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fixdeluxe1	GOP candidate race.... Feb 5 2012, 12:35 AM EST Who do you think is going to win? Who do you like the most? Who do you hate & Why? My favorite is Ron Paul,because I like his approach to civil liberty issues and of course foreign policy(coming from a foreigner). Post reply 1 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you? Keyword tags: None
oldannyboy37	1. RE: GOP candidate race.... Feb 5 2012, 1:04 AM EST \| Post edited: Feb 5 2012, 1:04 AM EST This will probably get locked. I don't mind talking politics and like Dr. Paul myself, but these things tend to turn into flame wars. Check out the chat section the IRC and chat it up on there; if someone is down to chat about it just send them a message. It forgoes the flame wars in the forums and you still get to talk about the subject without breaking any rules. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
SasquatchJim	2. RE: GOP candidate race.... Feb 5 2012, 11:42 AM EST ODB's pretty much got it. ANY sort of political thread on the Internet goes south really quick. If y'all can keep it friendly, I'm okay with it. But, the first insult I see, I'm gonna lock it. As ODB said, feel free to discuss it on the IRC. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
fixdeluxe1	3. RE: GOP candidate race.... Feb 5 2012, 7:09 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 5 2012, 7:09 PM EST "ODB's pretty much got it. ANY sort of political thread on the Internet goes south really quick. If y'all can keep it friendly, I'm okay with it. But, the first insult I see, I'm gonna lock it. As ODB said, feel free to discuss it on the IRC." What IRC channel are you on? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
oldannyboy37	4. RE: GOP candidate race.... Feb 5 2012, 8:24 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 5 2012, 8:24 PM EST "What IRC channel are you on?" Try this out here. It's the site's IRC so you might not get a good conversation about it but it won't be against any rules. You can also feel free to message me about it if you like. http://www.zombiesurvivalwiki.com/page/Zombie+Chat Post reply Do you find this valuable?
fixdeluxe1	5. RE: GOP candidate race.... Feb 7 2012, 1:55 AM EST \| Post edited: Feb 7 2012, 1:55 AM EST "Try this out here. It's the site's IRC so you might not get a good conversation about it but it won't be against any rules. You can also feel free to message me about it if you like. http://www.zombiesurvivalwiki.com/page/Zombie+Chat" Sweet thanks for the heads up. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Carnack	6. RE: GOP candidate race.... Feb 7 2012, 2:49 AM EST \| Post edited: Feb 7 2012, 2:50 AM EST I'm truthfully unhappy with the lineup. I like Newt but I don't think his vision is one we can handle right now. I dislike Romney and feel he comes across as a snake oil salesman but if there's cuts to be made he will make it. However his record is dicey at best. Santorum I used to like but his foreign policy is very much that of a crusader. Can't afford it. Paul...just no. Never liked him and many of his followers (not all but many) make me inclined to do the dead opposite of any position they take. I'd vote reluctantly for Newt or Romney but I'd sit out a Paul or Santorum election. Can't do it. I don't think either of them are suited for the job in any way. This will be my only comment on the matter. I know how I get with politics. The OP asked. I answered. I'm done. Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
chitoryu12	7. RE: GOP candidate race.... Feb 7 2012, 2:58 AM EST \| Post edited: Feb 7 2012, 2:58 AM EST I'm voting for NONE of these guys. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
LJ126	8. RE: GOP candidate race.... Feb 7 2012, 12:05 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 7 2012, 12:06 PM EST I like Ron Paul, but I think Paul's position is a little too much change and too extremely for the moderate base to accept. I don't dislike Romney, but as Carnack points out, he comes across as a snake oil salesman. He's got too much polish on to be taken seriously. Now, if he starts to wipe off the plastic and become a real person towards election time, he very well might become a legitimate factor in the presidential race. Some folks (especially far right Conservatives) will say that Romney has a "switchy" past, but to me and most of us in the middle, that shows that he's willing to compromise on certain issues to get an angle on other ones. Sometimes you gotta sacrifice a pawn to make room for your bishop to come onto the board. I actually like this trait about him - it shows that he is calculating and makes decisions after having thought them out thoroughly. I'll be entirely honest though, I'm a one-issue voter because my own political philosophy is not reflected very well in this coming election. The only topic that I'm in which I'm interested is the Second Amendment (IMO the most important after the First), and I'll vote for whomever is the best bet on that issue. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Carnack	9. RE: GOP candidate race.... Feb 7 2012, 3:17 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 7 2012, 3:18 PM EST sighs I didn't last a day T_T... @LJ There are times when compromise kills your chances with a certain group. I don't hold Romney's "flip-flopping" against him in many cases because we ALL flip-flop. We operate under info and at times that information becomes invalid so we change course. That's a good trait to have. However the problem is that some things don't lend themselves to flexibility such as the polarising issues of abortion and same sex marriage (and lately government-run healthcare). It's not an easy middle ground to SEE let alone attain. For some people certain issues are a game breaker. They will stay home before voting for someone like that and admittedly I would be similar. It's important to people that Romney be flexible on some issues but an iron wall on others because they do actually want a conservative candidate. And Romney needs to cater to that since he can't win on moderates alone. It's a hard decision for me personally because early on I liked Gingrich (after Cain dropped) till he started playing Scorched Earth on Romney. He in my opinion is a better conservative but I don't thing ideology is enough here and his temperament makes me cringe. But I just can't seem to get rid of this nagging concern that Romney is just telling people what they want to hear. More than your average politician that is. I'm less against him than I was 2 months ago but I'm still leery. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
LJ126	10. RE: GOP candidate race.... Feb 7 2012, 3:24 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 7 2012, 3:37 PM EST Well said! =) PS: I'm very impressed with your response. I kinda feel like I just got put in my place, actually. =) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Som+	11. RE: GOP candidate race.... Feb 7 2012, 4:01 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 7 2012, 4:01 PM EST Paul is the most favorable, but even he's got some issues I don't like. GOP is full of idiots. Obama MIGHT do something if he gets reelected, but I have a feeling this is going to be a very close election, so there might be divided government again. The quality of presidential candidates just drops every election. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
LJ126	12. RE: GOP candidate race.... Feb 7 2012, 4:25 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 7 2012, 4:34 PM EST "Paul is the most favorable, but even he's got some issues I don't like. GOP is full of idiots. Obama MIGHT do something if he gets reelected, but I have a feeling this is going to be a very close election, so there might be divided government again. The quality of presidential candidates just drops every election." And it's started. Maybe make that more respectfully worded. Specifically, the "idiots" part. If you simply can't participate in an adult way, you can't participate in this discussion. I do agree with part of your post though, that the quality of presidential candidates declines every four years. Seems like there's very few folks out there worth voting for. However, I bet folks have been thinking those same lines for the last 200 years. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Carnack	13. RE: GOP candidate race.... Feb 7 2012, 5:00 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 7 2012, 5:11 PM EST Agreed LJ. It's easy to feel alienated in these sorts of elections. After all no ONE candidate can embody the ideals of the standard conservatives of national, social, and economic breeds, the Ron Paul Libertarians, the moderate conservatives, the Libertarians that don't identify with Ron Paul, and the standard Republican rank and file. It's impossable. Hell look at Obama. Even he is having trouble uniting his base and that's something he's good at. This will be my second presidential election. Only got reved for McCain because of Palin which was telling because look who the most iconic figure of the two of them is now. Not happy this time around neither. Really only liked Cain. The rest seem ...pale. I'll probably end up voting assuming it's a candidate I don't have direct opposition to but I can't seem to dredge up any excitment for it. I can imagine people dancing in the streets if Obama wins. If the current GOP hopefuls get office I can't imagine anyone enjoying it. Kinda sad really. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Oakspar77777	14. RE: GOP candidate race.... Feb 7 2012, 7:35 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 7 2012, 7:35 PM EST As far as survivalism goes, my issue is also amendment #2, which means: Gingrich, Santorum, and Romney are all equal, in so much as they oppose further gun control, but would not roll back anything currently on the books. Paul would move to roll back any gun control (particularly things like full auto weapons), however, that is only in line with his libertarian philosophy - there is no indication that he would act on the issue. Obama has long said that he realizes that gun control will never work because there are too many guns already on the market. His stated gun control policy is to restrict ammunition (which is why the stores sold out in panic after his election). He has not acted on his stated posistion (political suicide) and in a second term would be unlikely to (he would have to have a solid majority in congress to even hint at it). Thus, while there are pro, con-light, and con strong candidates, there is very little that will likely be done on the 2nd during the next administration. That said, the Supreme Court is always the battle ground for all gun issues, and the current court is in the right. If you were worried about the balance of the court shifting - then that might guide your decision as well. (Of course, there are other important differences as well, but none that really strike me as Zombie-based). Post reply Do you find this valuable?
