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epic_epicness
epic_epicness
80. RE: Brothel Trap
Feb 15 2012, 7:46 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 15 2012, 7:47 PM EST
"Here it is the implication, they don't have to say "or else"

It's what the VICTIM believes, for example, if you walk up to a friend and smack their as$, is it sexual abuse or no? If they think so, it is"
correct but if you walk up to someone and they BELIEVE you are going to smack their @ss that just makes them an idiot........ this a is universal law. action and implied action (IE the use of or else) proof of coercion. without it you are just that crazy chick that thinks everyone is trying to grab her @ss.

*EDIT* changed you to them
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White76Knight
White76Knight
81. RE: Brothel Trap
Feb 15 2012, 9:11 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 15 2012, 9:11 PM EST
"+1

My mother awlays told me that just because I dislike the choices i have does not mean they are not present.

Sometimes you're given the choice between eating a turd sandwhich or eating a plateful of puke perogies. Just because you dislike one choice does not make that one choice go away. It's still there."
This is the point I was trying to make exactly. We all make choices, maybe all of our available options suck, but whether we like them or not they are still choices.
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White76Knight
White76Knight
82. RE: Brothel Trap
Feb 15 2012, 9:16 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 15 2012, 9:16 PM EST
"coercion is compliance by force. there is no force in asking a female every day if she wants to F*ck. until the words "or else" come into play it is just harassment ."
I agree with Sharpie. If you walk up to a woman every day and ask her if she wants to f*ck, but you're a foot taller than her and outweigh her by forty or fifty pounds, and you look like the kind of guy who wouldn't balk at getting physical to get what you want, then "or else" can come across loud and clear whether the words ever pass your lips or not.

The sad truth is that laws these days are written, or at least interpreted, in such a way that you don't need proof of coercion, you just need proof that the victim BELIEVED they were being coerced. It ain't right, but it is what it is.
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11ACRBlackhorse
11ACRBlackhorse
83. RE: Brothel Trap
Feb 16 2012, 8:36 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 16 2012, 8:56 AM EST
"The assumption that buying people things entitles you to sex is inherently ill-judged in the first place. It's one thing to *encourage* sexual activity by material means, it's entirely another to purchase sex or approve of it as a lifestyle.

The thought process doesn't condemn all forms of labour for payment. Sex is not labour, it is pleasure and a biological process, it is literally the renting of a body for a body's sake.

Again, "voluntary" isn't really voluntary if society is inherently unequal. The coercive ability of a lack of money is not to be underestimated. "Consenting adults" tend to have their opinions warped if they'll go hungry otherwise."
I guess you never met lots of married people then. Because there are lots of wives out there that wont have sex until they get something in return. That is a sad fact but true.

When ever you use any part of your body as a service in exchange for payment and its an agreed trade. Then its not rape. Tourist guides, amusement attendents, massage therapists, dancers (*with or without clothes), actors to name a few. They trade labor for payment so people can have pleasure. So now thats all rape or slavery? Get a grip.

My mother was as hilly billy poor as you could get. She traded normal work for money. But I know middle class women (some even married) that are hookers.
Money isnt always the reason. Some like to just have sex with lots of guys and the money is a bonus. Others it fills a emotional need or its taboo so they do it. So dont try and blanket statement all hookers are forced into the trade by the wicked society run by knuckle dragging men.
Now some societies they dont have any other options. But thats not everywhere or even close to everyone.
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11ACRBlackhorse
11ACRBlackhorse
84. RE: Brothel Trap
Feb 16 2012, 8:38 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 16 2012, 8:38 AM EST
"By that logic, a woman who is being raped has a choice, concede to getting raped, or be horribly injured or even killed.

Again, it's not a choice."
You are stretching facts and who cares what laws or schools you went to. Its not relavent to this discussion.
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11ACRBlackhorse
11ACRBlackhorse
85. RE: Brothel Trap
Feb 16 2012, 8:54 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 16 2012, 8:54 AM EST
"I agree with Sharpie. If you walk up to a woman every day and ask her if she wants to f*ck, but you're a foot taller than her and outweigh her by forty or fifty pounds, and you look like the kind of guy who wouldn't balk at getting physical to get what you want, then "or else" can come across loud and clear whether the words ever pass your lips or not.

