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krackingskulls17 |
No guns, unless you really need them
Feb 3 2012, 4:08 PM EST
What is the point of wasting ammo on a few zombies, use something pliable that you can carry but still be able to krack some skulls. the only time that should be used with a gun is when you are being attacked by a swarm of zombies, but when you run out of ammo, it's good to still have something hard to krack a skull or two. In movies you never really see them run out of bullets, when they do they suddenly find more, cut the crap that doesn't really happen in real life, you aren't just gonna open a shoe box and find 50 rounds of ammo. If you are gonna use a gun i would go with at least a couple handguns, that way it is possible for me to run. alot of people say they want a sniper, seriously what the hell are you gonna do with that when they are five steps away from you, plus it is not that easy to run with a sniper. I mean yeah of course you could stay on a roof top sniping zombies, but you aren't planning to stay there forever are you, seriously, you have to get a move on. But still you should have something that doesn't require a limited supply of ammo, it would be alot easier...
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timberrattler |
1. RE: No guns, unless you really need the
Feb 3 2012, 4:18 PM EST
A "sniper"? O_o I don't believe anyone here has said they are going to be packing Carlos Hancock on thier back. 8 out of 8 found this valuable. Do you? |
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problomatic |
2. RE: No guns, unless you really need them
Feb 3 2012, 4:25 PM EST
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Depends if you're going to try to nomad it or hunker down in a base. If you have your own base you can make your own ammo. And even if you ran out of brass you could still make/use a flintlock and make your own gunpowder and shot. Raid a junkyard for wheel weights for your lead. Just some ideas. Depending on method of infection, I really don't want to get close enough to a zed to hit it or cut it. I'd rather just shoot it from a distance. I don't know about pistols. 1) harder to aim and reflexively shoot. 2) effective range is much less than that of a rifle or carbine. 3) magazine size. Depending on which pistol you choose, you have between 6 and maybe 16 shots. Now if you really want a combo thats light weight, maybe you should look into a a five seven and P90. Shoots the same ammo, P90 has a 50 rnd mag, compact and light weight, with a decent effective range. Sure ammo would be extremely hard to find. And sure you'd probably never find replacement parts. But I think it beats trying to play whack-a-mole with zeds. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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problomatic |
3. RE: No guns, unless you really need the
Feb 3 2012, 4:29 PM EST
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"A "sniper"? O_oIf you threw him over your should would it be considered a should fired weapon? 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
Zee-Man |
4. RE: No guns, unless you really need the
Feb 3 2012, 4:52 PM EST
"A "sniper"? O_oOK, Im saying it! OMG I would def survive if I had Hancock with me. He could hunt as well as kill zombies. Now that Ive said that I am going to type a lot of words and not use any more capital letters and not much punctuation. it is really easy for people to see a run on sentence or worse a run on paragraph and then totally ignore the content. after all why use conventions that help a reader to digest the ideas that are being put forth. it seems counterproductive to have my ideas understood let alone appreciated hence if i leave out these conventions i will have less people even bother to read what i have written. obviously what i write is of little value or i might actually take some time to organize my thoughts and write it out clearly with more than one sentence per idea. i might even use capital letters to indicate where those thoughts start and punctuation to indicate clauses and parenthetical expressions, i wont even complain about poor education since non-english speakers seem capable of doing it. 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
TreeLegs |
5. RE: No guns, unless you really need the
Feb 3 2012, 5:16 PM EST
Always enjoy the humor here and the emphasis on proper english. Feel like crap when my iPhone decides to auto correct me(or not) and leaves my post like I ate the wrong brownies. I'll get back to the point. If you have more skill long range shooting, you should take advantage of that. Same goes with CQB shooting and melee combat. If you have a guy that doesn't know squat about firearms but has swung a hammer or baseball bat for most of his life, let him go all Babe Ruth on the Zeds and you cover him with a firearm. It goes the other way as well. If your melee combat experiance comes from Hollywood and video games, but you can drive tacks with your gun, I say stick with it and use melee as a last resort. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
John_234 |
6. RE: No guns, unless you really need the
Feb 3 2012, 5:28 PM EST
I am bad at close combat, like most people. Distance is my friend, hence the use of a gun. A rifle is nice to have.
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Sharpie41 |
7. RE: No guns, unless you really need the
Feb 3 2012, 5:32 PM EST
When you time an attack wrong and realize you are going to be eaten by a zed, I will wait because "using ammo is wasteful" the take your supplies....I suck at sword play, I am a good shot though, I will do what I'm good at 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
Carnack |
8. RE: No guns, unless you really need the
Feb 3 2012, 8:28 PM EST
The closer you are to a zombie the more your mistakes will cost you.Miss a headshot? Provided you have ammunition you can always take another shot or withdraw. Worst problem would be alerting other Zs close by. Miss a slash with say a machete? You now are in an open position with a Z rightthereinyourface! And if you do nail a hit you may splatter yourself with blood from your enemy risking infection. You only resort to close quarters when you can't run and you only fight to open up an escape route and then you escape. You use your blade or club when your risk of infection is higher if you don't. That's the smart move. In addition hostile humans will be using guns to go after other people so you need a measure to handle that. And finally providing yourself with food is easier with a rifle and box of .22s than without. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
chitoryu12 |
9. RE: No guns, unless you really need the
Feb 4 2012, 3:22 AM EST
Why do people keep coming here thinking that nobody's ever considered this question? The concept of ammunition is hardly some sacred knowledge that will make everyone suddenly look shocked and replace their rifles with machetes.
