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IamSlowRide
IamSlowRide
80. RE: Grab and go carryall vest/chest rig.
May 9 2012, 1:53 PM EDT | Post edited: May 9 2012, 1:53 PM EDT
"Or cut plates out of cheap plastic to match the same shape."
It wouldn't be ballistic grade but you could use 16, 14 or 12 gauge cold rolled steel, flat stock aluminum, lexan (Plexiglas) to help hold the vests shape.

Just got my plate carrier, drop leg, condor belt and some other gear, waiting on various pouches I ordered, once I put it all together I will post some pictures, 3 levels of redundancy is what I'm aiming for Do you find this valuable?    
White76Knight
White76Knight
81. RE: Grab and go carryall vest/chest rig.
May 9 2012, 5:37 PM EDT | Post edited: May 9 2012, 5:37 PM EDT
"It wouldn't be ballistic grade but you could use 16, 14 or 12 gauge cold rolled steel, flat stock aluminum, lexan (Plexiglas) to help hold the vests shape."
Exactly. Depending on the material that you eventually use, it might provide some protection from melee weapons like knives, crowbars and baseball bats, but it won't do squat to stop bullets. As long as you're aware of that, however, and are mainly only using the plates to help the vest hold it's shape, then you should be good to go. Do you find this valuable?    
Dangerous_D
Dangerous_D
82. RE: Grab and go carryall vest/chest rig.
May 10 2012, 1:38 AM EDT | Post edited: May 10 2012, 1:38 AM EDT
unless its a plate carrier it dosnt have the inserts that you could slide somthing like that in. If its just a tactical vest that zips up in the front then it wont have the plate "pouches" unless you sew a insert pouch your self i guess. Do you find this valuable?    
epic_epicness
epic_epicness
83. RE: Grab and go carryall vest/chest rig.
May 10 2012, 2:54 AM EDT | Post edited: May 10 2012, 2:54 AM EDT
"Exactly. Depending on the material that you eventually use, it might provide some protection from melee weapons like knives, crowbars and baseball bats, but it won't do squat to stop bullets. As long as you're aware of that, however, and are mainly only using the plates to help the vest hold it's shape, then you should be good to go."
a friend of mine who works as a guard was using paintball plates for a while that I guess worked pretty good. The only problem that I see with the other ideas is that lvl4 ESAPI plates are about an inch thick so the pockets on regular plate carriers (like the one shown at the botom of my profile) have a large enough pocket to hold them. thats a lot of cold rolled steel, stock aluminum or crappy plastic to cram in there.

Its not a big issue and its easy to fix but I wanted to let you guys know now instead of having to discover it on your own and then end up regretting buying the carrier.

sorry DD, I think I quoted you when I meant to quote someone else. Do you find this valuable?    
Dangerous_D
Dangerous_D
84. RE: Grab and go carryall vest/chest rig.
May 10 2012, 3:37 AM EDT | Post edited: May 10 2012, 3:37 AM EDT
by the way you can buy ceramic plates off ebay for about $149 a piece Do you find this valuable?    
White76Knight
White76Knight
85. RE: Grab and go carryall vest/chest rig.
May 10 2012, 5:14 AM EDT | Post edited: May 10 2012, 5:14 AM EDT
"by the way you can buy ceramic plates off ebay for about $149 a piece "
Yeah, and how many plates does it take to fill the whole carrier? Do you find this valuable?    
IamSlowRide
IamSlowRide
86. RE: Grab and go carryall vest/chest rig.
May 10 2012, 5:33 AM EDT | Post edited: May 10 2012, 5:33 AM EDT
"Yeah, and how many plates does it take to fill the whole carrier?"
Depends on the carrier, mine has a front and back pocket and 2 side pockets, so it depends on how many you want, how heavy you can stand it being, on some plate carriers the side panels are optional Do you find this valuable?    
IamSlowRide
IamSlowRide
87. RE: Grab and go carryall vest/chest rig.
May 10 2012, 5:37 AM EDT | Post edited: May 10 2012, 5:37 AM EDT
"thats a lot of cold rolled steel, stock aluminum or crappy plastic to cram in there.

