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LeviEstock |
Secondary Weapon Choices for Z-Day
Mar 19 2012, 3:01 AM EDT
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As we all know (or should know) there are three basic weapon categories for any tactical setup/kit. Your Primary, Secondary, and Melee. Now this thread is for Secondary weapons and Secondary weapons ONLY. If it takes two hands to fire it is a Primary and if it is a hand to hand weapon it is a melee (obviously). What is your personal weapon of choice for when Z-Day hits and why? Will it be a 22. revolver, or a 50. Desert Eagle? My personal preference is the Springfield 9mm XDm with a 4.5 in. barrel pistol. Some of the goodies that make this pistol perfect is 1. It's 9mm, although available in multiple calibers, 9mm is by far the MOST available and commonly used ammunition to the civilian public. Chances are if you strip ammo off any bodies Post Z-Day, it's going to be 9mm. 2. The XDm utilizes a Minimal Reset Trigger with the shortest travel of any currently available polymer pistol along with a similarly short reset which keeps you on target with greater ease for faster, more accurate follow-up shots. 3. A 4.5 in. Match Grade barrel ensures deadly accurate fire. Although 3.8, 4.5, and 5.25 in. barrel lengths are available, I feel 4.5 is the best bet. The 5.25 competition model is actually 5 oz. lighter than the 4.5, however, most average people will agree 4.5 is plenty long enough and an extra .75 in. of barrel can be tough to unholster in a tight spot. Besides, the 5 oz. difference is noticeable only to truly trained hands. 4. Mold-Tru Backstraps provide you the ability to quickly change the size of the grip for personal comfort/effectiveness. 5. Finally the case, this rugged case is as durable as the XDm it houses and can be re-tasked to protect any number of items. It is big enough to house a laptop (if you have the need Mr. Scientist) and comes packed with goodies to include a lock cable, bore brush, polymer paddle holster, polymer dual magazine holster, polymer magazine loader, extra backstraps and two 19 round magazines!
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LJ126 |
1. RE: Secondary Weapon Choices for Z-Day
Mar 19 2012, 3:28 AM EDT
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I don't necessarily think that the handgun is relegated solely to "secondary" status. For those of us living in urban areas, in most disaster and SHTF situations, the ability to conceal a handgun makes it an ideal primary weapon choice. Decidedly, a rifle or shotgun is a better fighting tool, but they can't be attached to your hip at all times, and they're hardly concealable. But I'm beating a drum I've already beaten, even recently...http://www.zombiesurvivalwiki.com/thread/4864813/The+Best+General-Purpose+Survival+Firearm+is+a+Good+Handgun. (Again, the title of the thread is a bit tongue-in-cheek, but the message is still the same.) Personally, I'm a fan of concealment handguns because I'm an advocate of the low-profile "Grey Man" philosophy. Sure, big pistols (like your XDm) can be concealed, but it's not particularly easy to do, nor is it comfortable. That said, I don't mind carrying big guns, but I'm used to it, having been doing the CCW thing for some time now. I still prefer carrying a slimmer handgun when I can. For the longest time, I carried a Bulgarian Makarov PM as my CCW. I used a Falco IWB holster. The handgun is still in my gun safe back home in STL, as it didn't make the move to Texas with me. Right now, I'm using Maricely's Mauser M2 .45 for CCW as my Missouri CCW permit is reciprocated here. While the latter is a lot more firepower (yes, my GF's handgun is bigger than mine!) I would prefer carrying my Makarov, as it's more comfortable and easier to conceal. Once it gets down here, I'll probably carry that until Cely obtains her carry permit, at which point I'll let her carry it if she prefers it. PS: Welcome to the site, compliment inbound. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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2. RE: Secondary Weapon Choices for Z-Day
Mar 19 2012, 6:09 AM EDT
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I think I should stick to my primary and melee. I am a horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible shot with a pistol.The only pistols I have are quite old and I could only use my Luger(s) P08 or my walther P38 they're relics and I've only just started learning on the P38. All my pistols are grandfathered in so they beat the ban, I am Canadian afterall. I think I may have to kludge some kind of a hand crossbow together or something because I doubt my slingshot would count or work in that role and my marshmellow gun would not be too useful. Honestly it never occured to me that I could actually shot these guns until I came here as they have no hunting value. -edited for typos and clarity and more horribles- Do you find this valuable? |
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3. RE: Secondary Weapon Choices for Z-Day
Mar 19 2012, 6:44 AM EDT
My secondary is a .22 pistol that's locked up in the cellar right now . . . not sure what kind. I hope to buy one of my own soon, though . . .