The sad truth is that laws these days are written, or at least interpreted, in such a way that you don't need proof of coercion, you just need proof that the victim BELIEVED they were being coerced. It ain't right, but it is what it is."
EE, Sharpie, and w76k are all correct but by different shades of grey.

What the law says and how its enforced are different sides to the same coin. And the continuation of asking is thought of as verbal coercion and him being an authority figure and male just added to the issue. I still think its wrong if he didnt physically threaten her. In my book both where idiots on this one.
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CyprusBill
CyprusBill
86. RE: Brothel Trap
Feb 16 2012, 9:10 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 16 2012, 9:10 AM EST
I'd just like to toss this article out there as a counterpoint to the "all prostitution is rape" argument.
http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/jun/29/prostitution-a-means-to-an-end-for-college/
According to this one woman, it's a "dream Job".
I'll freely admit, this is probably not the norm. However, there are SEVERAL different articles like this on the internet, and I do recall a segment on (60 minutes, Dateline NBC? I can't remember) that covered this very situation. Some people are not in ANY way forced into that lifestyle, and in fact, enter it by choice.
Ergo, not rape.
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Sharpie41
Sharpie41
87. RE: Brothel Trap
Feb 16 2012, 9:31 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 16 2012, 9:50 AM EST
"EE, Sharpie, and w76k are all correct but by different shades of grey.

What the law says and how its enforced are different sides to the same coin. And the continuation of asking is thought of as verbal coercion and him being an authority figure and male just added to the issue. I still think its wrong if he didnt physically threaten her. In my book both where idiots on this one."
Yes she was an idiot for giving in, but in her defense, she was scared and as everyone knows, people do fûcking dumbshît things when they're scared
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Frag-12
Frag-12
88. RE: Brothel Trap
Feb 16 2012, 9:41 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 16 2012, 9:41 AM EST
Both forced and voluntary are true in America. Some are forced (underground\black market usually done with the underage or foreigners), others do it for a temporary need (money or pleasure), and some of the veterans are in it for both pleasure and they do not like being attached (married\etc). The money pays the bills like everyone else has to pay. Escort is the more white collar version of this profession. A new trend for young women, they are use escorting for paying college tuition.

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White76Knight
White76Knight
89. RE: Brothel Trap
Feb 16 2012, 11:46 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 16 2012, 11:46 AM EST
"I'd just like to toss this article out there as a counterpoint to the "all prostitution is rape" argument.
http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/jun/29/prostitution-a-means-to-an-end-for-college/
According to this one woman, it's a "dream Job".
I'll freely admit, this is probably not the norm. However, there are SEVERAL different articles like this on the internet, and I do recall a segment on (60 minutes, Dateline NBC? I can't remember) that covered this very situation. Some people are not in ANY way forced into that lifestyle, and in fact, enter it by choice.
Ergo, not rape."
Exactly
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redcomrad
redcomrad
90. RE: Brothel Trap
Feb 16 2012, 11:17 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 16 2012, 11:17 PM EST
Guys this is likely majorly off topic because the original point of this thread was to discuss if "you got attacked when you had your pants down" not on the ethics of prostitution. If you want to discuss that please PM each other, go chat in the InstaChat, or better yet make a thread about it. Do you find this valuable?    
11ACRBlackhorse
11ACRBlackhorse
91. RE: Brothel Trap
Feb 17 2012, 8:14 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 17 2012, 8:14 AM EST
Sounds like a plan.

