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ubersoldat |
how much is enough?
Mar 28 2012, 1:56 PM EDT
how much do you feel is required to properly stock you big in location?do you keep 1000 rounds per gun, 10000 rounds? or food, say for six people to eat two 900 calorie meals per day, for 180 days, one year? the average person will need upwards of a gallon of water per day, so say six people for 180 days is 1080 gallons of water, maybe even 1160 gallons for a year. what about extra clothing, shoes, med for months of constant use, hygene products, fuel for stoves, cars, generators, how about lubricants and cleaners? i sat down about four years ago to design and build what my wife calls my bunker, or our bug in location on the back of our property. it is modeled after a fifties era bomb shelter and is designewd to house 10 people for six months. it can handle twenty five people in a pinch for two months at full capacity. it is built into a hillside, well camouflaged, and complete with water, stores, garage, barracks, armory, shop, communications suite, entertainment center, infirmary, classroom, gym, and internal decon facilities. it is nice in a very utilitarian and ugly sort of way. the facilities are stocked, and we often recreate there as a family to familiarize ourselves. it cost me a fortune, 10 years of saving and research went into it. i could have bought my entire home, property, and all three calls again for what i invested in this place. i have a shelf of binders with basic plans for securing information, refugees, prisoners, supplies, carrying out tactical operations, and so on. the shear amount of items that are needed to equip such a facility is staggering to contemplate on any bughet unless you are just made of money. so i had think long and hard about what i will keep stored, how much of it i will store, and schedules to cycle my inventories to keep my stock of items up to date. it took two years to really complete the facility and finalize the plans. how much is ehough. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?
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=jesse= |
1. RE: how much is enough?
Mar 28 2012, 2:17 PM EDT
Wow...umm.. ..all that. All that is enough, lol..We have enough water and food for me, wife, and our dogs to last about a week and a half without rationing. Medicine is something we don't really stock, but we have an ok amount of pain killers, aspirin, allergy medicine, etc. We're not an infirmary though. I keep at least 1000 rds for my rifle. And minimum 250 for my shotguns, and another 250 for my pistol. Our plan was never to stay long term though. Only long enough to let chaos settle so that we can get to our spot in the mountains. From there it's hunting and boiling water. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Zee-Man |
2. RE: how much is enough?
Mar 28 2012, 2:42 PM EDT
Uber, well, you are uber. The answer can only be found in your hypothesis of what time period you might have to inhabit your shelter. That might be modified by how long you expect to be able to have a reliable food source. I hope that a 6 month period of isolation is all that is needed. Depending on when a Zpoc starts during the growing cycle, up to another 18 months may be needed before I have reliable agriculture. That period could be extended even further if I am spending time erecting fortification, scavenging for parts to make farming machinery, capturing livestock or working animals, etc. How much is enough? Between 1 and 1.5 years of food for your expected number of residents sounds adequate. I would want a reliable water source in/near the shelter. You need far more water than that needed to sustain life. Fuels and energy need to considered unless you plan to go fully manual. The budgetary concerns are only urgent if you perceive them to be. You have already conquered the greatest cost, the facility. From here out, stocking can be done over time. You might get caught with your pants down, the risk is real. Yet, if you feel the risk of outbreak/breakdown may be distant, then a more modest budget works. I have a tiny budget compared to what you have already invested. I can only live on the hope that my skills will make up for any lack in preparation. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Oakspar77777 |
3. RE: how much is enough?
Mar 28 2012, 5:28 PM EDT
Food and water: enough for the maximium number of people you plan for the amount of time it would take for a nuclear fallout to cool (seven weeks), a nuclear winter, followed by a real winter, and long enough into the next growing season for sufficiency (18 months), plus more for supplimenting bad yields or if it will take time to ramp up to full sufficiency.Ammo: More bullets than neighbors. Google the decibles of your loudest gun and how far that carries. Find out the population of that area. Have enough ammo for everyone in that area. If that is a little too antisocial for you, ask yourself how many animals you would shoot each day and how many shots that would take, on average, before you had enough that you would pass animals up. Multiply that by the days in your lifespan (or your children's if you have them and are advancing into middle life). 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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TreeLegs |
4. RE: how much is enough?
Mar 28 2012, 5:36 PM EDT
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I know they say you can never prepare enough, but sometimes enough is enough. You're pretty much done in my opinion. Maybe you should decorate the inside, add a periscope or a hot tub. No, I'm not joking lol. Good job by the way.EDIT: Deleted "e" Do you find this valuable? |
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RainofMails |
5. RE: how much is enough?
Mar 28 2012, 5:41 PM EDT
Your bunker seems great. Is there some reason you can't put in a well to ensure access to clean water indefinitely?
