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wkwkwkwk1	Laser pointers doubt Apr 2 2012, 7:25 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 2 2012, 7:25 AM EDT Can anyone explain me what are the problems of using laser pointers? By the way, why are green lasers better than red ones? Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you? Keyword tags: defense games living dead plan readiness survival Undead zombie zombies
RainofMails	1. RE: Laser pointers doubt Apr 2 2012, 7:28 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 2 2012, 7:28 AM EDT the red lasers are the ones they give to stormtroopers, they're not very accurate. Post reply 6 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
ubersoldat	2. RE: Laser pointers doubt Apr 2 2012, 8:02 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 2 2012, 8:02 AM EDT laser pointers can be very difficult to zero if they are not well mounted and/or properly stabilized. cheap one, well even good one can lose calibration internally and project the beam off mark with hard use. the beams can be very hard to see at times, especially at range. old school green berets and delta operators use to use a green laser mounted over a 6x telescopic sight (scope) on top of mp5sd3's so that they oculd reliably 'spot the dot' beyound 10 meters. lasers can disperse due to atmospheric moisture and dust over distance making them hard to spot or creating a light show effect that is indistinct in aiming and shows the direction to your position. the percision that can be gained through use of a laser sight is awsome if it is properly sighted to a given range and you understand thedifference in the point of impact versus the point of the sighting dot in relation to range. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
wkwkwkwk1	3. RE: Laser pointers doubt Apr 2 2012, 8:22 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 2 2012, 8:22 AM EDT "the red lasers are the ones they give to stormtroopers, they're not very accurate." wait, aren't lasers supposed to be accurate?!?!? sorry for the ignorance Post reply Do you find this valuable?
wkwkwkwk1	4. RE: Laser pointers doubt Apr 2 2012, 8:23 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 2 2012, 8:23 AM EDT " the precision that can be gained through use of a laser sight is awesome if it is properly sighted to a given range and you understand the difference in the point of impact versus the point of the sighting dot in relation to range." so, translated into english, that means you need to understand the bullet trajectory, like you need to point to the head to hit the neck or so? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
RainofMails	5. RE: Laser pointers doubt Apr 2 2012, 8:34 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 2 2012, 8:34 AM EDT "wait, aren't lasers supposed to be accurate?!?!? sorry for the ignorance" Have you never seen star wars? It's a star wars joke. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
ubersoldat	6. RE: Laser pointers doubt Apr 2 2012, 8:57 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 2 2012, 8:57 AM EDT "so, translated into english, that means you need to understand the bullet trajectory, like you need to point to the head to hit the neck or so?" sorry, i'm in online contract negotiation over my next job overseas and i am bored, but in a hurry. my bad. yes, when you set the laser sight to have a dead on point of impact a specific range it is important to understand the difference in rise or drop of a bullet's trajectory in relation to the actual point the laser is at on the target. it's just like hold over/hold under for normal sighting zeros. so a laser set at 200 meters will designate a point above the actual impact of the bullet at 400 meters becasue the bullet drop will be beyond the point of impact for that zero., i hope that helped. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
wkwkwkwk1	7. RE: Laser pointers doubt Apr 2 2012, 9:18 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 2 2012, 9:18 AM EDT "Have you never seen star wars? It's a star wars joke." nope XD I never saw star wars (I'd like to) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
wkwkwkwk1	8. RE: Laser pointers doubt Apr 2 2012, 9:20 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 2 2012, 9:20 AM EDT "sorry, i'm in online contract negotiation over my next job overseas and i am bored, but in a hurry. my bad. yes, when you set the laser sight to have a dead on point of impact a specific range it is important to understand the difference in rise or drop of a bullet's trajectory in relation to the actual point the laser is at on the target. it's just like hold over/hold under for normal sighting zeros. so a laser set at 200 meters will designate a point above the actual impact of the bullet at 400 meters becasue the bullet drop will be beyond the point of impact for that zero., i hope that helped." I see. would it be useful when fighting zeds close with a handgun? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
RainofMails	9. RE: Laser pointers doubt Apr 2 2012, 9:22 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 2 2012, 9:22 AM EDT "I see. would it be useful when fighting zeds close with a handgun?" If you want to use your laser close, just calibrate it for close ranges. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
ubersoldat	10. RE: Laser pointers doubt Apr 2 2012, 9:47 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 2 2012, 9:47 AM EDT "If you want to use your laser close, just calibrate it for close ranges." and shoot it often, but bright sunlihgt, light colored clothing , relffective clothing, dust, smoke, drizzle/rain, and distance make it hard to see the impact point, the dot, with the neaked eye. most common use is at night with nvg's so it is easy to see your beam from other people's and see where you are aiming. newer laser sights have a number of preset pulse patterns so you can identify your beam among several i use at once. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