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LeviEstock |
4. RE: Secondary Weapon Choices for Z-Day
Mar 19 2012, 6:56 AM EDT
A very valid point. I suppose it really comes down to the mission set, which I neglected to specify. A good quality handgun can be a primary weapon and actually be of choice if planning to deal with a controlled small urban area. Such as making a quick run for supplies. However my training has always geared me toward preparing for the worst ie human and zombie opponents. I would rather take a carbine rifle or similar to handle whatever may come as if the the SHTF you can dump and go to your sidearm if needed. No one wants to leave a weapon behind and you don't HAVE to. However proper planning should ensure you have more than one primary stocked at camp. Again, ideally. But def, for a quiet recon or scavenge, a good side arm would get the job done just fine. As far as concealment, I'm much less for diplomacy as I am intimidation, lol. Then again thats why people like you and I would work well, one to handle the delicacies when needed, and the other for when overwhelming force is desired, haha
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renet76 |
5. RE: Secondary Weapon Choices for Z-Day
Mar 19 2012, 6:58 AM EDT
My secondary weapon is also my primary weapon S&W M&PL 9mm I prefer discretion at the best of the times and will defiantly want even more discretion on day zero when the zeds start walking as i don't want any more attention from people then is possible plus i don want a soldier or police officer to come up and take my long arm if they feel they need it Do you find this valuable? |
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6. RE: Secondary Weapon Choices for Z-Day
Mar 19 2012, 7:45 AM EDT
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My secondary is a Taurus .357 revolver. A big stainless steel wheelgun with a 6" barrel which is pretty much a clone of a Colt Python. I'm not that much into handguns in all honesty. I look a lot but the price of the dang things, even the .22s always puts me off.I look at a $1200 Kimber and think, man, I could buy a good pump shotgun, a hunting rifle and accesories for both guns for that. I have looked at a few polymer offerings that are not over-priced and I like the quaility and value of Rock Island's 1911s. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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7. RE: Secondary Weapon Choices for Z-Day
Mar 19 2012, 11:03 AM EDT
My Springfield XD45 with 4inch barrel.I use the factory holster and magazine holster. I like both of them, never felt a need to change em out. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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LeviEstock |
8. RE: Secondary Weapon Choices for Z-Day
Mar 19 2012, 11:04 AM EDT
I can tell you first hand that RI makes an excellent 1911. Your right great bang for your buck. I suggest (Im not hawking them, just own one) doing some reasearch and shooting a XDm they have multiple calibers in multiple sizes abd it truly is a superior weapon even if you are a novice shooter. the price is amazing once you factor in the quality of the firearm and the accessories that come with. Hell the cases alone has got to be worth at least 100 bucks. Keep us posted on where you lean in your search. I wouldn't recommend buying any firearm unless you have shot it though, if possible
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9. RE: Secondary Weapon Choices for Z-Day
Mar 19 2012, 11:16 AM EDT
I just bought a Dlask 1911 (buy Canadian) so I would use that as my secondary, I do own a 9mm Glock, but I'd give that to the gf.Shadow, you lucky SOB Do you find this valuable? |
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10. RE: Secondary Weapon Choices for Z-Day
Mar 19 2012, 11:18 AM EDT
"I can tell you first hand that RI makes an excellent 1911. Your right great bang for your buck. I suggest (Im not hawking them, just own one) doing some reasearch and shooting a XDm they have multiple calibers in multiple sizes abd it truly is a superior weapon even if you are a novice shooter. the price is amazing once you factor in the quality of the firearm and the accessories that come with. Hell the cases alone has got to be worth at least 100 bucks. Keep us posted on where you lean in your search. I wouldn't recommend buying any firearm unless you have shot it though, if possible"Haha, I think of old TR spent the money on an autoloader, I think he'd get the Five-seveN Do you find this valuable? |
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11. RE: Secondary Weapon Choices for Z-Day
Mar 19 2012, 11:38 AM EDT
In my eyes, a secondary is any extra longarm you may have (that shotgun you have slung, or whatnot). Handguns are a sidearm to me.But referring to the OP's definition of secondary. None ATM, but looking at a Llama (Pronounced Yama) 1911 in 9mm. Reasons are simple, the price is right. Do you find this valuable? |
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LJ126 |
12. RE: Secondary Weapon Choices for Z-Day
Mar 19 2012, 12:19 PM EDT
"I look at a $1200 Kimber and think, man, I could buy a good pump shotgun, a hunting rifle and accesories for both guns for that. I have looked at a few polymer offerings that are not over-priced and I like the quaility and value of Rock Island's 1911s."To double up, the Rock Island 1911's are pretty decent. Any I've handled were picky about the ammunition going into them - they want 230 grain ball. Plenty of stopping power from those though. Do you find this valuable? |
Sullivan714 |
13. RE: Secondary Weapon Choices for Z-Day
Mar 19 2012, 4:30 PM EDT
My secondary is a Glock 21. Recently I installed the clipdraw on the side of it. Don't get me wrong, I don't carry it concealed because I'm not a CCW owner. Nor would I risk carrying it that way because I don't want my rights as a gun owner taken away. However, if things were to go seriously bad and I had to get out fast, I would want to keep myself as low profile as possible. I hope to get night sights soon.