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ubersoldat |
6. RE: how much is enough?
Mar 29 2012, 9:52 AM EDT
"Your bunker seems great. Is there some reason you can't put in a well to ensure access to clean water indefinitely?"the facility is built into a the side of a mountain, into solid granite, it was actually ascavated by a company interested in the rock and later 'finished' out by an outfit out of canada that typically turns old mines, caves, and rock quarries into refined spaces for use as storage, tourism, research, and reclamation. it really isnt as qild as it sounds the bulk of the facility was made in a large rectangle where the stone was quarried from. to be honest, the cost of the workl versus the value of the stone allowed me to make several thousand dollars. it was a very lucky benefit. but because of the in the stone construction, to help with heating, protection from elements, fallout, and concealment, the facility inst in a good place to allow for a deep well. I can tap several natural fissure, aka caves, and near surface water also. i have two clandestine routes into the facility and a source of water that can provide several hundred gallons per day during the wet seasons. Do you find this valuable? |
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shadowmancer |
7. RE: how much is enough?
Mar 29 2012, 10:37 AM EDT
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I'd be weary of thermal shock in granite, prior to explosives and pnematic tools it was one of the methods used to slice granite en mass. Granite is sensitive to temperatures. If it's an old quarry the stone has been heat damaged, If say a nuclear exchange or any high heat source occurs near your location it may shatter into rubble. otherwise it sounds like a great location. Question this wouldn't happen to be on the shield would it? Do you find this valuable? |
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LWJ2009 |
8. RE: how much is enough?
Mar 29 2012, 11:05 AM EDT
Your never going to have enough, because your always going to be finding ways to improve your bol and the stockpile you have.
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vampirejediknight |
9. RE: how much is enough?
Mar 29 2012, 3:14 PM EDT
I don't have a huge stockpile right now, but I could easily, as my gun is a .22. I got a box 425 rounds of hollowpoints from Winchester for $14 a few months ago, and shot about half of that at the range, but I could easily stockpile a about a thousand rounds for just under $30.00 at approximately that price. It depends on the gun. Stockpiling massive amounts for shotguns and .45's is expensive, and you'll never be able to carry it all if you have to move quickly, best to buy a couples boxes at a time and reload. Nine millimeter is easy to stockpile, and 5.56 is about the cheapest assault rifle round you'll get. .38 special is pretty low cost, so you could stockpile that and some .357 magnum (a little priceier) together if you have a .357 (can use .38special as well). How much you stockpile is about your plan, your guns, and your budget. As far as you (ubersoldat), you seem good to go on plan, mostly. Expand your stockpile on a careful budget, and don't feel the need to buy much ammunition at a time. Good luck. Do you find this valuable? |
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vampirejediknight |
10. RE: how much is enough?
Mar 29 2012, 3:16 PM EDT
As for food, I'm not sure. I'm working on my non-perishables budget now. Basically, just stock what you can afford and don't be afraid to cheap out. Some kinds of animal food have adequate nutrients.
