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TreeLegs
TreeLegs
What About Your Toes...
Mar 9 2012, 1:21 AM EST | Post edited: Mar 9 2012, 1:21 AM EST
And your feet for that matter? I went shoe shopping today because I've finally wore holes in the soles of my Nikes and through a series of fortunate events (like living next to the police officer supply store) and I bought a pair of 5.11 ATAC 6" Zip's. I picked these because I wanted footware I could wear probably 95% of the time without looking like a para-military member and still have a tough dependable shoe if I have to beat feet out of Dodge.

I hear all about every other piece of gear you can own on this site, but I've never heard anyone discuss EDFW (Every Day Foot Wear) for when SHTF. Since your life is going to depend on if your feet stay safe, what is everyone else out there doing to solve this issue?
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RainofMails
RainofMails
1. RE: What About Your Toes...
Mar 9 2012, 1:24 AM EST | Post edited: Mar 9 2012, 1:24 AM EST
I have some tall zip-up black leather boots. They look a little tactical, but most of my other stuff doesn't. They're comfortable and sturdy, which is what matters most to me. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
renet76
renet76
2. RE: What About Your Toes...
Mar 9 2012, 1:44 AM EST | Post edited: Mar 9 2012, 1:44 AM EST
my footwear post SHTF will be the same as what i wear at work boiler boots
made from leather sewn together with kevlar thread and rated to give protection up to 300deg Celsius

They are actually very comfortable to wear as the have a nice innersole to reduce fatigue from wearing them for 12 hour shifts

they have a steel toe cap to protect your toes from crushing injuries if some thing heavy should drop on them and they also have a steel plate insert that covers the top of your foot for the same reason the way they are designed they are still very flexible and i use them all the time at home for every thing from working in the garden to bush walking

i have a lot of spare pairs of them as every day we have to inspect our boots before using them and if there is the slightest bit of damage to the thread or leather we are forbidden from using them and must be issued with a new pair and the old ones we can bin them or take them home its up to us
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LJ126
LJ126
3. RE: What About Your Toes...
Mar 9 2012, 2:20 AM EST | Post edited: Mar 9 2012, 2:36 AM EST
I've touched on footwear a few times, but we're about due in for another thread on the topic. To quote myself on one occasion

Thread: Basic of Basics! - post #3
"...One piece of EDC gear that most people don't think out is their shoes. Flip flops, while comfortable and light weight, provide zero support and protection, and have little to no tread on them. Sandals are slightly better, but not much. Tennis shoes often lack durability, but they're comfortable. IMO, the ultimate day-to-day shoe is the trail runners shoe or a medium weight hiking boot."

I feel EXACTLY the same on this topic as I did four-and-a-half years ago when I first joined the site. IMO, hiking shoes and medium weight hiking boots are still the best survival shoes. They're low-profile (unlike the contractor standard sand combat boots), comfortable, capable and are specifically designed for high intensity, long duration wear. It's the off-road tire of the shoe world.

If I leave the house, unless I'm A) working out; B) in a rapid emergency crisis and I'm barefoot, like today when I had to get my boy to the ER due to a terrible, concussive fall; or C) I'm just going to get the mail or take out the trash, I am wearing hiking boots. Seriously, 99% of the time I'm wearing shoes, they're hikers. I wear them out pretty quickly; a good pair lasts me about a year. I prefer to retire them before they're totally kaput (at about 25% remaining life) because I can set them aside and they're *perfectly* broken in when I need them but have enough tread to be handy, while I break in their replacements. Midlife is the ideal time to place them in your kit.

Just as important is sock selection. I like light- and medium weight wool socks, even in hot AO. The padding and wicking qualities make them far more comfortable, even if they're a tad warmer than cotton or polyester. Sock liners rock too.
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LJ126
LJ126
4. RE: What About Your Toes...
Mar 9 2012, 2:24 AM EST | Post edited: Mar 9 2012, 2:25 AM EST
Not to get too far off topic, but another item newbie survivalists neglect/ignore are quality belts. Anyone who carries a gun knows what I'm talking about, but especially the guys who carry big handguns. A real belt is a necessity for survivalists. I like leather, but not all leather is adequate... gotta get a good belt if you want it to be durable enough. Web belts are generally good, but limited by the clasp or buckle mechanism. Get good stuff, don't skimp. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
thomas13mike
thomas13mike
5. RE: What About Your Toes...
Mar 9 2012, 3:04 AM EST | Post edited: Mar 9 2012, 3:04 AM EST
"And your feet for that matter? I went shoe shopping today because I've finally wore holes in the soles of my Nikes and through a series of fortunate events (like living next to the police officer supply store) and I bought a pair of 5.11 ATAC 6" Zip's. I picked these because I wanted footware I could wear probably 95% of the time without looking like a para-military member and still have a tough dependable shoe if I have to beat feet out of Dodge.

