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TreeLegs |
Trip to Town.
Feb 19 2012, 2:10 AM EST
You leave the safety of your camp that has 20 other members to go into town for some "shopping". You've taken everything of use from the outskirts nearest your camp(about 10-15 miles away)and must venture deeper into town. You park you vehicle in a concealed location and walk in by foot the rest of the way. Finding a gas station(about 1.5 miles from your vehicle)that looks lightly ransacked, you take your items and leave. Shockingly, as you leave the station, you hear a woman screaming from around back. Believeing there were no other survivors in town, you sneak a peak around the corner to see two guys and the screaming woman seperated by a chain link fence about 50 meters away. On the other side is a Zed trying to claw and bite it's way through the fence. The two men are laughing while they use her as bait for what seems to be a twisted form of amusment. Would you leave the area quietly or render assistance to the woman? You are armed with what you own and would take on such a mission. Do you find this valuable? |
Carnack |
1. RE: Trip to Town.
Feb 19 2012, 3:07 AM EST
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Get as close as I feel comfortable (watching the area as I do) and pick off the two guys from a distance then disappear.Reasoning: If there are zombies around it would be stupid to have such noisy amusment if it could draw the Zs down on you. So it may be that these guys got shorted on brains or the woman is supposed to be a lure for everyone and these men are just playacting with their people in the wings. So the second I take my shots I disappear. Yes the woman may be an innocent party but if it's just me in an unfamilar area I can't risk direct contact. If on the approach I spot lookouts then my only option is withdrawl. May end the woman's suffering from cover if a hidden escape is possible but I won't die for a mercy killing. People depend on me to gather supplies. Disappearing will entail getting to my vehicle then taking a jagged route back to camp. Possibly fitting in an overnight at another location. Can't risk leading any tails back to camp. Are there other bodies in the area? What sort of buildings are around the place? Are these men lookinbg around or are they focused on their entertainment? How long has it been since civilization cracked? Do you find this valuable? |
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TreeLegs |
2. RE: Trip to Town.
Feb 19 2012, 3:30 AM EST
"Are there other bodies in the area? What sort of buildings are around the place? Are these men lookinbg around or are they focused on their entertainment?Two pulled away by the dumpster The gas station is flanked by small buildings and the one on the other side of the fence. Nothing but focused. SUV parked nearby the fence that appears to be theirs Do you find this valuable? |
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Carnack |
3. RE: Trip to Town.
Feb 19 2012, 3:38 AM EST
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And how long since civilization collapsed? The two bodies could either be other "party favors" or the remains of the last two white knights. Any cover between the two guys and me? Does it also provide cover from the sides? Not seeing issues with the building behind the fence (on the side of the Z yes?). The SUV can mean a couple things. 1: They are not from the immediate area. 2: They may have friends. The lack of focus supports 2 as they could have some guardian angels. Do you find this valuable? |
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TreeLegs |
4. RE: Trip to Town.
Feb 19 2012, 3:55 AM EST
"And how long since civilization collapsed?3 months past Female bodies None besides the dumpster nearby and the SUV next to it. Open parking lot to the fence. 30 meter from them to the road. Yes on Z's side. Clear view of SUV One guy has a long barreled revolver and the other a shotgun with at least a 18 inch barrel and no more than 22 inches. You only hear 3 voices and it is highly unlikely that there is a fourth as the car is shut off and no driver is present. No other signs of look outs present. Do you find this valuable? |
redcomrad |
5. RE: Trip to Town.
Feb 19 2012, 4:14 AM EST
"You leave the safety of your camp that has 20 other members to go into town for some "shopping". You've taken everything of use from the outskirts nearest your camp(about 10-15 miles away)and must venture deeper into town. You park you <nobr>vehicle</nobr> in a concealed location and walk in by foot the rest of the way. Finding a gas station(about 1.5 miles from your vehicle)that looks lightly ransacked, you take your items and leave.on a mission like this a scouting party of mine would include 4 people plus an extra 5th person to be a driver me and the other 3 guys would bring 30-06 rifles and maybe have one of the guys bring a pump action shotgun. I would do what Carnack does and snipe the guys, but do not get contact and drive to a safe place in a jagged path away from my camp and stay hidden for at least a day. I may if there is no other enemys try to loot their stuff and possibly their truck. and maybe the female to if shes pretty. Do you find this valuable? |
Braydonn |
6. RE: Trip to Town.
Feb 19 2012, 6:01 AM EST
I wouldn't really be able to do anything to save the girl or take out the guys. So I would probably just bail back to camp or continue scavenging the city. I suppose if I had to save the girl I would probably try to create a distraction that could separate the two men and try and take them out one at a time instead of dealing with them both at once. Or if the distraction drew both their attention I could sneak through and cut my way through the wire fence (Presuming that we are scavenging, I would always carry some sort of wire cutters.) And hopefully (but very doubtfully) cut her out and escape. Since I don't own a firearm my chances of saving her are significantly lower than all of you guys, if I did however own a firearm I would probably still just leave them and continue scavenging or leave the area all together. I just re-read that and I literally laughed out loud, man I would die so quickly if I did that. Not to mention I didn't address the zombie. If I didn't have to tangle with the activities at hand I would just walk away. If you *HAD* to save the girl, without using firearms, how would you do it? Do you find this valuable? |
