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Zee-Man
Zee-Man
Accelerants
Feb 9 2012, 9:35 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 9 2012, 9:35 PM EST
I would like to keep up with this page. If you have additional natural accelerant ideas, but are not a Writer yet, please PM me and I will add it to the page. Writers, of course, should just add their examples into the image table. Do you find this valuable?    
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redcomrad
redcomrad
1. RE: Accelerants
Feb 9 2012, 10:01 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 9 2012, 10:01 PM EST
"I would like to keep up with this page. If you have additional natural accelerant ideas, but are not a Writer yet, please PM me and I will add it to the page. Writers, of course, should just add their examples into the image table."
just asking a question about birch wood, i head it also can be used not only as an accelerant but also paper is this true and how good of paper is it? another thing how good of an accelerant is birch in comparison to other accelerants like say gasoline?
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Zee-Man
Zee-Man
2. RE: Accelerants
Feb 11 2012, 9:48 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 11 2012, 9:48 AM EST
The outer layers of birch bark peel off easily. It remains pliant for some time. So it can be used as a paper, but it is not durable as what we enjoy as paper, nor even what ancient Egyptians enjoyed as paper. Even so, it has been used by many cultures for extended periods of time.

Birch bark is full of a resinous oil which I believe is called Betulin. Betulin has qualities which are believed to be medicinal. The oil in the bark is highly flammable. Liquid accelerants, such as gasoline, have their greatest effect when atomized. Atomized liquid accelerants have huge surface areas exposed to oxygen which makes them explosive. When not atomized they are much less likely to be a problem. Since the oil in birch bark is in the solids of the bark, it is not all exposed to oxygen. The woody part of the bark takes some of the latent energy. Heating the bark of course gassifies the oil which is why I have it listed as an accelerant.

For fire starting, I feel birch bark to be more effective than gasoline because of the slower burn rate. For this reason it is safer to use. Gasoline will produce a large amount of heat very quickly, but is spent in short order.
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TreeLegs
TreeLegs
3. RE: Accelerants
Feb 11 2012, 12:56 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 11 2012, 12:56 PM EST
"The outer layers of birch bark peel off easily. It remains pliant for some time. So it can be used as a paper, but it is not durable as what we enjoy as paper, nor even what ancient Egyptians enjoyed as paper. Even so, it has been used by many cultures for extended periods of time.

Birch bark is full of a resinous oil which I believe is called <B>Betulin. </B>Betulin has qualities which are believed to be medicinal. The oil in the bark is highly flammable. Liquid accelerants, such as gasoline, have their greatest effect when atomized. Atomized liquid accelerants have huge surface areas exposed to oxygen which makes them explosive. When not atomized they are much less likely to be a problem. Since the oil in birch bark is in the solids of the bark, it is not all exposed to oxygen. The woody part of the bark takes some of the latent energy. Heating the bark of course gassifies the oil which is why I have it listed as an accelerant.

For fire starting, I feel birch bark to be more effective than gasoline because of the slower burn rate. For this reason it is safer to use. Gasoline will produce a large amount of heat very quickly, but is spent in short order.<B>
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When I was deployed, we burned off our solid waste with a mixture of desiel amd gasoline. The right mix lets the gas heat the desiel till it can hold a flame. That crap would burn for hours.

You could always use the gunpowder from a round of ammunition by seperating the bullet from the casing with pliers.
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Zee-Man
Zee-Man
4. RE: Accelerants
Feb 11 2012, 1:36 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 11 2012, 1:36 PM EST
"You could always use the gunpowder from a round of ammunition by seperating the bullet from the casing with pliers."
I actually intended to have gunpowder in there, glad you added this I did not want it left out.
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FrankLeeDeRainged
FrankLeeDeRainged
5. RE: Accelerants
Feb 11 2012, 7:16 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 11 2012, 7:16 PM EST
The best way to start a fire is to tell everyone who wants to help to f**k off!

Seriously has no-one else noticed the more people the are 'helping' to start a fire the longer it takes?
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LJ126
LJ126
6. RE: Accelerants
Feb 11 2012, 8:02 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 11 2012, 8:02 PM EST
I learned about a new homemade firestarter recently - Go to Walmart and buy a can of Kiwi brand "Mink Oil" from the shoes section. Then, go over to where they sell the make-up and buy a package of "cotton rounds," which are circular patches of woven cotton used to help apply and remove make-up and nail polish. Then, heat up the can of Mink Oil with a hair dryer or heat gun until it has melted somewhat into fluid. Using tweezers, dip one cotton round in the melted oil, then place on a sheet of aluminum foil to dry.

Actually, I can do one better and send y'all a link to a video on it... the guy does it a little differently than the way I read about (lights oil on fire to melt some) but it's essentially the same process.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGOjLHsMqCc
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JunkCollector
JunkCollector
7. RE: Accelerants
Feb 11 2012, 8:38 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 11 2012, 8:38 PM EST
When I go camping I like to make what I call fast fire sticks.

1. Take some medium size sticks.
2. Put them in a plastic tub.
3. Poor kerosene over the sticks, so that there's extra in the tub.
4. Let sit for a couple of days so that the extra kerosene soaks into the sticks.
5. Place sticks in Zip lock bags (quart bags are what I use).
6. When you want to start a fire, open a bag, and light the wood.

Instant roaring fire that will last for 20 minutes on its own, and won't go out when wood is laid over it (as long as you don't go crazy).
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TreeLegs
TreeLegs
8. RE: Accelerants
Feb 11 2012, 9:12 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 11 2012, 9:12 PM EST
@FLDR-Yeah whats upwith that?

@LJ & JC- Both of those are awesome.
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NotAlice
NotAlice
9. RE: Accelerants
Feb 11 2012, 9:30 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 11 2012, 9:30 PM EST
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Seriously has no-one else noticed the more people the are 'helping' to start a fire the longer it takes?
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All too true! Too much CO2 slows ignition! lol Actually, I THINK that all the clustering messes up the air flow to the fire. But I think a lot of things.
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JunkCollector
JunkCollector
10. RE: Accelerants
Feb 12 2012, 1:54 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 12 2012, 1:54 AM EST
Something I also do on occasion is to spray some small sticks with starter fluid, toss a match and it will usually start fast and easily. WD40 also works well. Do you find this valuable?    
Zee-Man
Zee-Man
11. RE: Accelerants
Feb 12 2012, 9:51 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 12 2012, 9:51 AM EST
Nice ideas guys.

I wont be adding anymore man made accelerants to the page, there are simply too many flammable liquids. If there are any other naturally occurring accelerants I certainly want to add those.

For fireSTARTERS, please be sure to post your ideas with that page.

http://www.zombiesurvivalwiki.com/page/Alternative+Fire+Starters
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Zee-Man
Zee-Man
12. RE: Accelerants
Apr 29 2012, 2:19 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 29 2012, 2:19 PM EDT
I decided to give Mio water enchancer a try. I hate one of the artificial sweeteners in it. I bore through that and now have a cute little squeeze bottle.

I'm going to fill it up with some 91% alcohol and add it to the BOB. I wouldn't go out and buy more, US$5 is way too much for a cute bottle. Still, it's a nice reuse.
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TurnAndBurn
TurnAndBurn
13. RE: Accelerants
Apr 29 2012, 4:57 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 29 2012, 4:57 PM EDT
Lint from clothes driers or even out of the bottoms of your pockets are good although don't last very long at all.

As for all natural, tree sap is amazing and will burn for a lot longer than one might imagine. Even if it's dried out on the surface of bark it will still burn.
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