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Frag-12
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This would be a nice ZPOC stronghold
Feb 10 2012, 10:06 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 10 2012, 10:06 AM EST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mont_Saint-Michel

This would be an awesome place for a ZPOC stronghold and it still could if you planned it correctly, had a large enough team, nice funding or long term preparation, and some luck.


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Braydonn
Braydonn
1. RE: This would be a nice ZPOC stronghold
Feb 10 2012, 4:12 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 10 2012, 4:12 PM EST
"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mont_Saint-Michel

This would be an awesome place for a ZPOC stronghold and it still could if you planned it correctly, had a large enough team, nice funding or long term preparation, and some luck.


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It would take quite a lot of effort to do fortify that, but I can see the overall benefits of fortifying such a structure being huge! Firstly I would set up a heavy road block over that one road in, put up some guard towers behind it. Build a fence around the waters edge (just in case anything tries to go through the water.) Obviously that is salt water, so if you set up some sort of desalinization machine or know how to desalinize water that would come in a lot of handy for collecting water.

I always thought that a lighthouse would provide a pretty decent defense! When the tides up, your defense is huge waves crashing against the side. Tide goes down and your on your own.
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Zee-Man
Zee-Man
2. RE: This would be a nice ZPOC stronghold
Feb 10 2012, 9:09 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 10 2012, 9:09 PM EST
Mont Sain Michel is a wonderful castle. What is especially unique about it is that the strand which is the access is entirely flooded during a large part of the day. The current sweeping across the strand is very strong also.

The approaches to MSM in the days when it was a Castle were easily defended. At several point along the road up, normal bridges could be sapped drawbridges could be retracted.

MSM is a very admirable fortification. Now, Im going to hit the link and see what in wikipedia : )


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Frag-12
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3. RE: This would be a nice ZPOC stronghold
Feb 10 2012, 9:46 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 10 2012, 9:46 PM EST
"The approaches to MSM in the days when it was a Castle were easily defended. At several point along the road up, normal bridges could be sapped drawbridges could be retracted.
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I agree Zee-man, the best course of action would be to sever the road and build a drawbridge between the gap. In addition, see if the Dam needs to be reconfigured. The primary purpose of the Dam is to help remove the collecting silt.

@Braydon, since you really do not have to worry about a fence but if you install one then it is defense in depth. The castle is either surrounded by water when the tide is in or quick sand when the tide is out. This means only floating and flying objects can get to the castle once you sever the road. The areas not walled appear to be steep cliffs while all the easy accesible areas from the water have walls and towers.

You can use a desalination machines but I bet that nice granite is filtering water into a nice fresh water well and that is where the castle takes its water from. Althernatives water sources include, water acclamation with cistern if it does not already have one and/or Atmospheric Water Generators.

You do not have to worry about crashing waves, the Castle has been there since the 8th century so I am sure they already have that worked out. Do you find this valuable?    

zombie0human156
4. RE: This would be a nice ZPOC stronghold
Feb 11 2012, 1:28 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 11 2012, 1:28 AM EST
If that is the case you could use alcatraz as a base too. Do you find this valuable?    
Frag-12
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5. RE: This would be a nice ZPOC stronghold
Feb 11 2012, 3:45 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 11 2012, 3:45 PM EST
"If that is the case you could use alcatraz as a base too."
You could but this location is better because of location. You would be in the center of Land of the Dead on Alcatraz. In addition, Alcatraz is more ran down and not made to the quality of MSM. Do you find this valuable?    
Braydonn
Braydonn
6. RE: This would be a nice ZPOC stronghold
Feb 12 2012, 12:34 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 12 2012, 12:36 AM EST
"@Braydon, since you really do not have to worry about a fence but if you install one then it is defense in depth. The castle is either surrounded by water when the tide is in or quick sand when the tide is out. This means only floating and flying objects can get to the castle once you sever the road. The areas not walled appear to be steep cliffs while all the easy accesible areas from the water have walls and towers.

