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shadowmancer |
20. RE: I have faith in the US army
Apr 1 2012, 5:19 AM EDT
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That is true, but it assumes that the military will have advance knowledge to contain it. The transport issue would probably spread it beyond the confines of one Nation State before the epidemic was noticed. Look at the SARS outbreak (lol caps are because your supposed to capitalize it lol) they tried to isolate it in Asia and it ended up in North America. It wasn't a serious virus but serious attempts to isolated it occured. Any military action to stop the spread would rely on it being at ground zero near to patient zero near to hour zero.(first infected area, first person to catch disease, first hour of pandemic). If the virus is airbourn or mutates into an airbourn strain then the military can do nothing, they fire they areosol the blood transmitting the long range. If the virus is not airbourn the aresoled blood will transmit the disease short ranged. Viruses can live several weeks on surfaces, as until they infect a cell they are not technically alive. Do you find this valuable? |
ubersoldat |
21. RE: I have faith in the US army
Apr 1 2012, 6:49 PM EDT
"the zombie outbreak wouldn't get that out of hand, would it? I mean the military is pretty trained in killing stuff that moves alot faster then zombies... or are they?"army recruits typically are able to hit a torso target, an e-silhoette, at 300 meters 1 shot in 20. well versed recruits with prior life training in marksmanship tend to hit 3 in 20. considering that there are only going to 4 or 5 shots to be attempted on targets at 300 meters depending on the particular target spread that is pretty good. the marine corpse is a little more intensive in rifle training for recruits than the army, while the navy and air force a less intensive. so, after a bit of continued training and a the incentive of not having a zombie eat you, i would say that the average soldier would be able to use his m4/m16 against the undead making reliable headshots out to 50 meters, in some cases out to 100 meters, using iron sights or battle optics commonly used today. as far as for how well the military would contain and neutralize a zombie incursion would depend on a lot of factors. the main one being the human factor, soldiers have families. family connections make people do unpredictable things. Do you find this valuable? |
HunterForestGreen |
22. RE: I have faith in the US army
May 11 2012, 7:09 AM EDT
I was in OSUT. They taught us 2 in the chest, 1 in the head. Dunno if that helps or not. Just wanted to put it out there.
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bluesy04 |
23. RE: I have faith in the US army
May 12 2012, 8:56 PM EDT
At least at first, the biggest problem a military would have would be contact with the blood and brain splatter of the infected. Most soldiers aren't just chillaxing in the barracks with bio hazard gear at the ready. But after initial confusion, I'm sure gear would be dispensed and most soldiers would realize blood = bad. Do you find this valuable? |
TreeLegs |
24. RE: I have faith in the US army
May 15 2012, 2:01 AM EDT
"At least at first, the biggest problem a military would have would be contact with the blood and brain splatter of the infected. Most soldiers aren't just chillaxing in the barracks with bio hazard gear at the ready.Most units are issued MOPP suits w/ gas masks that would keep out most NBC nightmares so I'm not worried about them being protected as much as the accuracy lost trying to shoot a shoulder fired weapon with the mask on. I know iron sights are pretty much usless with one on. Never fired a weapon with a sighting system mounted while in MOPP 4 so I couldn't say how bad it would be. Do you find this valuable? |
11ACRBlackhorse |
25. RE: I have faith in the US army
May 15 2012, 10:12 AM EDT
This mentioned at length on another thread "Miltary vs Zombies" .Treelegs and others have covered it well enough. After a few torso shots produce zero results head shots will be SOP. It was in the late 80s and Im told the same now. Body armor isn't unknown or trained for in the military. So NCOs and officers will correct any soldiers a little slow on the uptake. Now spltter as stated NBC MOPP 4 gear will be SOP once its even thought of as a contagion of any form. And once blood splatter is a known vector full rain suits taped with masks will be the SOP if biohazard suits arent available. The NBC teams trained for these scenarios but without zeds. Not saying it will be easy but they wont be caught completely flat footed either. Getting the political elites to let them do what needs done is the weak link in this whole scenario 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
Carnack |
26. RE: I have faith in the US army
May 15 2012, 3:43 PM EDT