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SasquatchJim |
14. RE: Secondary Weapon Choices for Z-Day
Mar 19 2012, 8:20 PM EDT
My secondary weapons are a Springfield Armory Mil-Spec 1911 and a S&W 586 .357. Both are powerful, reliable, easy to get ammo for, and accurate, and I shoot both of them well enough.Although, I do admit that I'm considering carrying my Ruger Standard .22 auto as well, simply because it's easy to buy craploads of ammo. The main problem would be figuring out a good way to carry, and whether or not I should drop one of the other two. Do you find this valuable? |
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15. RE: Secondary Weapon Choices for Z-Day
Mar 19 2012, 8:33 PM EDT
"My secondary weapons are a Springfield Armory Mil-Spec 1911 and a S&W 586 .357. Both are powerful, reliable, easy to get ammo for, and accurate, and I shoot both of them well enough.Sig P229 .40 cal or my Taurus 1911. Do you find this valuable? |
ubersoldat |
16. RE: Secondary Weapon Choices for Z-Day
Mar 19 2012, 10:17 PM EDT
Assuming that the zombaclypse is upon us, I would carry something that would be versatile enough to be with me all the time, functional in combat and general survival roles, and easy to maintain. As a set of secondary considerations i would like it if this weapon shared a commonality with my primary in caliber, magazines, suppressors, and so on. so a combo of a carbine or smg with a pistol would be functional. my chief secondary for years of military carry, however, has been a SIg P220 .45 acp. it has been a part of my gear since 1994, has seen use in a number of conflicts, and has withstood conditions that would make any gun nut cringe. Do you find this valuable? |
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17. RE: Secondary Weapon Choices for Z-Day
Mar 20 2012, 7:34 PM EDT
i believe i would side with a trusty Colt Woodsman in .22 cal. i can easily carry it in combination with a primary firearm(Mini-14 target rifle with 30rd clips) and i can shoot it all day with only a large pcoket full of shells. Allowing me to bring More killing power on my hip than any large calibre handgun. The lack of knockdown power shouldnt be a bid deal for a secondary weapon as you will be within 20 yards if your using a pistol anyways. a .22 to the dome withing 20 yards will without a doubt put down a walker. my opinion, if your defending a staircase and down to your sidearm, its not going to matter if you have a .454 casull raging bull or if you have a .22 woodsman its going to come down to the amount of ammunition you have a SHOT PLACEMENT. When **** has most definatly already hit the fan and zombies are on their way, im grabbing the small, accurate, and deadly .22 woodsman to have on the draw. Do you find this valuable? |
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18. RE: Secondary Weapon Choices for Z-Day
Mar 20 2012, 7:48 PM EDT
I'd love to SBR a .22 Charger (Canadian, so shut it about tax stamps) or custom make a holster for one, ultimate short range (and low weight) firepower
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LeviEstock |
19. RE: Secondary Weapon Choices for Z-Day
Mar 20 2012, 8:36 PM EDT
To all that post about having and using .22 wepons and thosewho criticize this. The 22. is an unbelievable weapon. There is a reason it is one of the most dangerous calibers known to man. .22 rounds enter the body and "bounce" meaning they have enough power to penetrate the body and even thin bone, but after entering they lose that power, strike bones and change direction. They can come back out after a ricochet if your the one getting shot and your lucky. But more often than not they move around the body wreaking havoc. And a round to the skull? Forget a bout it! We are talking scrambled eggs people. I have seem multiple 22. GSWs come through the ER and they are almost always seriously life threatening, even when the GSW was in a limb. I have seen rounds strike femurs, travel up the bone, into the pelvis, onto the abdominal cavity. Don't take them lightly. I have a Henry .22 I plan to use for light recon with only Zeds anticipated along known routes and only complaint is that it only holds about 15 rounds. But what can I say, repeaters are sexy, haha. Bravo guys for standing with me against the social norm of bigger is always better. I salute you!
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