You can use a desalination machines but I bet that nice granite is filtering water into a nice fresh water well and that is where the castle takes its water from. Althernatives water sources include, water acclamation with cistern if it does not already have one and/or Atmospheric Water Generators.

You do not have to worry about crashing waves, the Castle has been there since the 8th century so I am sure they already have that worked out."
I probably could have found out all those facts if I actually read the article instead of just looking at the picture! Sorry I was in a hurry.
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Frag-12
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7. RE: This would be a nice ZPOC stronghold
Feb 13 2012, 9:53 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 13 2012, 9:53 AM EST
No, I live in the US and MSM is in Northern France. I was pointing out a good ZPOC defense and what would endure. You probably can build a similar home here in the US and either build the castle yourself or contract Castle Magic to build it for you - http://www.castlemagic.com/. They use both traditional and modern building methods. Castles were normally drafty but not Castle Magic castles. Or, you can construct a wooden fort on an island as well. Although a wooden fort will not endure like a well made castle.
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Corbin71
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8. RE: This would be a nice ZPOC stronghold
Feb 19 2012, 6:09 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 19 2012, 6:09 PM EST
That is an impressive location. I usually look at a place for it's food/water value since there's a slight difference between being fortified and being trapped. :p
I'm going to assume there are wells or water underneath. Fish in the water, sheep in the fields (massacred by point if you haven't got them inside).

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FrankLeeDeRainged
FrankLeeDeRainged
9. RE: This would be a nice ZPOC stronghold
Feb 19 2012, 7:04 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 19 2012, 7:23 PM EST
Y'aint from around here, are you son? St Michels is nice, and big but not exactly unique as far as fortifications go. Some parts of Europe you can't throw a stick without hitting some castle or other. Here's a Templar job in my region;

http://www.spain.info/en/conoce/monumentos/leon/castillo_de_los_templarios.html

And here is a personal favourite;

http://www.historic-scotland.gov.uk/propertyresults/propertyoverview.htm?PropID=PL_189&PropName=Kisimul%20Castle

This one in northern Britain is in lovely condition, and comes complete with a museum full of weapons;

http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/daysout/properties/carlisle-castle/

But Burg Hohenzollern near Stuttgart is often said to one of the most amazing castles in Europe;

http://www.burg-hohenzollern.com/startpage.html

And finally the iconic Eilean Donan in Scotland;

http://www.eileandonancastle.com/

Which is available for weddings, functions and being scouted out by survivalists. . .
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Braydonn
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10. RE: This would be a nice ZPOC stronghold
Feb 20 2012, 4:40 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 20 2012, 4:40 AM EST
@FrankLeeDeRainged

Wow those places are excellent!
Those places seem like really good strongholds, except you'd think that a ton of people would think to go there. So not only would you have to defend against zombies, you would have to defend against raiders, other survivors and other factions. Although if you had a decent sized group I am sure you could hold down your stronghold with relative ease. Do you find this valuable?    
FrankLeeDeRainged
FrankLeeDeRainged
11. RE: This would be a nice ZPOC stronghold
Feb 20 2012, 5:27 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 20 2012, 5:27 AM EST
I put castles of all sizes in my list because the OP's Mont Saint-Michel is simply enormous! Lindisfarne off Northumbria is another tidal island that's fortifications are a size smaller but still, at a guess, somewhere close to a 100 person proposition.

http://www.northofthetyne.co.uk/LindisfarneCastle.html

But Kisimule and Eilean Donan are petite and bijou in comparison and Preston tower is actually just a large house that happens to be arranged vertically with six foot thick walls.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preston_Tower_%28Northumberland%29