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if you were trying to achieve ballistic grade plate with cold rolled, yes you would have to stuff some thick a$ plates in there, I was merely suggesting that you could use a thin steel to help hold the carriers shape and it would be in no means ballistic grade, although it would help with CQB, blunt trauma and knife strikes. Do you find this valuable?    
Dangerous_D
Dangerous_D
88. RE: Grab and go carryall vest/chest rig.
May 10 2012, 5:51 AM EDT | Post edited: May 10 2012, 5:51 AM EDT
those cermic plates are rated for most small arms even ak 7.62 x 39 and ar .223 but the range is a major factor if there really close it may not hold. I would buy them if you got the extra cash but I wouldnt go all army of one trying to run through gun fire. Do you find this valuable?    
White76Knight
White76Knight
89. RE: Grab and go carryall vest/chest rig.
May 10 2012, 12:03 PM EDT | Post edited: May 10 2012, 12:03 PM EDT
"by the way you can buy ceramic plates off ebay for about $149 a piece"

"Depends on the carrier, mine has a front and back pocket and 2 side pockets, so it depends on how many you want, how heavy you can stand it being, on some plate carriers the side panels are optional"
So if you use them all, you're looking at about $600 worth of plates that may or may not protect you (depending on the distance from which you are shot), and which have to be replaced periodically whether you get shot or not (because those plates have an expiry date, don't they?) This is to say nothing of all the extra weight and bulk they add.

While they wouldn't stop bullets, plates of light aluminum or plastic just to help the carrier hold its shape (which WOULD protect you from blunt trauma, knives, etc) would be easier and cheaper. Do you find this valuable?    
IamSlowRide
IamSlowRide
90. RE: Grab and go carryall vest/chest rig.
May 10 2012, 1:32 PM EDT | Post edited: May 10 2012, 5:00 PM EDT
"So if you use them all, you're looking at about $600 worth of plates that may or may not protect you (depending on the distance from which you are shot), and which have to be replaced periodically whether you get shot or not (because those plates have an expiry date, don't they?) This is to say nothing of all the extra weight and bulk they add.

While they wouldn't stop bullets, plates of light aluminum or plastic just to help the carrier hold its shape (which WOULD protect you from blunt trauma, knives, etc) would be easier and cheaper."
Not sure if there was a question in there but yes and yes

EDIT: Grammar Do you find this valuable?    
epic_epicness
epic_epicness
91. RE: Grab and go carryall vest/chest rig.
May 10 2012, 2:21 PM EDT | Post edited: May 10 2012, 2:21 PM EDT
"if you were trying to achieve ballistic grade plate with cold rolled, yes you would have to stuff some thick a$ plates in there, I was merely suggesting that you could use a thin steel to help hold the carriers shape and it would be in no means ballistic grade, although it would help with CQB, blunt trauma and knife strikes."
on my carrier anything attached will sag unless the plate pockets are full so that the excess material is pulled tight . That is the way the blackhawk carrier I have is constructed. This may not be the case with other types of carriers. Do you find this valuable?    
Dangerous_D
Dangerous_D
92. RE: Grab and go carryall vest/chest rig.
May 10 2012, 2:27 PM EDT | Post edited: May 10 2012, 2:27 PM EDT
The front and back plates will run you about $349 most people only buy the front and back and no they dont have expiry dates from what Iv heard and read. Now if you use and abuses them yes you will have to replace them because a chip or crack in the armor will cause it to become weaker but just sitting in your closest untell you need to bug out will not cause it to expire I wouldnt think any ways. Do you find this valuable?    
Dangerous_D
Dangerous_D
93. RE: Grab and go carryall vest/chest rig.
May 10 2012, 2:32 PM EDT | Post edited: May 10 2012, 2:32 PM EDT
Whiteknight got me curious after he said somthing about the plates expiring this is what I found.