I hear all about every other piece of gear you can own on this site, but I've never heard anyone discuss EDFW (Every Day Foot Wear) for when SHTF. Since your life is going to depend on if your feet stay safe, what is everyone else out there doing to solve this issue?"
I knew it'd take a army guy to bring up foot care LOL. I've still got my hitecs that look non tactical enough as long as some pants are covering them up. If you're going to invest in some SHTF boots have them broke in before you gotta start hiking. Have at least 2 pairs of anti bacterial lined socks for each day you've packed for and change them every 12 hours even more if you go through water. And powder. Sounds like overkill but I think Tree and the other military guys in here will agree there's nothing more painful short of being shot then a case of jungle rot.
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FrankLeeDeRainged
FrankLeeDeRainged
6. RE: What About Your Toes...
Mar 9 2012, 6:51 AM EST | Post edited: Mar 9 2012, 6:51 AM EST
http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47083

These are the only footwear I've possessed for decades now, apart from the flip-flops I use in the bathroom. The uppers are heavily padded. This necessary due to me repeatedly smashing my ankles in youth/action sports which leaves me extremely vulnerable to arthritis and if I break either ankle again I will have osteoporosis! So heavy duty protection against damp and more accidents.

The thing about them is the Bundeswehr issues these boots fresh, before anyone jumps out of an airplane (they are paratroop boots) so if a unit is training they might put two new pairs on in a single day, which go directly to MilSurp after one use. And being as I don't habitually 'jump out of perfectly serviceable aircraft' I get a solid years use before they start showing the strain of continues use.

If I can find a store with a supply I buy 2 or 3 pairs because they can be very difficult to find. Especially if there are conflicts in Europe when they are bought by the thousand by Serbian or Chechen militias.

Next and equally important are the long Defender brand socks and white cotton sports sock in those. The cotton socks mean the heavy wool sock last much longer and if you think all that is excessive I invite you to Google 'Trench-foot' 'cos you will be appalled at how few bright sides there are to that form of gangrene. Especially how quickly it can do permanent damage.
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shadowmancer
shadowmancer
7. RE: What About Your Toes...
Mar 9 2012, 7:40 AM EST | Post edited: Mar 9 2012, 7:45 AM EST
Lots of socks in uncountable numbers. Change them regularly to avoid rotting my feet off in the mud or from accumulated moisture, your feet need to breath too. I don't want to get trench foot. My winter boots are lined with sealskin, which is warm and soft for the winter and will keep my feet dry. My hunting boots breathable yet water resistant but those comercial products will eventually wear out. I will harden leather for soles and make sealskin/fur and moose skin boots. Warm and will keep my feet dry. I can knit so can make more socks...... even though i have a life time supply of black tube socks...... lol

I will be saying a big ol erm bugger off to P.E.T.A. with my nice dry animal sourced moccasins muclucks and boots.
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Zee-Man
Zee-Man
8. RE: What About Your Toes...
Mar 9 2012, 8:19 AM EST | Post edited: Mar 9 2012, 8:19 AM EST
Sears Roebucks are my EDFW. Strong leather uppers. Stitching is reliable. The treads are well bonded to the sole. The treads are flexible enough to get a grip on inclined surfaces, hard enough to endure regular abrasion. The insets are comfortable though lacking the extra support I prefer. The steel toe is not very noticeable.

Im constantly squatting and folding my feet under me, so the lace hooks take a beating. These tend to go before any other part of the shoe. Sometimes I drill the eyelet out so I can lace it, sometimes I get them replaced.

The treads last me about a year of daily walking on roofs. I wear these for work and for hiking. I can step ankle deep into water and my feet stay dry.

I am like shadowmancer, lots of socks, change them often.

I have a pair of sneakers too, but only use them to go out in. A pair of dressy cowboy boots for formal wear, these I would never want in a bug out.
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timberrattler
timberrattler
9. RE: What About Your Toes...
Mar 9 2012, 8:31 AM EST | Post edited: Mar 9 2012, 8:31 AM EST
You've brought up something here that is on my mind everyday now.

I've put a lot of miles on my feet in my lifetime and its showing now that I'm in my forties. I was having a lot of pain and burning in my feet and I toughed it out and ignored it and went on thinking it would go away. Recently I made my way to the doctor when I couldn't take it anymore and was diagnoised with tarsal tunnel syndrome.

Now I'm facing surgery if conservative therapy doesn't help. My podiatrist said it was due to how my feet were made and the fact that I waited so long before I sought help. A good set of work boots and some orthanics would have corrected this if I hadn't put it off so long.