timberrattler	15. RE: GOP candidate race.... Feb 7 2012, 7:52 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 7 2012, 7:52 PM EST I look at who we have running for president and how they go about it. I look at the media and how they cover the primaries. I look at the enormous amount of campaign money raised for a job that pays $250,000 grand a year. I look at who contributes the money to the candidates. Then I get very much depressed at the prospect of any of the candidates truely caring about the common man. Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
fixdeluxe1	16. RE: GOP candidate race.... Feb 10 2012, 2:08 AM EST "I'm truthfully unhappy with the lineup. I like Newt but I don't think his vision is one we can handle right now. I dislike Romney and feel he comes across as a snake oil salesman but if there's cuts to be made he will make it. However his record is dicey at best. Santorum I used to like but his foreign policy is very much that of a crusader. Can't afford it. Paul...just no. Never liked him and many of his followers (not all but many) make me inclined to do the dead opposite of any position they take. I'd vote reluctantly for Newt or Romney but I'd sit out a Paul or Santorum election. Can't do it. I don't think either of them are suited for the job in any way. This will be my only comment on the matter. I know how I get with politics. The OP asked. I answered. I'm done." I am not a fan of santorums foreign policy to many of my conservative friends disgust.I follow Ron Paul.I think that Newt is alright but Romney is a real "rich-prick". Post reply Do you find this valuable?
fixdeluxe1	17. RE: GOP candidate race.... Feb 10 2012, 2:15 AM EST "And it's started. Maybe make that more respectfully worded. Specifically, the "idiots" part. If you simply can't participate in an adult way, you can't participate in this discussion. I do agree with part of your post though, that the quality of presidential candidates declines every four years. Seems like there's very few folks out there worth voting for. However, I bet folks have been thinking those same lines for the last 200 years." Personally I think that Obama will win the next election,the republican party has turned to **** ever since the bush family took over. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
chitoryu12	18. RE: GOP candidate race.... Feb 10 2012, 3:33 AM EST While I am only speaking as a former Republican, I would not vote for any of them. It's like a seething mass of intolerance, especially from Santorum. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Frag-12	19. RE: GOP candidate race.... Feb 10 2012, 10:48 AM EST \| Post edited: Feb 10 2012, 10:51 AM EST Wow, I am surprised this isn't locked yet! I am a former Republican too and if I had to make a choice, it would be Ron Paul first and Rick Santorum second. Why Ron Paul? I do not necessarily agree with all of his ideas but I do agree with some of the major ones. I wish Ron Paul would run as a Libertarian or Independent but I understand why he placed himself on the Republican ticket which is one of the current problems with US Politics. As for Santorum, I like him because he is closer to following original Republican ideals than the other Republican candidates. However, like most politicians, would he follow the party line once he gets into office? Either he will be stopped by the larger government, be persuaded by Lobbyist for under the table large sums of money or hooks ups, or is simply stating what most die hard Republicans want to hear (aka lying through his teeth to get elected or is a hypocrite like so many politicians are). Personally, there are no longer any major differences between the Democratic and Republican Party. They just smoke their mirrors differently and one day all of the following sheep will wake up and smell the roses or coffee. It is good to see people are starting to wake up. I loved the initial backbone or blue grass reasons for the Tea Party and Occupiers before they were infiltrated by undesirables which turned them into undesirable movements. Personally, I feel the government is our worse enemy and will be the cause of the first apocalypse if we are not already currently in one. I have changed as well; my views are more conservative libertarian with a touch of Constitutionalist so I will probably not vote for another Republican including Ron Paul and most definitely not for a Democrat. The only way Ron Paul receives my vote is if he drops the Republican ticket. With my beliefs, I am always getting into battles with my Republican and Democratic family members... ;-) Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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