If you include 'usable' ruins in the search results then the available number of castles is much much greater and pitching tents and building shelters in somewhere like Bodiam Castle near Britain's south coast would be a better deal than trying to build something from shipping containers and sandbags.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodiam_Castle
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Braydonn
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12. RE: This would be a nice ZPOC stronghold
Feb 20 2012, 5:41 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 20 2012, 5:41 AM EST
Oh it certainly would be!
You are so lucky, not only are they historically beautiful and magnificent, they provide excellent defense against the undead scourge!
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FrankLeeDeRainged
FrankLeeDeRainged
13. RE: This would be a nice ZPOC stronghold
Feb 20 2012, 5:54 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 20 2012, 5:54 AM EST
Lol, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_castles_in_Spain

One or two. . .
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Braydonn
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14. RE: This would be a nice ZPOC stronghold
Feb 20 2012, 6:06 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 20 2012, 6:06 AM EST
"Lol, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_castles_in_Spain

One or two. . .
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Aww yeah, just a few.. haha! Do you find this valuable?    
AlphaOneFour
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15. RE: This would be a nice ZPOC stronghold
Feb 20 2012, 12:23 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 20 2012, 12:23 PM EST
Unfortunately, there aren't many castles in the UK with a good water supply anymore. the wells have mostly dried up, and some simple had it brought in. This does not make for a very defensible loaction, and neither do the lack of proper toilets (nothing says inhabited by food more than a large pile of excrement at the bottom of the walls...) In this regard, I think that an aircraft carrier would provide a decent base, as long as water filters could be installed. And what do you know? The HMS Ark Royal is for sale? (harriers not included, sadly).

Castles seem a good idea, and I was recently toying around with subtly armouring a house by way of stone cladding, which would look similar. Of course, if you pick the right castle after z-day, you can call yourself king/queen :p Do you find this valuable?    
Braydonn
Braydonn
16. RE: This would be a nice ZPOC stronghold
Feb 20 2012, 3:40 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 20 2012, 3:40 PM EST
"Unfortunately, there aren't many castles in the UK with a good water supply anymore. the wells have mostly dried up, and some simple had it brought in. This does not make for a very defensible loaction, and neither do the lack of proper toilets (nothing says inhabited by food more than a large pile of excrement at the bottom of the walls...) In this regard, I think that an aircraft carrier would provide a decent base, as long as water filters could be installed. And what do you know? The HMS Ark Royal is for sale? (harriers not included, sadly).

Castles seem a good idea, and I was recently toying around with subtly armouring a house by way of stone cladding, which would look similar. Of course, if you pick the right castle after z-day, you can call yourself king/queen :p"
Wow if only you had the money to get that beast! You could stay anchored the whole time and not have to worry about anything! (Except maybe for collecting food)
Althought I tend to agree with you, I think being called King would be pretty awesome!

All hail King AlphOneFour! Hail, hail, hail!
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FrankLeeDeRainged
FrankLeeDeRainged
17. RE: This would be a nice ZPOC stronghold
Feb 21 2012, 5:41 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 21 2012, 5:42 AM EST
"All hail King AlphOneFour! Hail, hail, hail!
Has a ring to it, am I right? :p"
No, THE KING OF THE DEAD, has a ring to it. You can almost hear the exclamation marks slamming into place. .
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AlphaOneFour
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18. RE: This would be a nice ZPOC stronghold
Feb 21 2012, 1:50 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 21 2012, 1:50 PM EST
And I love me them exclamation marks.

And really, I wouldn't call myself king. I could choose from any title I wanted, though there is every chance that people would still jusy say "Hi Ben" and not "Hail, king, boyar, sheikh, magister, lord, duke, count and baron of dead England".

And besides, I would have to be called Cap'n (apostrophe and all) if I got the Ark Royal. Might have to save up for a little longer though... Do you find this valuable?    
FrankLeeDeRainged
FrankLeeDeRainged
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Feb 21 2012, 2:38 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 21 2012, 2:38 PM EST
I sorry but the skipper of a capitol ship usually gets 'the old man', as in "orders from the old man" or "the old man said". . .

But anyone who thinks a castle is going to take too much manpower to run is in for a shock when they see how many able hands an aircraft carrier needs. Even without the flight crews and support I doubt you'd get any change out of a thousand five hundred people (who really need to know what they are doing!)
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