wkwkwkwk1	11. RE: Laser pointers doubt Apr 2 2012, 10:03 AM EDT "newer laser sights have a number of preset pulse patterns so you can identify your beam among several i use at once." wow! how so? "Preset pulse patterns"?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
brandon_a_boyer	12. RE: Laser pointers doubt Apr 2 2012, 10:17 AM EDT Green lasers typically carry further than red ones because of their higher wavelength. Personally I would suggest simply using good shooting technique. Admittedly they would help with rapid target acquisition, but I'd be concerned that it would start to be like a crutch more than a tool. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
=jesse=	13. RE: Laser pointers doubt Apr 2 2012, 10:19 AM EDT My tid bit of science here...I remember back in college our professor was explaining that green is easier to see because it's closer to the center of the rgb color spectrum. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
ubersoldat	14. RE: Laser pointers doubt Apr 2 2012, 11:50 AM EDT "wow! how so? "Preset pulse patterns"?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?" when several users are working in the same general location with laser sighted weapons it is possible to get someone elses beam that is in close proximity to yours mixed up, so you see a target that you want to shoot at but believe someone else's beam also on the target is yours when yours is actually pointing in different line of fire, maybe even off the target. haviung the beams pulson on and off at different intervals allows you to more readily identify your beam and know where you are pointing your weapon. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
TreeLegs	15. RE: Laser pointers doubt Apr 2 2012, 2:15 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 2 2012, 2:15 PM EDT A laser sight wouldn't be a terrible thing to have if you would like to shoot from cover or around corners. Don't expect it to be totally reliable in bright sunlight or other conditions that would naturally interfere with sight. You will have to compensate for the natural rise and fall of the round and windage. You can buy a flashlight/laser combo from a couple of different manufacturers. Remember that they run on batteries and if there are particles in the air like dust, your beam is going to give away your position. Could be used as an intemidation tactic but be ready when someone calls your bluff. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
timberrattler	16. RE: Laser pointers doubt Apr 2 2012, 4:47 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 2 2012, 4:47 PM EDT "A laser sight wouldn't be a terrible thing to have if you would like to shoot from cover or around corners. Don't expect it to be totally reliable in bright sunlight or other conditions that would naturally interfere with sight. You will have to compensate for the natural rise and fall of the round and windage. You can buy a flashlight/laser combo from a couple of different manufacturers. Remember that they run on batteries and if there are particles in the air like dust, your beam is going to give away your position. Could be used as an intemidation tactic but be ready when someone calls your bluff. " I found them to be a big help in the more recent Resident Evil games. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Oakspar77777	17. RE: Laser pointers doubt Apr 2 2012, 9:11 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 2 2012, 9:11 PM EDT For range, you are better with a good scope and practice. I have found them very valuable with handgun training. At handgun range and speed, you don't have to worry about rise, drop, or dispersion of the beam under most conditions. They do help you aim quickly while looking at the target only and aiming instinctually rather than using the sights - which is how you want to shoot a handgun. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
TreeLegs	18. RE: Laser pointers doubt Apr 2 2012, 9:40 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 2 2012, 9:40 PM EDT "For range, you are better with a good scope and practice. I have found them very valuable with handgun training. At handgun range and speed, you don't have to worry about rise, drop, or dispersion of the beam under most conditions. They do help you aim quickly while looking at the target only and aiming instinctually rather than using the sights - which is how you want to shoot a handgun. " Depends on what you consider "handgun distance". Skill, barrel length, velocity and weight of the round have to be accounted for. With the laser I owned, I set it for about 10-15 yards after the bullet started to drop from my .45. Everything else was pretty much a guaranteed hit. This caused the point of aim for my laser tstrapless below the rounds closer up, but was easy to accomedate for. At that range, light dispersal could be a problem. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
ubersoldat	19. RE: Laser pointers doubt Apr 3 2012, 1:21 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 3 2012, 1:21 AM EDT just practice with iron sights, a lot. iron sights are just simply hard to beat under most circumstances. even using low light inserts. I can load an 8 round mag and 1 in the chamber of my p220 and put 3 center mass shots into three targets at 10 yards in a hair over 1.6 seconds. it's a great party trick when teaching pistol courses too. nothing will ever replace training the basics. that is what will make using anything to augment your firearm effective. a laser sight will not make you shoot better, faster, or farther. it will give you a capability to sight in targets under less common circumstances and will help you to pinpoint specific targets understress. but, if you aren't to good to begin with its just a gizmo. Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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