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IBeforeOthers	IMPORTANT: Knife Arsenal? Feb 6 2012, 7:34 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 6 2012, 7:34 PM EST http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr84l0Vkq3I&feature=channel_video_title A video with good points, and something everyone should watch at least once to understand the idea. It also gives good examples for people who want to stay on a low budget with knives. Post reply 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you? Keyword tags: None
TreeLegs	1. RE: IMPORTANT: Knife Arsenal? Feb 6 2012, 11:39 PM EST Watched it and found it informative. Great video for someone with that,"What knife do I need" question. Perfect for the beginner survivor. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
brandon_a_boyer	2. RE: IMPORTANT: Knife Arsenal? Feb 7 2012, 11:30 AM EST Personally I'm finding it a little long winded. I'm still in the process of watching it. So far i'm finding his classifications a bit too narrow. There is no need to have Five separate knives. I'll put a more complete opinion when I'm finished with the video. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
IBeforeOthers	3. RE: IMPORTANT: Knife Arsenal? Feb 7 2012, 12:09 PM EST "Personally I'm finding it a little long winded. I'm still in the process of watching it. So far i'm finding his classifications a bit too narrow. There is no need to have Five separate knives. I'll put a more complete opinion when I'm finished with the video." I agree with you to an extent. You can get many more categories than 5, and you can make maybe 3 categories if just going very broad. Personally, I like to have a large fixed blade, a short fixed blade(4-5 inches), a folding knife (3-4 inches) and a "last ditch" knife such as a boot dagger or Ka-bar's TDI series. I wanted this video to be seen though as an overall ideal and something to consider. There are a lot of situations where one knife or another may not be appropriate, so it's good to have at least a few to choose for different situations. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
LJ126	4. RE: IMPORTANT: Knife Arsenal? Feb 7 2012, 12:53 PM EST I'm at 5:48 and I'm already finding that I disagree with parts of his philosophy - which he summarizes: "If you have a good knife in each of these five categories, you are well on your way to having an actual, rational, analytical, systematic approach to your defense." I'm assuming he means that you're "carrying" said weapons at all times, and that to me is CRAZY. To own them for SHTF, I can follow that logic. I am very much in agreement with Brandon above - there's absolutely no reason to carry five knives on your person at all times, especially if you have a concealed firearm (or two) and are capable of using your natural weapons as well. For most people, two knives is more than adequate for every day carry - even for those who are defense-minded. One folding pocket knife of the maximum legal limit for your municipality, and one smaller one for other chores is adequate. The latter would be better replaced by a multi-tool. I feel that his "last ditch" category is completely unnecessary, because for me, the folding knife clipped to my pocket is a last ditch weapon, behind my CCW handgun and to a degree, even my fists and natural weapons. A knife is like an addendum to my ability to protect myself at super close grappling range. In all honesty, I'd probably even prefer a large C- or D- MagLite over any folding pocket knife. If SHTF, I could see adding a large utility/combat knife and a smaller fixed blade for general purpose survival duties to what you are carrying. Those aren't necessary for daily carry at all though. One thing I do like about the video is the different array he pulls up for each category. My choices for each category (except the "last ditch", as noted above) were well within the lines he set for each category. I just don't carry them all with me everywhere. I already carry around enough as it is. Just ask Maricely! Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Zee-Man	5. RE: IMPORTANT: Knife Arsenal? Feb 7 2012, 4:58 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 7 2012, 4:58 PM EST I couldn't finish the video. By the time he outlined his knife categories I realized he wasn't really a knife user. for EDC I have a 3.5" lockback which I use for just about everything. I also have a classic Case folder which I find gives me greater control for carving. These are utility knives, a classification not in the scope of the video. The lock back might actually be too long in many localities. For survival I would add one more blade which would be long and sturdy like Ontario's RTAK II, or Bear Grylls parang, or a well made machete. For combat I cant see having more than 2 blades. Pick your favorite long blade knife like the classic USMC Bowie. To that maybe add a bayonet if you can get one to fit your longarm. IIRR the WWII and 'Nam bayonets were simply bowies with mounting for the rifles. As far as the "last ditch" knife, any pocket knife is as good as a cute razor knife. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
IBeforeOthers	6. RE: IMPORTANT: Knife Arsenal? Feb 7 2012, 5:03 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 7 2012, 5:16 PM EST "I couldn't finish the video. By the time he outlined his knife categories I realized he wasn't really a knife user. for EDC I have a 3.5" lockback which I use for just about everything. I also have a classic Case folder which I find gives me greater control for carving. These are utility knives, a classification not in the scope of the video. The lock back might actually be too long in many localities. For survival I would add one more blade which would be long and sturdy like Ontario's RTAK II, or Bear Grylls parang, or a well made machete. For combat I cant see having more than 2 blades. Pick your favorite long blade knife like the classic USMC Bowie. To that maybe add a bayonet if you can get one to fit your longarm. IIRR the WWII and 'Nam bayonets were simply bowies with mounting for the rifles. As far as the "last ditch" knife, any pocket knife is as good as a cute razor knife. " As far as I can tell from the video, the arsenal isn't so much to be something carried all the time but to have many knives with options depending on local laws and what is applicable to carry at the time. I think edc folder and tactical folder can be made one in the same, but a long fixed and a short fixed are decent more for utility. Also, I meant to show this video as a more starting point for those who aren't very knowledgeable in knives or have never really considered the idea. I understand many get along fine with fewer. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
brandon_a_boyer	7. RE: IMPORTANT: Knife Arsenal? Feb 7 2012, 6:04 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 7 2012, 6:04 PM EST The way I look at it, Knives are tools first and weapons second. My first line of defense will always be a long gun, probably a shotgun. Second comes small arms, and third comes knives. To me, three sizes of knives handles almost any task you can throw at them. The first one is a heavy chopper, either a machete or a Kukri. Second comes a 6 to 8 inch hunting knife, third comes a folding pocket knife for fine work (think swiss army or case knife). Most hunting knives will function perfectly well as a combat knife so I personally view the extra weight as excessive. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
PSIchoticPANDA	8. RE: IMPORTANT: Knife Arsenal? Feb 14 2012, 7:04 PM EST Personally i would only have 3 knifes the first is the San Mai 3 Gurkha Kukri from Cold Steel it is the last machete you will ever need it is in a word... Amazing if you heard of it you know exactly what i mean other than that i would carry a small serrated folder ive grown found of the Bear Grylls folding knife its light, sized just right and its Gerber nuf' said and last but not least i think every man should have multi-tool i use my multi-tool so much right now i cant even imagine how useful it will be during z-day and as far as multi-tools got you cant go wrong with Leatherman i can't even remember the last time i remember anyone i know having a problem with them. Thats my thought on the subject being someone who carry's a knife everyday there is 2 things I've learned. 1. Everyone has a knife style for them, and 2. DON'T go cheap it is NEVER worth it. http://www.amazon.com/Gerber-31-000752-Grylls-Survival-Folding/dp/B004DT09WI http://www.coldsteel.com/sanmaigurkha.html http://www.leatherman.com/category/multi-tools Post reply Do you find this valuable?