Take care of your feet boys. They're the only pair you're ever going to get.
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LWJ2009
LWJ2009
10. RE: What About Your Toes...
Mar 9 2012, 9:24 AM EST | Post edited: Mar 9 2012, 9:24 AM EST
Lowa Renegades, some of the best day to day wear boots on the market. That is all I wear after I hit the gym. Do you find this valuable?    
MCS81
MCS81
11. RE: What About Your Toes...
Mar 9 2012, 12:29 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 9 2012, 12:29 PM EST
This is a really interesting topic to me as I recently realised SHTF footwear is something my kit is lacking. I have a couple pairs of formal shoes, a couple pairs of trainers (all in good condition) and somewhere I have an old pair of hiking boots but I think I lent them out at some point as I can't find them anywhere. I'm looking to replace the boots with something similar but dropping £100+ on a pair of 'just in case' boots isn't an option. What I need is a SHTF footwear that I can wear day to day without rising eyebrows.

German paraboots seem to be recommended again and again throughout my research and I'm very tempted by them but I'm just not sure what impression that would give walking into my local pub wearing those. They don't look overtly military but I'm not sure you could mistake them for a fashion shoe at all!

I think something like a fell running shoe might be the answer, they look like a trainer but are built for much more challenging use. Along the same lines a hiking shoe offers much the same benefits but from what I can tell are hardier and better waterproofed, the trade off being they're heavier and less stylish.

To bring something to this thread other than 'I want new shoes!' - Break in new boots. Seriously. Do not attempt to do any distance in brand new boots. Wear them around the house as much as you can to soften and shape them to your feet. Be sure to wear the kind of socks you'll be wearing on the trail. If you feel pinching, rubbing, or pain right away, take those boots back. At this point you'll be glad you kept them indoors as they'll be mint condition and there wont be any issues returning them. If they still feel good, wear them out for a short walk. Gradually increase the distance and time you wear your new boots, until eventually you can go for a long hike with a pack on your back.
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JunkCollector
JunkCollector
12. RE: What About Your Toes...
Mar 9 2012, 12:35 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 9 2012, 12:38 PM EST
I wear Red Wing slip on work boots (cowboy-work boots), with steel toes, every time I leave the house. I got use to them when I worked operating heavy equipment and in factories over the past decades.

I have two pair now, the old but good ones and the new ones I am breaking in, that I got from last Christmas.

I will carry at least 2 pairs of socks in my BOB, but I have 36 pair in my BOL (house).

A good thick real leather belt is never a bad thing. For my bug out and range load out I use a very heavy leather belt.
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Sullivan714
Sullivan714
13. RE: What About Your Toes...
Mar 9 2012, 12:52 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 9 2012, 12:52 PM EST
I bought some Ozark Trail boots from Walmart a while back for a trip to New England. For $39 I really didn't expect them to hold up but it was what I could afford at the time.

I went out with my dad to the backyard wooded area to practice firing at a paper target. While I was out there, I stepped in marshy sludge like ground, tripped on logs, at one point had my whole boot underwater for about 10 minutes while loading a magazine. I also rolled my ankle a few times but the stiffness of the boot kept it from being injured. When I took off my boots my feet were completely dry.

I'd like to buy another pair sometime soon. They're great boots.
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CDSm101-800s
CDSm101-800s
14. RE: What About Your Toes...
Mar 9 2012, 1:55 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 9 2012, 1:55 PM EST
"I've touched on footwear a few times, but we're about due in for another thread on the topic. To quote myself on one occasion

Thread: Basic of Basics! - post #3
"...One piece of EDC gear that most people don't think out is their shoes. Flip flops, while comfortable and light weight, provide zero support and protection, and have little to no tread on them. Sandals are slightly better, but not much. Tennis shoes often lack durability, but they're comfortable. IMO, the ultimate day-to-day shoe is the trail runners shoe or a medium weight hiking boot."

I feel EXACTLY the same on this topic as I did four-and-a-half years ago when I first joined the site. IMO, hiking shoes and medium weight hiking boots are still the best survival shoes. They're low-profile (unlike the contractor standard sand combat boots), comfortable, capable and are specifically designed for high intensity, long duration wear. It's the off-road tire of the shoe world.

If I leave the house, unless I'm A) working out; B) in a rapid emergency crisis and I'm barefoot, like today when I had to get my boy to the ER due to a terrible, concussive fall; or C) I'm just going to get the mail or take out the trash, I am wearing hiking boots. Seriously, 99% of the time I'm wearing shoes, they're hikers. I wear them out pretty quickly; a good pair lasts me about a year. I prefer to retire them before they're totally kaput (at about 25% remaining life) because I can set them aside and they're *perfectly* broken in when I need them but have enough tread to be handy, while I break in their replacements. Midlife is the ideal time to place them in your kit.