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Gonna deviate a bit. If it happens like in the movies the military would probably have it covered. However movies are movies. Now if I wanted to end the world with a zombie plague the first order would be designing the disease to do it. Now assuming I have said ability the list of traits would be. High infection rate. Long carrier phase. Able to be transmitted through fluids including sexual ones and sweat if possible. Have a near 100% mortality rate. Can be dispersed via water and aerosol. Very rapid decline after carrier phase with little to no warning before death. Is not able to be removed with water treatment. Is not effected by alchohol. So with the disease made how to disperse it. Start at cop shops and bars where military forces hang out and politicians if possible. Either the aerosol dispersal method or barring that infecting women and letting nature do the rest. You don't deprive the other guy of fighting ability by removing his foot. You take off the head. So Politicians, military, and local peacekeepers in that order. After that go after water treatment plants and infect outgoing water supply. Then colleges and bars near them. Colleges are rife with sexual activity. Popular spring break locales are perfect for this as one can infect multiple states and cities with one go. I have no doubt that in a head on fight the military could handle it barring some unforseen issues. But the only way a "zombie" virus would occur is through design (even then it's a big maybe) and if the wrong person did it then it would unfold much differently if they are competant. The question isn't wether the military can handle a head on fight but rather can they handle an infection like the one detailed above? Do you find this valuable? |
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TreeLegs |
27. RE: I have faith in the US army
May 17 2012, 12:59 AM EDT
"The question isn't wether the military can handle a head on fight but rather can they handle an infection like the one detailed above?"If that was the case, everything would be pretty F'd over, but it is a bit too far into the "what if's?" that we're already in. To create something near that level would take too much time, money, brains and a will to want to destroy the world at any cost. Plus, I couldn't see some country trying to make that, that would be able to avoid detection from any government anyway. I can't even by drugs at the drug store without an ID or other "harmful" products with being flagged or watched. After you start to gather the all stars of the virologist, biologist and genetics world together in some dark and gloomy lair, I'm sure someone will figure it out. Still it could, however slim, happen I guess. You have to remember that the military has protocols if they can't get in touch with Washington. Killing the political leaders would really just upset military operations outside the country. On the inside, each post general becomes something of a standing president if you will, until communication can be restored with Washington. They become the rule of law and are able to use whatever assets they have willingly to solve whatever issue is going on. Where I was stationed, it was called something like "post security lvl 4" or something. The post becomes as fortified as if it was in another country, but is allowed to assist civilians as long as it doesn't pose a threat to the overall control over the post. It's pretty much the ultimate exercise in the chain of command. Do you find this valuable? |
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11ACRBlackhorse |
28. RE: I have faith in the US army
May 17 2012, 7:56 AM EDT
By it's nature a high infection rat with a super high mortality rate is a fast virus/bug. By it's nature of the two critical factors is why these things don't spread far. They wind up killing the host to fast for it to sustain it's survival spread. So a long infectious stage is almost impossible, by it's nature.And to add a reanimation factor is building a whole new set of parameters it can't do. It can't be fast and deadly but then live forever to take over a corpse. Sorry this is a contradiction. Plus why even bother with both. One or the other would be almost a doomsday event. Now why the sex part. It's a worthless point. If it's contagious like the flu or worse. The victim will be infected from just touching or even kissing long before the clothes came off Let alone getting it on. Just another wasted design parameter not needed. And obviously you didn't know not even half of most military personnel leave a post to party let alone visit the local ***** house. You would be surprised at how many barracks rats there really are. Then the ones that stay at their GFs or go home to the family. How you gonna get away with driving/walking by with a sprayer spraying people around sensitive/secure locations. Water treatment/supply plants are watched closely. Ever hear of 911 and Homeland Security. You could do it but it isn't as easy as you portray it above. But if your scenario is the real deal. Then why we even discussing guns and or anything but family sized bunkers with supplies for 30+yrs. Blast doors, sanitation, power generation, fuel storage, ect, ect. Because that scenario is (even if it could ever be done) is the end of mankind, period. And sitting here debating survival is a moot point. Do you find this valuable? |