"In addition to rating body armor, NIJ has conducted many studies on longevity of body armor. Most manufacturers stand behind a five year warranty for body armor effectiveness. NIJ has determined that body armor does not expire, however it does age. If you are purchasing body armor that is being sold due to the "expiration date", then it is perfectly functional as long as it was stored in a cool dry location away from the elements. If the body armor is being purchased used, then the effectiveness has been diminished. Exposure to the elements and body sweat has degraded the fibers which compose the body armor panels. In most cases the body armor should still work, but remember Murphy is never on your side."

So basically if you use it every day wear and tear will cause damage to the plates that could cause it to break more easily but if you just buy them and store them for something like Z-Day then they will not "expire", Hope that helps WhiteKnight Do you find this valuable?    
Dangerous_D
Dangerous_D
94. RE: Grab and go carryall vest/chest rig.
May 10 2012, 2:48 PM EDT | Post edited: May 10 2012, 2:48 PM EDT
The highest NIJ rating that I have found on ebay and amazon witch is the only place I have found that will sell to civilians is NIJ 3 Tactical it can stop a 7.62x39 at 15 meters so about 40 feet. Now just a warning I would not be surprised if you buy these plates if you wind up on some type of watch list considering that it looks odd for some one with no military or police exprance buying this level of bullet proof plates. I found a pic of a plate that had taken 8 shots from three different guns and it still held but if you where wearing it you would be on you ass and prouble have a cracked rib it stops the bullet from killing you but the force of the bullet hitting you will still hurt like a mother fu3ker and it can and will break bones. Do you find this valuable?    
White76Knight
White76Knight
95. RE: Grab and go carryall vest/chest rig.
May 10 2012, 9:34 PM EDT | Post edited: May 10 2012, 9:34 PM EDT
"Not sure if there was a question in there but yes and yes"
LOL - Fair enough then.

@ DD - Thanks for the info, dude. I'll keep it in mind if I ever go looking for ballistic protection. Do you find this valuable?    
MrK9114
MrK9114
96. RE: Grab and go carryall vest/chest rig.
Jan 21 2013, 8:15 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 21 2013, 8:15 PM EST
Back when I was a new hk owner, I couldn't find any rigs, so I built my own.
This is a friends but I copied it.
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh599/jeffinaz/1345947292807.jpg
Now I use USGI 3mag pouches made for ARs and SURPLUS German flecktarn pattern pouches. Do you find this valuable?    
White76Knight
White76Knight
97. RE: Grab and go carryall vest/chest rig.
Jan 21 2013, 11:01 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 21 2013, 11:01 PM EST
"Back when I was a new hk owner, I couldn't find any rigs, so I built my own.
This is a friends but I copied it.
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh599/jeffinaz/1345947292807.jpg
Now I use USGI 3mag pouches made for ARs and SURPLUS German flecktarn pattern pouches."
Looks like a simple enough design to replicate. Do you find this valuable?    
MrK9114
MrK9114
98. RE: Grab and go carryall vest/chest rig.
Jan 21 2013, 11:54 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 21 2013, 11:54 PM EST
"Looks like a simple enough design to replicate."
Well no. I use a button and button hole, because its SILENT!
D rings for shoulder straps.
Oh yeah this ones for clips
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh599/jeffinaz/1346192682659.jpg


 Do you find this valuable?    
White76Knight
White76Knight
99. RE: Grab and go carryall vest/chest rig.
Jan 22 2013, 1:28 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 22 2013, 1:28 AM EST
"Well no. I use a button and button hole, because its SILENT!
D rings for shoulder straps.
Oh yeah this ones for clips
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh599/jeffinaz/1346192682659.jpg


"
So what's not simple about it? Do you find this valuable?    
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