Now Unless the threat was in my BOL I really doubt this will happen. And if it did, I have bigger issues than being caught with my pants down.
But a real interesting idea.
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White76Knight
White76Knight
92. RE: Brothel Trap
Feb 17 2012, 1:29 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 17 2012, 1:29 PM EST
"Guys this is likely majorly off topic because the original point of this thread was to discuss if "you got attacked when you had your pants down" not on the ethics of prostitution. If you want to discuss that please PM each other, go chat in the InstaChat, or better yet make a thread about it."
I agree, and I apologize for having contributed to the derailment of the original thread. In the spirit of returning to the original topic, I will reiterate what I said in Post 36, "What precautions should a man take to best defend himself while he was busy humping, shagging, doing the horizontal mambo, or otherwise getting his freak on?"
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Medusa374
Medusa374
93. RE: Brothel Trap
Feb 17 2012, 2:55 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 17 2012, 2:55 PM EST
Realistically, I'd probably do that as a means to find slaves. No joke, you can fit a lot of things in a corset/skirt combo. Do you find this valuable?    
redcomrad
redcomrad
94. RE: Brothel Trap
Feb 19 2012, 2:10 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 19 2012, 2:10 AM EST
"Realistically, I'd probably do that as a means to find slaves. No joke, you can fit a lot of things in a corset/skirt combo."
.... note yo self if i find Medussa post-SHTF be very very careful
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TreeLegs
TreeLegs
95. RE: Brothel Trap
Feb 19 2012, 2:14 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 19 2012, 2:14 AM EST
"Realistically, I'd probably do that as a means to find slaves. No joke, you can fit a lot of things in a corset/skirt combo."
I do enjoy your humor lol.
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TreeLegs
TreeLegs
96. RE: Brothel Trap
Feb 19 2012, 3:03 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 19 2012, 3:03 AM EST
"I agree, and I apologize for having contributed to the derailment of the original thread. In the spirit of returning to the original topic, I will reiterate what I said in Post 36, "What precautions should a man take to best defend himself while he was busy humping, shagging, doing the horizontal mambo, or otherwise getting his freak on?""
I'll have to still contend that avoiding the situation is the best defence. Medusa does have a point. I've got enough things to worry about anyway than just getting my rocks off.

Personally, I find the brothel concept unsavory to say the least.
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White76Knight
White76Knight
97. RE: Brothel Trap
Feb 19 2012, 3:45 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 19 2012, 3:45 AM EST
"I'll have to still contend that avoiding the situation is the best defence. Medusa does have a point. I've got enough things to worry about anyway than just getting my rocks off.

Personally, I find the brothel concept unsavory to say the least."
Okay, well let's take the brothel out of the situation then. Maybe it's just you and your girl getting your freak on one evening while you're somewhere on the road from here to there. The end result remains the same. While you're occupied with her, and she with you, you're both a lot less likely to be as observant of your surroundings as you normally would.

Now maybe some raider creeps out of the bushes while you are thus occupied, and tries to hold you at gunpoint. And maybe your own weapon is just out of reach. So what precautions should a man take to best defend himself in that situation?
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TreeLegs
TreeLegs
98. RE: Brothel Trap
Feb 19 2012, 4:06 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 19 2012, 4:06 AM EST
"Okay, well let's take the brothel out of the situation then. Maybe it's just you and your girl getting your freak on one evening while you're somewhere on the road from here to there. The end result remains the same. While you're occupied with her, and she with you, you're both a lot less likely to be as observant of your surroundings as you normally would.

Now maybe some raider creeps out of the bushes while you are thus occupied, and tries to hold you at gunpoint. And maybe your own weapon is just out of reach. So what precautions should a man take to best defend himself in that situation?"
Who says I wouldn't be handling business with pistol in hand? Ever seen Shoot 'em Up lol?
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redcomrad
redcomrad
99. RE: Brothel Trap
Feb 19 2012, 4:23 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 19 2012, 4:23 AM EST
"you still gott the switch blade as long as you keep your <nobr>boots</nobr> on and potentially the .38 if you keep that 10 gallon hat on too, heck you don't even need to keep on the rest of your clothes. yee haw?"
as i said before have a ten gallon hat and some boots keep a gun in the hat and a switchblade in the boots you'll be safe plus I'm pretty sure the fine lady immersing herself in you is gonna be happy, girls like the cowboys
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