Filadog |
7. RE: Trip to Town.
Feb 19 2012, 7:15 AM EST
I would like to know more about the woman,...like is she young, well built and attractive ? I would have my AR with it's eotech sight and think it would be pretty easy to shoot the two guys with out much danger to myself so probably would do that. If possiable would try to observe to make sure what is going on...who knows maybe this is how they attract zombies so they can shoot them. You kill the 2 guys and the girl pulls out a gun and shoots you for killing her Dad and Brother, If it looks like it really is what it first looked like then I would shoot the guys and take thier supplys and the woman Do you find this valuable? |
Oakspar77777 |
8. RE: Trip to Town.
Feb 19 2012, 8:54 AM EST
1) We would not be going in on foot. If we have gas to go, we drive up to the door. No reason to take a pack full when you can load a truck or van.2) The two guys should be outnumbered by your group. A scavenge group should be at least 3, preferably 6 guys. 3) A lot is going to depend upon your needs. Is this woman going to be an asset or a liability? Would the two men be a better asset for your group? If you have survived to this point, you have likely had to kill people before - men and women - as the refugees swarmed out of the cities. The main thing I want to see dead is the zed on the other side of the fence. 4) So, if my group is male heavy and another female would help balance our numbers, if she seems to be healthy and of age (a female outside of the 5 to 55 year range is only a liability), it might be prudent to take them out. Send one guy around one corner of the building, one on the other, and two on the roof. First shot into the guy with the shotgun to signal the other two shooters to hit the other guy and the zed. Second roof shooter to keep a lookout for any others of their group. With shots fired, the two on the ground will pound pavement to scoop up the girl and the weapons while the other two dismount the roof. Within 2 mins we should be on the road out. Possibly with a new SUV and whatever gear they had stored within. Do you find this valuable? |
timberrattler |
9. RE: Trip to Town.
Feb 19 2012, 10:15 AM EST
First off and with all due respect nobody should ever go out scavenging alone if at all possible. That would be a dangerous job and having numbers would go a long way towards getting everyone and the much needed supplies back to the base safely.Of my two ARs my lightweight carbine would be the one to go on scavenging trips. So, I'm going to say I'd have the advantage over these two if I had the drop on them. Problem is that often times things aren't what they seem. You'd have to be judge, jury and executioner without all the facts and on the assumption that these guys were up to no good. What if this chick was "the high queen b^tch from hell" and had shot both of these guys wives in the legs so she could get away from the zombies. Hey, it happened on TV so... 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
LJ126 |
10. RE: Trip to Town.
Feb 19 2012, 11:37 AM EST
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If I were alone, it would mean that I was truly alone, because if there was anybody else who could accompany me they'd be doing so. Even if it were only a young child - at the minimum, it's an opportunity to start training my protégé anyway. Side note: The Apache had a neat trick to keep their young warriors in training quiet; they'd put a rock or a mouthful of water in the kids' mouth. This makes you learn to communicate with signals, quietly. An added benefit in the desert is that it trains you to breathe exclusively through your nose, which reduces exhausted water vapor from your breath. Two birds, one "stone." That said, if for some Godforsaken reason I were totally alone whilst scavenging, and I saw a person in distress, I would probably stand-off and watch what was going on from cover. I have no obligation to intervene. I do not know the circumstances of the situation, nor do I have adequate intelligence about my potential adversaries and I'm not about to bite off more than I can chew by picking a fight with a visibly numerically superior opponent. I don't know but what they've got five other guys sitting quietly in a Jeep parked a quarter-block away. Remember the old adage about living by the sword? It often has unintended consequences. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
TheEmperorsChosen |
11. RE: Trip to Town.
Feb 19 2012, 12:32 PM EST
If at all possible i would make it a point to gather more intelligence. I , as well as many of the the other veterans, have experience in built up urban areas. there are signs you can look for to see if a building is occupied, and most likely these people are not highly trained soldiers... most likely, they wouldn't be using the woman as such a noisy lure. so the best thing to do is A.)find some cover AND concealment in a building at least 100 meters from the gas station that is at least the same height or has a wide field of view. set up shop in one of the rooms facing the target area but make sure you are at least 10 feet back inside the room and move with the shadow. watch and wait, to be honest i would never leave my compound without the very least of 3 other people and radios. i wouldnt use a scoped weapon for surveillance because if its just me, after about 30 minutes or so you develop scope eye.if it seems as the women is truly in trouble and the guys are just morons then i mark the position, head back to base, grab up at least 3 fire teams in 3 seperate vehicles cordon the area, set up marksmen to cover the surrounding buildings and ME and a fire team would move in to secure the woman and dust off the idiots, the other fireteam would set about clearing the surrounding area of Zeds, or possible combatants.Do you find this valuable? |