LJ126	9. RE: IMPORTANT: Knife Arsenal? Feb 14 2012, 7:18 PM EST Some cheap stuff is really good though... The Windlass Ghurka Kukri is excellent kukri, 1095 steel, tougher than nails - $40. Same with the Mora knives, I've seen those under $5 and they're also rock solid and dependable. You just need to make sure what you're getting is going to be worth it. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
brandon_a_boyer	10. RE: IMPORTANT: Knife Arsenal? Feb 14 2012, 7:25 PM EST "Personally i would only have 3 knifes the first is the San Mai 3 Gurkha Kukri from Cold Steel it is the last machete you will ever need it is in a word... Amazing if you heard of it you know exactly what i mean other than that i would carry a small serrated folder ive grown found of the Bear Grylls folding knife its light, sized just right and its Gerber nuf' said and last but not least i think every man should have multi-tool i use my multi-tool so much right now i cant even imagine how useful it will be during z-day and as far as multi-tools got you cant go wrong with Leatherman i can't even remember the last time i remember anyone i know having a problem with them. Thats my thought on the subject being someone who carry's a knife everyday there is 2 things I've learned. 1. Everyone has a knife style for them, and 2. DON'T go cheap it is NEVER worth it. http://www.amazon.com/Gerber-31-000752-Grylls-Survival-Folding/dp/B004DT09WI http://www.coldsteel.com/sanmaigurkha.html http://www.leatherman.com/category/multi-tools" I own a Cold Steel Gurkha Kukri, and even I feel that their san mai Kukri is excessively expensive. They make good knives, but for that cost there are far more effective routes. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Mercob	11. RE: IMPORTANT: Knife Arsenal? Mar 2 2012, 3:16 AM EST \| Post edited: Mar 2 2012, 3:16 AM EST I have 2 kurkis(one steel the other black carbon fibre very light), 2 knives (KA-BAR and Muelo Combat knife. and 2 folding knives one being a multi tool. they easily attach to my apparel when in survival mode (geared up) the kurkies can be used for day to day duties or combat. The knives for combat and the clasp knives to avoid combat unless dire. The multi tool has a knife, a mini torch that detaches that holds flintrod, a compass and a whistle. Least knives i would have would have to be 3; a machete of sorts, a combat knife (or kitchen just something sturdy above 8 inches) and a strong folding knife or small knife. Machete for work and killing, Knife for killing and folding knife for food. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Carnack	12. RE: IMPORTANT: Knife Arsenal? Mar 2 2012, 3:26 AM EST \| Post edited: Mar 2 2012, 3:28 AM EST I usually carry 2 on me. Technically 3 but the Utilikey is hardly something I regularly use. A folding knife (Dozier 2) and a multitool (bucktool). Oh and my tool logic Credit Card Companion in my wallet. Damn I carry 4 V_V My survival knife (ka-bar) is kept in my vehicle. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
MCS81	13. RE: IMPORTANT: Knife Arsenal? Mar 2 2012, 3:30 PM EST \| Post edited: Mar 2 2012, 3:30 PM EST The rules on carrying any sort of weapon in London are very strict and getting stricter all the time so I only have as my EDC a Leatherman Squirt PS4 & a Credit Card Survival Tool. I think technically I am allowed a larger blade than is on the Squirt but as an EDC this does what I've ever needed of it and it would be easier to explain than a larger, more 'aggressive' knife. For my BOB I have a Swiss Army Picknicker, a small stainless steel pocket knife (blade, screwdriver/can opener and file) which can be kept on a lanyard and in theory I would also pack a large blade for defense in an emergency situation but I keep those in the kitchen to avoid being the crazy guy with a butchers kit in his room! I also have a retractable blade utility knife and a pack of spare razor blades for it which I keep in my FAK. I'm contemplating buying a large fixed blade for camping trips but honestly my Picknicker blade has always been up to any job that I'd be happy using a knife for. I think my next sharp purchase will be a folding saw, something like the Bahco Laplander Folding Saw. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Markthegenius	14. RE: IMPORTANT: Knife Arsenal? Mar 3 2012, 6:11 AM EST \| Post edited: Mar 3 2012, 6:11 AM EST I got around the problem by simply buying knives. I now feel satisfied with my selection. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