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thomas13mike |
10. RE: No guns, unless you really need the
Feb 4 2012, 4:13 AM EST
Not sure how good Hathcock is shooting these days considering the fact he's dead LOL But there's plenty of guys that can shoot 1,000yds these days. Hell having been a 19d and was lucky enough to get to go to the sniper school I could do it with some serious practice. But if they're that far away odds are they're not a threat.
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chitoryu12 |
11. RE: No guns, unless you really need the
Feb 4 2012, 4:31 AM EST
"Not sure how good Hathcock is shooting these days considering the fact he's dead LOL But there's plenty of guys that can shoot 1,000yds these days. Hell having been a 19d and was lucky enough to get to go to the sniper school I could do it with some serious practice. But if they're that far away odds are they're not a threat."He's not dead. He's just camouflaged. 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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thomas13mike |
12. RE: No guns, unless you really need the
Feb 4 2012, 5:02 AM EST
"He's not dead. He's just camouflaged."The 6ft deep Ghille suit.... Didn't think of that....Damn 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Sharpie41 |
13. RE: No guns, unless you really need the
Feb 4 2012, 12:40 PM EST
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Rob Furlong lives just north of me!!! Could I carry him in my BOB?
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Oakspar77777 |
14. RE: No guns, unless you really need the
Feb 4 2012, 12:51 PM EST
I know that young people without guns want to survive and they hate feeling like second rate survivalist because they often do not have access to firearms, ammo, real esatate, or buy the groceries to stockpile. Thus, we get comments about the inferiority of guns.That is excusable ignorance and the desire not to feel helpless. Rather than denegrate guns, however, think about what melee would really look like. Just like ammo is always tighter (and SLOWER to reload) than videogames, melee is also not an issue of either swinging until dead (nor 10 minute swordfights). Much like olympic fencing rounds, most melee fights are over in a few seconds. With zed coming at you full speed, you do not have much time to react. Practice your side step. WIth most melee, you will want to sidestep, cripple, and then either run or kill. A blow to the head is only likely to get past the skull when the skull is on the ground. Otherwise, you are just knocking the head over to one side. Crippling with a hamstring cut (edged) or a side of the knee smash (bludgeoning), will slow even a painless zombie enough to get away. If there is only one, it should fall forward (thus, the side step) letting you step on its back and take a "wood splitting" blow to the top-center-back of the skull (where the soft spot would be on a baby's skull). Wash, rinse, repeat. This will also work on living targets whose desire is to tackle you. I 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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timberrattler |
15. RE: No guns, unless you really need the
Feb 4 2012, 1:02 PM EST
You'd have to be in tip top physical condition to last long in a melee confrontation. The adrenaline rush would keep you going for a while but eventually you'd get winded and your arms would turn into noodles.Yes you can run out of ammo but unless you're spending your weekends competeing in iron man competitions you're gonna run outa steam and when you run outa steam and you're tanked your gonna slip up and become a happy meal. When I'm splitting wood with a maul and I start missing the logs I can lean up against my truck and take a break. Can't do that in the middle of a fight. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
JunkCollector |
16. RE: No guns, unless you really need the
Feb 4 2012, 1:29 PM EST
To add my 2 cents, A melee fight is really a bad idea for an obese and crippled up person like myself, I would probably hold my own against one, but it would take everything I have and if a second opponent (zombie, raider, mugger, or wacko job), shows up I don't have the mobility, speed, or stamina to make it through round two or three. I will rely on guns or my bows or black powder guns for defense and hunting. That's why my thought process will be to avoid as many opponents as possible. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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chitoryu12 |
17. RE: No guns, unless you really need the
Feb 4 2012, 4:31 PM EST
If you've gotten to the point where your only method of survival is to fight off half a dozen enemies with a club and it's not possible to escape, you've failed badly somewhere along the line.
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HeldUpInCostco |
18. RE: No guns, unless you really need the
Feb 4 2012, 5:31 PM EST
Guns are your friend.
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TreeLegs |
19. RE: No guns, unless you really need the
Feb 4 2012, 5:44 PM EST
"If you've gotten to the point where your only method of survival is to fight off half a dozen enemies with a club and it's not possible to escape, you've failed badly somewhere along the line."My philosophy exactly lol Do you find this valuable? |