badderthanbond |
12. RE: Trip to Town.
Feb 19 2012, 12:57 PM EST
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Ok so since it sounds like id be by myself based on the OP, I would have to look at it a lot the same as emperor. The problem there is that there's a good chance by the time you travel 40 miles she'll be gone or dead. Which means that for all intents and purposes, you are outnumbered and need to make a more immediate decision IF you decide to help her. On a scouting mission there is a chance I might not even have a rifle because it could slow me down, especially if I'm there to grab a lot of supplies. Even on a sling, a rifle would impede that. And while I wouldn't go alone, it sounds as if the person in this scenario did. So I would probably have a custom Colt 1911 in a holster and possibly a Sig 229 as a backup because of higher capacity. So I'd be outnumbered and honestly outgunned. If I decided to help, I could hit them from about 50 yards, but not at the same time. So I'd hit the guy with the shotgun first and then hide. Hopefully the panic would give the girl a chance to run, but if It didn't and I still had a shot I would hit him. I would think the second guy would be focused on escaping in the suv, so he'd probably open himself up when he opened the door. I would leave after that because I wouldn't really trust a new person in my group. Helping would be a risk, though. I'd watch long enough to know she was innocent. Edit: I forgot I drove part of the way. I'd at least have my AR in the truck, so I'd probably jog the mile and a half to the vehicle and get that before I did anything. If the guys had their backs turned I think I could hit them both with the pistol quickly enough. I guess it'd depend Do you find this valuable? |
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TheEmperorsChosen |
13. RE: Trip to Town.
Feb 19 2012, 1:12 PM EST
dont remember anything being said about 40 miles.... and i know i can cover 20 miles in 10 minutes if speeding and law were not an issue, thats the only reason i explore the whole, go back and get more troops thing. as for weaponry, i dont carry a sidearm. just more ammo.Do you find this valuable? |
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TheEmperorsChosen |
14. RE: Trip to Town.
Feb 19 2012, 1:17 PM EST
dont remember anything being said about 40 miles.... and i know i can cover 20 miles in 10 minutes if speeding and law were not an issue, thats the only reason i explore the whole, go back and get more troops thing. as for weaponry, i dont carry a sidearm. just more ammo. not only that but i never dismount without weaponry. id use my vehicle as an OP for when i bring up reserves and the current 7 by 7 square would be our operations area.Do you find this valuable? |
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badderthanbond |
15. RE: Trip to Town.
Feb 19 2012, 1:32 PM EST
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I forgot I drove, like I said in the edit. And I'm on my phone so I can't see the whole thread but If everything in 10-15 miles is gone, I was assuming 20 back to camp and then back to the site again. That'd be 40. Even driving, after first waking back to the vehicle, it would be a while before you got back. Probably too long. The tactical consideration would be that if you know the men are hostile you should take them out while you had he drop instead of waiting and giving them the chance to surprise your camp later
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JunkCollector |
16. RE: Trip to Town.
Feb 19 2012, 1:32 PM EST
I would take a covered position, and using my AR shoot the man closest to cover, then his friend. Leaving the zombie(s) to kill next.Go over and release the girl, get her in the SUV, strip the men of weapons and ammo.. Take the SUV and toss as much as I can find from the gas station. Drive to my vehicle, load it up, and give the girl the choice of coming with me or taking the SUV with a gun, food, and water, to go on her own way. Go back to camp. In a couple of days come back with more vehicles and more people so we don't have to keep running back and fourth. Do you find this valuable? |
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TreeLegs |
17. RE: Trip to Town.
Feb 19 2012, 2:00 PM EST
" I would like to know more about the woman,...like is she young, well built and attractive ?"More intel... Woman: Around 18-25 5'5" 125lbs Man 1 Around 25-30 6'2" 210lbs Shotgun slung on his back. Man 2 Around 30-35 5'11" 180lbs Has long barreled, double action revolver in a hip holster on his right side. She has a slender build with short brunet hair. Looks like she is sporting a black eye on the left side of her face. You notice that Man 1 is restraining her while Man 2 keeps putting her hand near the fence and snatching it away when the zed gets close. They are laughing while she begs them to stop. Occasionally, Man 1 slaps her for not cooperating. You here Man 1 say as he hits the woman again, that, "There ain't anybody else out here, but me, you and Ted so scream all you want." He grabs her by her hair and points it towards the dumpster. "Ask them. Screaming didn't help them none." Man 1 says before slapping her hard and returning to his amusement. Do you find this valuable? |
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zombie0human156 |
18. RE: Trip to Town.
Feb 19 2012, 2:24 PM EST
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I would use my 30-06 to take out the man with the revoler first because he can draw and fire faster. Then shoot the second man with the shotgun. go over release the girl get her to the suv. Grab the guns from the dead men and search the bodies for ammo and supplies. Use melee weapons to kill the zombies If possible.
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badderthanbond |
19. RE: Trip to Town.
Feb 19 2012, 2:51 PM EST
Long barreled revolvers are slow draws from the hip, and the guy with the shotgun wouldn't be able to access it quickly enough either, so i would probably go for it with or without the rifle. Partly based on the conversation. I don't like men who hit women. End of the world wouldn't change that
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