TreeLegs	15. RE: IMPORTANT: Knife Arsenal? Mar 4 2012, 1:15 AM EST \| Post edited: Mar 4 2012, 1:15 AM EST "The rules on carrying any sort of weapon in London are very strict and getting stricter all the time so I only have as my EDC a Leatherman Squirt PS4 & a Credit Card Survival Tool. I think technically I am allowed a larger blade than is on the Squirt but as an EDC this does what I've ever needed of it and it would be easier to explain than a larger, more 'aggressive' knife. For my BOB I have a Swiss Army Picknicker, a small stainless steel pocket knife (blade, screwdriver/can opener and file) which can be kept on a lanyard and in theory I would also pack a large blade for defense in an emergency situation but I keep those in the kitchen to avoid being the crazy guy with a butchers kit in his room! I also have a retractable blade utility knife and a pack of spare razor blades for it which I keep in my FAK. I'm contemplating buying a large fixed blade for camping trips but honestly my Picknicker blade has always been up to any job that I'd be happy using a knife for. I think my next sharp purchase will be a folding saw, something like the Bahco Laplander Folding Saw." Does London have restrictions on making your own? Might fit your needs better is you could do so. I can barely keep up with all the Federal, State and local laws here on blades to keep up with international ones. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
MCS81	16. RE: IMPORTANT: Knife Arsenal? Mar 4 2012, 7:54 AM EST \| Post edited: Mar 4 2012, 7:54 AM EST I'm no expert on knife law but from my understanding it is an offence to carry any knife or sharp pointed object without "good reason or lawful authority" and the only type of knife that is acceptable* to carry day to day is a folding pocket knife with a blade length of 3 inches or less. There are some exceptions, if you're a chef you can carry kitchen knives between your home and place of work for example. *The burden of proving good reason is with the carrier and IMO something like a multi-tool or Swiss army knife is going to be easier to argue the justification for carrying than anything home made. Oh and if it's a locking blade, automatic, butterfly or gravity knife or if the cops suspect you are carrying with 'intent to cause harm' (even in self defense) then you can be charged and sentenced to a maximum four years in prison and a fine of £5000 Post reply Do you find this valuable?
RainofMails	17. RE: IMPORTANT: Knife Arsenal? Mar 6 2012, 9:41 PM EST \| Post edited: Mar 6 2012, 9:41 PM EST I carry a SOG trident as my EDC folder, and a CRKT minimalist bowie when I am at work for opening packages. I also have the 4 inch and 6 inch cold steel ti-lites and a SOG multitool in my small bug-out bag (which I keep on hand at all times) and a KA-Bar Tanto and SOG Fast Hawk in my big bug-out bag (saved for when SHTF). I own other knives but I view them as trade goods rather than important post-apocalypse equipment. It would be unusual to carry 5 knives on your person all the time, but I would never carry less than two on my person (what if a friend needs to borrow one, you lose one, or one breaks?) and having 5 between your person and your vehicle seems reasonable. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
djnerfer	18. RE: IMPORTANT: Knife Arsenal? Mar 8 2012, 3:27 PM EST \| Post edited: Mar 8 2012, 3:27 PM EST i would carry 7 blades 1 machete bolted to the end of a metal broom handle(make shift halberd) 2 my timber bowie knife 2 pack for fighting 3 a gerber gator 4 a large swiss army knife 5 a ku khri 6 a simple pen knife 7 a hatchet i do not like guns to much because i dont handle recoil well i will carry a simple m9 for range because i grew up in a wooded area and was fasinated with birds i am increadably quiet in leaves Post reply Do you find this valuable?
randomknife666	19. RE: IMPORTANT: Knife Arsenal? Mar 8 2012, 3:36 PM EST \| Post edited: Mar 8 2012, 3:36 PM EST "i would carry 7 blades 1 machete bolted to the end of a metal broom handle(make shift halberd) 2 my timber bowie knife 2 pack for fighting 3 a gerber gator 4 a large swiss army knife 5 a ku khri 6 a simple pen knife 7 a hatchet i do not like guns to much because i dont handle recoil well i will carry a simple m9 for range because i grew up in a wooded area and was fasinated with birds i am increadably quiet in leaves " What does being fascinated by birds have to do with carrying an M9? Also, it may be better to carry a pistol caliber carbine if your not good with recoil. (A handgun has less weight to control the recoil.) If the recoil is still to much, the only suggestions I can make are either a .22 rifle/handgun, or a better recoil pad. Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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