Just as important is sock selection. I like light- and medium weight wool socks, even in hot AO. The padding and wicking qualities make them far more comfortable, even if they're a tad warmer than cotton or polyester. Sock liners rock too."
Agreed!
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CDSm101-800s
CDSm101-800s
15. RE: What About Your Toes...
Mar 9 2012, 2:01 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 9 2012, 2:01 PM EST
I totally agree with breaking in the boots before you hike with them.

I would also recommend carrying an extra set of laces for them in the BOB. The laces can be used for other things as well.

My footwear problem is already solved, and I have have an extra pair of boots strapped to the BOB. Actually my BOB contains a complete set of clothing. I can literally step out of the shower and grab the BOB and run. Tho I hope not.. with my luck it would be a false alarm and get picked up by the police for streaking.. lol.
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=jesse=
=jesse=
16. RE: What About Your Toes...
Mar 9 2012, 2:23 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 9 2012, 2:23 PM EST
I have a pair of good leather boots. I use them for day to day and for hiking.

I can't underestimate how important toe space is for me. I used to have a serious issue with ingrown toenails on my big toe. Doc kept messing up the procedure and ended up needing a pretty intensive surgery (google image it, you'll get the idea).
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TreeLegs
TreeLegs
17. RE: What About Your Toes...
Mar 9 2012, 2:50 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 9 2012, 2:50 PM EST
"I totally agree with breaking in the boots before you hike with them.

I would also recommend carrying an extra set of laces for them in the BOB. The laces can be used for other things as well.

My footwear problem is already solved, and I have have an extra pair of boots strapped to the BOB. Actually my BOB contains a complete set of clothing. I can literally step out of the shower and grab the BOB and run. Tho I hope not.. with my luck it would be a false alarm and get picked up by the police for streaking.. lol."
Actually, that's part of the reason I wove a piece of 550 cord on to my keychain. It's long enough to replace a full length boot lace just in case I blow one out. Trying to walk miles in a boot without a lace is something you will only do once.

I also have a bunch of clothes in my BOB. I pretty much set mine up like a 3-5 day pack I used during my deployment. It adds a little more bulk, but I'd rather know I don't have to sit around in damaged or soaking wet clothing if something happens.

Jesse brings up a good point. Fitting of the boot is highly important. Too tight or too lose can really ruin your day quick. Blisters will start much quicker with improper fitting. Your socks have a big thing to do with that also. What we used to do is either wear our super thin Class A socks or even short pantyhose over our feet and then socks over that. They take most of the abrasions off your feet and make walking long distances so much more comfortable.
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redcomrad
redcomrad
18. RE: What About Your Toes...
Mar 10 2012, 2:32 AM EST | Post edited: Mar 10 2012, 2:32 AM EST
"Not to get too far off topic, but another item newbie survivalists neglect/ignore are quality belts. Anyone who carries a gun knows what I'm talking about, but especially the guys who carry big handguns. A real belt is a necessity for survivalists. I like leather, but not all leather is adequate... gotta get a good belt if you want it to be durable enough. Web belts are generally good, but limited by the clasp or buckle mechanism. Get good stuff, don't skimp."
uh oh i use suspenders.....I'm screwed. but since i don't use guns i have no need for that the most ill carry as a weapon would probably be melee like a machete or spear, and just a suggestion if you need a belt you can get a rope or a piece of thick sheet would be useful as a belt.
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thomas13mike
thomas13mike
19. RE: What About Your Toes...
Mar 10 2012, 3:07 AM EST | Post edited: Mar 10 2012, 3:07 AM EST
"Actually, that's part of the reason I wove a piece of 550 cord on to my keychain. It's long enough to replace a full length boot lace just in case I blow one out. Trying to walk miles in a boot without a lace is something you will only do once.

I also have a bunch of clothes in my BOB. I pretty much set mine up like a 3-5 day pack I used during my deployment. It adds a little more bulk, but I'd rather know I don't have to sit around in damaged or soaking wet clothing if something happens.

Jesse brings up a good point. Fitting of the boot is highly important. Too tight or too lose can really ruin your day quick. Blisters will start much quicker with improper fitting. Your socks have a big thing to do with that also. What we used to do is either wear our super thin Class A socks or even short pantyhose over our feet and then socks over that. They take most of the abrasions off your feet and make walking long distances so much more comfortable. "
I've got a 100 foot roll of 550 cord in my bag that i'll cut a piece off of if i need a new lace. There's nothing more miserable then being cold and wet. Cold is bad enough I always tried to carry 2 sets of everything for each day we were going to be out.
We used that pantyhose trick as well to stop blisters. I saw guys have blisters the size of quarters on their heels from not listening to tricks like that.
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