not be willing to trust the roads to be clear. Having a foot route I could pick up if needed and use all the way there would be invaluable, and having sweet water, food, and light supply along the way would reduce packload and increase rate of travel.
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TreeLegs
TreeLegs
13. RE: Geo Caches - Last Ditch Survival
Feb 5 2012, 2:17 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 5 2012, 2:17 PM EST
"I think I see a reasonable goal in here somewhere.

True, you can go all out and hide an armory in your back 40 so the gubberment can't take all your guns when the pinko socialist take over.

For a lot of people, however, their BOL is not near their home. This kind of dirtbag cachin' could be ideal.

2 liter bottles are free in many people's consumption habits, and with a post-hole digger and sand you could bury them quickly and efficiently.

Dig the hole just past bottle deep, put it in there cap up, fill the hole with sand, attach a string to the neck, fill it up the the surface, and cover with leaves, mulch, or other cover. The sand and string mean that you just have to remove the covering, pull the string, and the bottle will come right out. Avoid areas with grass or covering with clay - you want a tool free extraction.

Rather than survival supplies that should be in your BOB (or your pocket) every day of the year, put in supplies that you will need on the trek to your BOL.

Clean chlorinated water could be stored every few miles along your route saving you from having to carry much portable water and would stay there for decades.

Stable foods, fire making supplies, plastic sheets, rope, etc could be stored are likely camping spots. At these spots you might want more that just the 2-liter storage - but it would work with them.

Choosing spots unlikely to be developed with clear, lasting cues to the location would be challenging, and there is some mild trespassing involved.
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A couple of ideas I had was staging DB's near major power lines, railways, friends yards, hunting locations. Was also thinking that they don't neccisaraly need to be buried, just hidden well, like in the trunk of an old car or something. My BOL has a few cars that don't get used, so stashing things in the trunk should be safe.
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Zee-Man
Zee-Man
14. RE: Geo Caches - Last Ditch Survival
Feb 5 2012, 3:32 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 5 2012, 3:32 PM EST
"I think I see a reasonable goal in here somewhere."
View the YouTube from Analytical Survival in the OP. It is very enlightening. His are more involved than what I have in mind. The Treasure Tube idea is more appropriate for the scale that AS suggests. Part of my efforts today is mapping my escape routes.
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redcomrad
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15. RE: Geo Caches - Last Ditch Survival
Feb 6 2012, 4:06 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 6 2012, 4:06 AM EST
But how are you going to find them though? That's the problem, might i sagest a simple idea? OK, here it is you could make a map if you wished but the problem with maps is that if you lose it in any way your screwed, and if the enemy captures it then your even more screwed. So a good idea would be to make a map, but cut it up into puzzle pieces and distribute it to very trustworthy people. This makes it so that if the enemy gets one of your guys all he has is a piece of a map not the whole map. Do you find this valuable?    
Zee-Man
Zee-Man
16. RE: Geo Caches - Last Ditch Survival
Feb 6 2012, 8:17 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 6 2012, 8:17 AM EST
"Clean chlorinated water could be stored every few miles along your route saving you from having to carry much portable water and would stay there for decades. ....
Choosing spots unlikely to be developed with clear, lasting cues to the location would be challenging, and there is some mild trespassing involved. "
Excellent with the water idea. I'm going to incorporate that. Why wouldn't I think of using a bottle as a bottle?

For the most part, I think I will be caching the Dirt Bags at the base of telephone poles.
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zombie0human156
17. RE: Geo Caches - Last Ditch Survival
Feb 6 2012, 11:13 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 6 2012, 11:13 AM EST
"But how are you going to find them though? That's the problem, might i sagest a simple idea? OK, here it is you could make a map if you wished but the problem with maps is that if you lose it in any way your screwed, and if the enemy captures it then your even more screwed. So a good idea would be to make a map, but cut it up into puzzle pieces and distribute it to very trustworthy people. This makes it so that if the enemy gets one of your guys all he has is a piece of a map not the whole map."
read the other post they talk about that.
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White76Knight
White76Knight
18. RE: Geo Caches - Last Ditch Survival
Feb 6 2012, 4:10 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 6 2012, 4:12 PM EST
"Is this enough? Should there be other items? Please remember things have to fit through a narrow neck.

L
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Another idea that would be equally free as the soda bottles it 2-3 liter juice bottles. They have about the same capacity, or maybe a little larger in many cases, but the bottle mouth is about double the diameter of that found on a soda bottle.

Another benefit is that fruit juices, especially flavored fruit punches, are often cheaper than brand name sodas, so the empty bottles would be even "free-er". LOL

All you have to do is switch from soda to fruit punch for a few weeks and you're on your way.
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Zee-Man
Zee-Man
19. RE: Geo Caches - Last Ditch Survival
Feb 6 2012, 5:05 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 6 2012, 5:05 PM EST
Point well taken! I have biological reasons for the caffeinated beverages, but I do enjoy juices too. So I'll have to switch from cartons to bottles. This could very nicely solve my knife dilema. Finding a reliable knife to fit through that narrow neck is pretty hard to do. At least while also trying to keep the cost down. $25 x 20 caches could get a nice gun instead.
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