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brandon_a_boyer |
11. RE: how much is enough?
Mar 29 2012, 3:22 PM EDT
It honestly depends. Think about it this way. Ancient people survived with little more than sticks. In some parts of the world, people still survive on only what nature provides.You are better prepared than 99% of the population. Personally I would work towards getting literature on frontier living. Knowledge will quickly become a valuable tool. A really good one is called "Back to Basics: A complete guide to traditional skills" Lehman's Non-electric has other good ones too. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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JunkCollector |
12. RE: how much is enough?
Mar 29 2012, 5:21 PM EDT
I have enough food, water, medicines, and other supplies for me, my girlfriend, and her daughter to last about 3 months with little to no rationing. As for ammunition, I have a lot almost 1000 rounds per gun except my 20 gauge single shot. I also keep 120 gallons of gas on hand, rain barrels to collect extra water, and enough food to feed my cat (who is laying next to my computer with his paw on my left hand while I type), for 4 months with limiting him to so much a day. Do you find this valuable? |
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PedroAsani |
13. RE: how much is enough?
Mar 29 2012, 6:05 PM EDT
"the facility is built into a the side of a mountain, into solid granite, it was actually ascavated by a company interested in the rock and later 'finished' out by an outfit out of canada that typically turns old mines, caves, and rock quarries into refined spaces for use as storage, tourism, research, and reclamation. it really isnt as qild as it sounds the bulk of the facility was made in a large rectangle where the stone was quarried from. to be honest, the cost of the workl versus the value of the stone allowed me to make several thousand dollars. it was a very lucky benefit.Water seems to be the largest, if only, drawback, and even that is covered to some extent. What kind of rock is the water filtered through? Karst formations don't really filter it, so I would be wary of water from that, particularly if you are preparing for biological disasters. Stockpiles are great, particularly in a bunker for nuclear disasters. What tools and seeds do you have for a sustainable life once you leave the bunker? I would love to see this written up on a page. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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timberrattler |
14. RE: how much is enough?
Mar 29 2012, 6:15 PM EDT
Agreed. This guy needs to make a page.Awesome BOL BTW. Way beyond my prepping supplies. I build a little each month as money allows. When you're married with children its hard to justify spending tons of your income on JIC supplies. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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=jesse= |
15. RE: how much is enough?
Mar 29 2012, 6:25 PM EDT
Bunkers embedded in mountains or underground worry me to a certain extent.They certainly have their value, but I would need at least 3 exits (assuming I ever had the cash to put towards one). I feel like it would be something completely random like a car that parks on top of the door to a bunker, or a rock slide that seals off the entrance to a mountain side. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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shadowmancer |
16. RE: how much is enough?
Mar 30 2012, 12:08 AM EDT
What type of ventilation system do you use.
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nissassa |
17. RE: how much is enough?
Mar 30 2012, 1:11 AM EDT
"how much do you feel is required to properly stock you big in location?nice... Do you find this valuable? |
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ubersoldat |
18. RE: how much is enough?
Mar 30 2012, 1:13 AM EDT
"I'd be weary of thermal shoch in granite, prior to explosives and pnematic tools it was one of the methods used to slice granite en mass. Granite is sensitive to temperatures. If it's an old quarry the stone has been heat damaged, If say a nuclear exchange or any high heat source occurs near your location it may shatter into rubble.the facility is lacated in a slight depression at the base of sixty foot rock face. the land had originally been owned by a small local operation that had intended to actually quarry the site until it went under and my grandad acquired the land in the sixties. as far as the survey went the rockface is part of a single flow of granite some five hundred feet long, almost entirely underground, with tetrahedrial shape encompassing some 34000 cubic yards. my facility is located in the only exposed region of the flow and is less than fifty feet from what would be the top of the rock. the recess to the front of the facility is twenty one feet, 7 yards, before you hit the first series of gurders. Do you find this valuable? |
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ubersoldat |
19. RE: how much is enough?
Mar 30 2012, 1:25 AM EDT
"Water seems to be the largest, if only, drawback, and even that is covered to some extent.i have a tank farn internally witch houses water, fuel, lubricants. the water supply is circulated and houses around 3000 gallons. it was filled from the external mountian water and put through a filtration system bought from the town trenton, ga after they replaced the system for somethign more modern to handle their increasing need for water purification. i actually only bouth the two smallest systems they had. both systems were built in the 50's and have civil defense ratings for handling NBC threats of the era. They heavy duty carbon-charcoal systems. they where refurbished in 2000 and should be sustainable until 2030 or so. the outside water is used to feed the internal system only, there is no capacity inside to access the external water supply without going through the filter system. Do you find this valuable? |